Cornerbacks Of 2010

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Will Rolle be back? What will Webb do? Fabian Washinton's production? Draft? Trade? Frank Walker cut? Hope with all my heart he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[3-4ravdef509]

Rolle's done in my opinion. Even if he's healthy he won't be in shape come 2010. Plus he's getting up there in age.
Webb's rehab is supposedly going well so hopefully he's back in 2010. He'll no doubt have a transition period before he'll be performing at a high level. Fabian washington shows potential if he stays healthy. He started progressing before being injured. I don't see us trading for anyone, because all the good backs out there will be too pricey, Leigh Bodden for example. Other good corners out there like DeShea Townsend of the steelers are getting up in there in age, so while they're affordable, they're more risky.
Drafting for a cornerback is controversial, because many think we should focus on drafting a good wideout or TE early in the draft. Perhaps they'll be some late talent to pick from though.
I say keep Webb and try to let Washington prove himself. Foxworth honestly, I don't see much potential there, and even less in Carr. Carr can tackle but can't cover, where as Foxworth can cover somewhat but misses too many tackles and gets called fo PI too much.

[3-4ravdef509]

And what's wrong with Walker? He played well and was also a good returner in place for webb. I thought he played well given the circumstances.

[bgusc]

Don't let his good game against New England fool you. Frank Walker was woeful all year,remember the Minnesota game?

[3-4ravdef509]

Yes, but he still performed overall more adequately than Carr and Foxworth. minnesota was a bad day for our defense in general. Flacco threw for almost 400 yards and we still lost. That says it all. Our defense couldn't hold Favre. It wasn't all Walker.
Not saying that Walker should be starting for us: but I can''t say he cost us as much as Carr and Foxworth.

[ed.s52]

Foxworth didn't do too bad, but he is a young guy with potential. Very athletic and can cover but needs to work on tackling. Webb will be better but will probably not start the 1st couple games. Fabian has potential and is SOOOO fast. Good but needs improvement. I say we don't draft a CB because I don't think any are good besides Perrish Cox but he will be picked to early. Haden will bust, he will become a dependable starter, but certainly not reach top 10 potential.

[Bltravens]

Foxworth is fine and played really well the last 8 weeks of the season, hes not close to a shutdown corner but hes also not a guy you have to worry about getting torched routinely. Washington's potential has pretty much been tapped already, could be a solid nickel, but he played absolutely atrocious this year before blowing out his ACL. Carr is also a solid nickel,and played really well at nickel the last 8 weeks like Foxworth did. Walker for whatever reason is strictly a playoff player, which is what a coach wants, but hes so bad in the regular season it almost warrants his release whatever Ozzie does with him I cant complain either way. Webb is our guy of the future, depending on how his knee rehab goes, before the injury he was our play making corner of the future. Either way we need to address the corner position in the first 3 rounds again this year.

[charchboii]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='07 February 2010 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1265574355' post='356551']
Foxworth didn't do too bad, but he is a young guy with potential. Very athletic and can cover but needs to work on tackling. Webb will be better but will probably not start the 1st couple games. Fabian has potential and is SOOOO fast. Good but needs improvement. I say we don't draft a CB because I don't think any are good besides Perrish Cox but he will be picked to early. Haden will bust, he will become a dependable starter, but certainly not reach top 10 potential.
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the cornerback class is stronger than u think. personally i love perrish cox, but i also like warren, ghee, wilson, franks, McCourty, and robinson

[POE]

I agree with you charboii, this years corner back position has a lot of upside in the earlier rounds, as far as cover corners go, and I think it would be a mistake for our staff to not grab one of those guys early on in the draft. WR is a huge need but there is no reason to reach for one that doesn't have the talent to be a first round draft pick when there is other needs such as CB and DE/OLB(pass-rusher).

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='07 February 2010 - 11:07 AM' timestamp='1265558856' post='356444']
And what's wrong with Walker? He played well and was also a good returner in place for webb. I thought he played well given the circumstances.
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Walker played well in the play-offs but he never returned a punt or kick for the Ravens this year.

People have already broken the CB situation down pretty well. I'd rather see the team let Washington go and draft two CBs. As Webb and others across the league proved this year, rookie CBs can step in and contribute. This year's class is has quality depth so the Ravens should be fine.

[3-4ravdef509]

I got Parmele confused with Walker... whoops

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='07 February 2010 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1265598171' post='356982']
I got Parmele confused with Walker... whoops
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I understand. Parmele was a monster returning kicks this year.

[3-4ravdef509]

Indeed.
But confusing a rb with a cb...lol. oh well.
idk. Walker isn't amazing but I don't think he's quite that horrible. When we get pressure like we did against the Pats then it makes any cb look better than he is.

[ed.s52]

Cornerbacks aren't bad, but I think next year will be much stronger for the CB class

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='07 February 2010 - 10:10 PM' timestamp='1265598614' post='356998']
Cornerbacks aren't bad, but I think next year will be much stronger for the CB class
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You mean the 2011 class?

[3-4ravdef509]

Perhaps. But i don't think we wanna wait till 2011 to fix the problems in our defense.
Problems being we had corners missing key tackles (Foxworth) and playing too far off recievers (Carr). And lets not forget all the PIs...while they got better later in the year, they resulted because Foxworth was being beat, and beat bad. Washington I think is your best choice overall of the guys we got...but I'm all for letting him go to look for better talent. I simply like that he has speed and tackles well. Now with his acl blown...he might not tackle so well come next year so idk. Best out of the 5 though (excluding Webb).
I don't know much about the cbs in the draft class...but I already mentioned how trading for one and Free agents at cb are either too pricey, or too old. So draft seems to best option.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='07 February 2010 - 10:31 PM' timestamp='1265599883' post='357031']
Perhaps. But i don't think we wanna wait till 2011 to fix the problems in our defense.
Problems being we had corners missing key tackles (Foxworth) and playing too far off recievers (Carr). And lets not forget all the PIs...while they got better later in the year, they resulted because Foxworth was being beat, and beat bad. Washington I think is your best choice overall of the guys we got...but I'm all for letting him go to look for better talent. I simply like that he has speed and tackles well. Now with his acl blown...he might not tackle so well come next year so idk. Best out of the 5 though (excluding Webb).
I don't know much about the cbs in the draft class...but I already mentioned how trading for one and Free agents at cb are either too pricey, or too old. So draft seems to best option.
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To defend the corners, playing off is usually a coaching decision. I think the only teams that allow their DBs to play the style of coverage they want are Oakland and the Jets.

I really disagree with you about Fabian. He was a terrible tackler last year and while he did get better this year, he was still average.

Still, the CB position needs to be addressed and this year's CB class is strong and I could see the Ravens drafting two of them if the right ones are on the board.

[3-4ravdef509]

average was still better than everyone else. except carr. He could tackle, but he played recievers wayy too far off. I mean, if that was coaching, it was very ba coaching. He was probably7 or 8 yards off Hines ward during the steelers game, and ward just kept slanting to the middle, and carr was too far back to do anything each time.
fabian can tackle, but he often last year tried just doing a quick big hit instead of wrapping up. When he did wrap up this year though, he didn't look too terrible. More pressure up front would make things easier for him too. But, we can aggree to disagree. like I said, there's plenty better, and I'm for bringing them in. So hopefully you're right about the draft, and we find some good ones on the board late.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='07 February 2010 - 10:54 PM' timestamp='1265601262' post='357062']
average was still better than everyone else. except carr. He could tackle, but he played recievers wayy too far off. I mean, if that was coaching, it was very ba coaching. He was probably7 or 8 yards off Hines ward during the steelers game, and ward just kept slanting to the middle, and carr was too far back to do anything each time.
fabian can tackle, but he often last year tried just doing a quick big hit instead of wrapping up. When he did wrap up this year though, he didn't look too terrible. More pressure up front would make things easier for him too. But, we can aggree to disagree. like I said, there's plenty better, and I'm for bringing them in. [b]So hopefully you're right about the draft, and we find some good ones on the board late.[/b]
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Yep. I've gone back and forth as to whether I want Fabian back but if he's brought back, it'd give the team another veteran in the secondary and the rookie CB(s) and Webb's eventual return will challenge him to play good football too.

[3-4ravdef509]

I'm excited about Webb. The guy shows real promise if he comes out of rehab alright. He's got speed, focus, and the skillset of a shutdown corner.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='07 February 2010 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1265601749' post='357075']
[b]I'm excited about Webb.[/b] The guy shows real promise if he comes out of rehab alright. He's got speed, focus, and the skillset of a shutdown corner.
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I agree. I just love the way he plays. I've never seen a CB so aggressive in run support and he's very good in coverage too. He's one of the many players on this team I'm looking forward to watching in the coming years.

[3-4ravdef509]

That's the amazing part: he does both. And he tackles like a Raven. I cried inside when he tore his ACL during that bears game...I understand rookie have to play...but we were wel up by that point. and it was on special teams.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='07 February 2010 - 11:23 PM' timestamp='1265603007' post='357098']
That's the amazing part: he does both. And he tackles like a Raven. I cried inside when he tore his ACL during that bears game...I understand rookie have to play...but we were wel up by that point. and it was on special teams.
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Yep. I understood why he was playing too but it was tough to watch him go down at the time and situation he did. However, the good players use adversity to become great and I think Webb will do the same.

[3-4ravdef509]

He's tough enough, I just hope rehab goes well with him.

[Ngata92NT]

If Webb can come back, return to form and continue progressing he will be a superstar. He has absolutely blazing speed, he's a solid tackler, aggressive in run support and good in coverage. He even has a sack. I love what he could become for us. If we can continue finding gems like him in the later rounds, who knows how great this team can become.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='07 February 2010 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1265604488' post='357112']
If Webb can come back, return to form and continue progressing he will be a superstar. He has absolutely blazing speed, he's a solid tackler, aggressive in run support and good in coverage. He even has a sack. I love what he could become for us. [b]If we can continue finding gems like him in the later rounds, who knows how great this team can become.[/b]
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I agree. Specifically talking CBs, if Ozzie & Co. could find a talent like Webb in last year's weak class, imagine who he might draft in this year's loaded pool.

[63bru]

I love Webb too. He's a great young player, and hopefully the injury doesn't affect his psyche at all. I don't mind Foxworth either; I think he's a solid number 2 corner at worst. After that, though, I think we're really weak. Carr improved as the season went on, but he should definitely not be a nickel corner. This is a passing league now, and having three very good corners is a must. Carr could be a decent dime back, but even then, I'd look for an upgrade. As for Walker, I guess I'm one of those fan boys who says he should be gone. I don't understand how you could justify retaining him. He didn't even play that much and he still was one of the league leaders in pass interference penalties. Ideally, we draft a solid nickel corner in the 2nd or 3rd round this year, and, if Webb will be on the PUP list, then we sign one who can start in a pinch too. I really don't want to have to see Carr or Walker starting again.

[ed.s52]

I would personally rather find a gem WR like Alric Arnett. For corners the only one I like is Perrish Cox and Javier Arenes. The rest I don't really like.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='63bru' date='08 February 2010 - 12:06 AM' timestamp='1265605606' post='357117']
I love Webb too. He's a great young player, and hopefully the injury doesn't affect his psyche at all. [b] I don't mind Foxworth either; I think he's a solid number 2 corner at worst.[/b] After that, though, I think we're really weak. Carr improved as the season went on, but he should definitely not be a nickel corner. This is a passing league now, and having three very good corners is a must. Carr could be a decent dime back, but even then, I'd look for an upgrade. As for Walker, I guess I'm one of those fan boys who says he should be gone. I don't understand how you could justify retaining him. He didn't even play that much and he still was one of the league leaders in pass interference penalties. Ideally, we draft a solid nickel corner in the 2nd or 3rd round this year, and, if Webb will be on the PUP list, then we sign one who can start in a pinch too. I really don't want to have to see Carr or Walker starting again.
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Foxworth can't cover fast recievers who run deep. We saw that at San Diego, Minnesota, Green Bay, and Pittsburg. He doesn't get routinely burned in general terms, but for every deep route I've seen run against Foxworth, I've only seen one play that he defended well, and that was because it was thrown short (I believe that was at Pittsburg.) it's a passing league and you need corners who can play pass better.
As for draft picks...if Patrick Robinson is by some miracle on the board second round I say take him. Good speed, and very good cover skills. His only flaw in inconsistent tackling, but when he takes the time to wrap up he's usually a fine tackle. He'll have to work on reading rbs though.
i don't thing Kyle Wilson is a good choice. Too many attitude problems and i don't think he'll make the adjustment to defending nfl caliber recievers well. a good late roounder may be Jerome Murphy from USF. My biggest concern wth him are the mental mistakes he makes, but he's shown explosiveness and skill. Playing as a Raven, he might overcome those.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 08:33 AM' timestamp='1265636013' post='357197']
Foxworth can't cover fast recievers who run deep. We saw that at San Diego, Minnesota, Green Bay, and Pittsburg. He doesn't get routinely burned in general terms, but for every deep route I've seen run against Foxworth, I've only seen one play that he defended well, and that was because it was thrown short (I believe that was at Pittsburg.) it's a passing league and you need corners who can play pass better.
As for draft picks...if Patrick Robinson is by some miracle on the board second round I say take him. Good speed, and very good cover skills. His only flaw in inconsistent tackling, but when he takes the time to wrap up he's usually a fine tackle. He'll have to work on reading rbs though.
i don't thing Kyle Wilson is a good choice. Too many attitude problems and i don't think he'll make the adjustment to defending nfl caliber recievers well. a good late roounder may be Jerome Murphy from USF. My biggest concern wth him are the mental mistakes he makes, but he's shown explosiveness and skill. Playing as a Raven, he might overcome those.
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Foxworth gave up 8 yards against Minn. and 37 against GB. He basically shut out Randy Moss for two games, except for one play when he slipped. Dwayne Bowe was unable to get on top of him. B-Marsh was non-existent. So I think that he is fine against deep threat receivers, at least compared to other CBs. He is not the best in the league, but he is not a huge problem either. That said, I'd like Robinson if he drops to us in the second, too.