To The People Doubting The Big Name WR

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2010/02/Ravens_Willing_to_Take_Risks.aspx"]LINKKKKK[/url]
"I would say that, maybe of the four of us, I'm probably the biggest risk taker," Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti said while sitting beside President Dick Cass, General Manager Ozzie Newsome and Head Coach John Harbaugh.

"I like the fact that these guys care about our image, and they pull me back from the rail, because I'm ready to take chances on people. I really am. I think that's kind of what life is about, and I think there are opportunities like that."

So everyone is saying that the Ravens are most likely not going to take a chance on the big name WR well Bisciotti has the final say and it seems to me he is willing to take the risk to make this team great...I think that this is great I mean he is recognizing that we can make a Super Bowl run in the next 1-3 years and in order to do this we need to fill our biggest whole

Tell me what you guys think!

[Ed_Reed20]

Bisciotti may have the final say, but he's never been the Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder-type. He leaves management of the team to Ozzie and the coaches.

Also, didn't Biscoitti say something along the lines of not liking repeat offenders in the same presser?

[FlaccoIsHot]

I think stuff like this gets taken out of context b/c a reporter asked him if he's a risk taker IIRC. Just b/c he is a risk taker doesn't mean he's going to sign anybody or trade for BMarsh. We just have to wait and see.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='FlaccoIsHot' date='05 February 2010 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1265428185' post='355958']
I think stuff like this gets taken out of context b/c a reporter asked him if he's a risk taker IIRC. Just b/c he is a risk taker doesn't mean he's going to sign anybody or trade for BMarsh. We just have to wait and see.
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"These kids are under so much scrutiny, and we're talking about 53 of them that you have to put together," Bisciotti said. "You're not going to have 53 angels, and you probably wouldn't have a very good team if you had 53 angels."
sounds to me like the character issues would relate to Marshall in TO..which is why I left the link and not just those 2 quotes

[Ed_Reed20]

These are direct quotes from the article:

[i]"More than anything, the type or severity of problems a player has had matters most to Baltimore's decision-makers. Repeat offenders are players the Ravens try to avoid.

"I don't think that mistakes are necessarily a sign of poor character," Bisciotti said. "I think repeating mistakes is the closest sign to bad character that you can look at."

When it comes to those "bad characters," Bisciotti doesn't have much sympathy.[/i]

I'm not saying this proves the team won't go after Marshall, T.O. or even Antonio Bryant but let's look at everything that was said in the article.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

I find it interesting to finally read what Bisciotti has to say and to try to get a read on what he's thinking. I love the fact that he isn't a Jerry Jones type owner always over ruling his front office and even his coach. What he says that strikes me the most is one word about the "high risk" players, repeat. Eveyone is going to make mistakes or have a problem, but the players who continually do it set a behavior pattern that you can't afford to over look. They're not gonna be able to help the team if they go off on a me-me-me, tantrum or even worse get called to N.Y. to have a sit down with Roger!

[MagicianCamille]

This article told me nothing new. Character is important to the organization, and Bisciotti likes to take risks.

Okay?

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 February 2010 - 10:41 PM' timestamp='1265427677' post='355955']
Bisciotti may have the final say, but he's never been the Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder-type. He leaves management of the team to Ozzie and the coaches.

Also, didn't Biscoitti say something along the lines of not liking repeat offenders in the same presser?
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Exactly. Steve even gave an example of "Randy Moss for a 4th." His point is that it would have to be a low risk/high reward situation.

But as you said, he also stated that he would defer to his football personnel so they can "talk him from the ledge."

This circles back to my main point. All of these persons that keep mindlessly saying "trade a 1st for Brandon Marshall" are a bunch of fools. Plus, it ain't gonna happen.

[JEEPercreepermd]

I think everyone is trying to read WAAAY too far into what Bisciotti, Ozzie and Harbaugh said. It will always be the same deal with Ozzie..right player and right price. If they can get a good deal on a guy that can help the team, they will take him. If they have to give up the farm for a guy who is a huge risk, they won't. That's all they said.

[poedacrow]

Mr. Biscotti impressed me as a man who is aware of his impetuous nature yet is not given to demagogurey. He admits to having to be "pulled from the rail" because he likes to "take chances with people."

That said, it's clear to me that the acquisition of (insert your favorite big name WR here) is a distinct possibility but not at the expense of the character and reputation of the Baltimore Ravens and only if it is a consensus among the four men we saw at the podium.

I admit to being a member of the "draft first" contingent, preferring to develop talent rather than hire it. But if these four men decide otherwise I am confident that it will be an intelligent, well formulated consensus and we as Ravens fans will be the better for it.

If Brandon Marshall catches the winning touchdown in the superbowl in a Ravens uniform I'll submit to a pummeling of "I told you so" and utter not nary a peep or wimper.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='06 February 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1265439350' post='355980']
These are direct quotes from the article:

[i]"More than anything, the type or severity of problems a player has had matters most to Baltimore's decision-makers. Repeat offenders are players the Ravens try to avoid.

"I don't think that mistakes are necessarily a sign of poor character," Bisciotti said. "I think repeating mistakes is the closest sign to bad character that you can look at."

When it comes to those "bad characters," Bisciotti doesn't have much sympathy.[/i]

I'm not saying this proves the team won't go after Marshall, T.O. or even Antonio Bryant but let's look at everything that was said in the article.
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Well Marshall may fill that role of repeat offenders but alot of WRs on the market dont...I'm just saying in general I dont think that we are going to pass up the #1 WR this year

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='06 February 2010 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1265487506' post='356103']
Well Marshall may fill that role of repeat offenders but alot of WRs on the market dont...I'm just saying in general I dont think that we are going to pass up the #1 WR this year
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I agree that the Ravens will likely sign on of the top receiver but I'd be surprised if it's Marshall.

[ed.s52]

I personally hope it's B.Marsh or Antonio Bryant because those 2 we can get for the best deal and A.Bryant is underrated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icFuomOYYT4

First Catch and last catch 4:24 into it are probably his best. He can simply catch anything. We should get this guy even if we get B.Marsh that way we can have 3, including Mason, Spectacular recievers.

Not to mention he did all of this with Jeff Garcia.



Crazy Idea but hear me out:

We draft Tebow in the 2nd if he's still there.

Then, when the Jacksonville Jaguars are pouting about missing Tebow in hopes that he would be in the 3rd, we tell them, " Hey how about we work out a trade for Mike Sims-Walker (or Dez Bryant if they draft him)."

Since they are facing bankruptcy, we will get a spectacular deal like Tebow and a 4th for MSW/Dez Bryant.

Problem solved.

[DarthCheesey]

[quote name='poedacrow' date='06 February 2010 - 08:52 AM' timestamp='1265464323' post='356005']
Mr. Biscotti impressed me as a man who is aware of his impetuous nature yet is not given to demagogurey. He admits to having to be "pulled from the rail" because he likes to "take chances with people."

That said, it's clear to me that the acquisition of (insert your favorite big name WR here) is a distinct possibility but not at the expense of the character and reputation of the Baltimore Ravens and only if it is a consensus among the four men we saw at the podium.

I admit to being a member of the "draft first" contingent, preferring to develop talent rather than hire it. But if these four men decide otherwise I am confident that it will be an intelligent, well formulated consensus and we as Ravens fans will be the better for it.

If Brandon Marshall catches the winning touchdown in the superbowl in a Ravens uniform I'll submit to a pummeling of "I told you so" and utter not nary a peep or wimper.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. I also like the draft and develop approach over hiring for talent. And as this fan wrote, I to will remain silent should Marshall catch the big one to win the big one.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='06 February 2010 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1265502321' post='356177']
I personally hope it's B.Marsh or Antonio Bryant because those 2 we can get for the best deal and A.Bryant is underrated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icFuomOYYT4

First Catch and last catch 4:24 into it are probably his best. He can simply catch anything. We should get this guy even if we get B.Marsh that way we can have 3, including Mason, Spectacular recievers.

Not to mention he did all of this with Jeff Garcia.



Crazy Idea but hear me out:

We draft Tebow in the 2nd if he's still there.

Then, when the Jacksonville Jaguars are pouting about missing Tebow in hopes that he would be in the 3rd, we tell them, " Hey how about we work out a trade for Mike Sims-Walker (or Dez Bryant if they draft him)."

Since they are facing bankruptcy, we will get a spectacular deal like Tebow and a 4th for MSW/Dez Bryant.

Problem solved.
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I really like Bryant(when he's on the field) and TB is likely to let him hit FA. It'll be tough to sign him though because teams like the 'Skins or someone else will be throwing boatloads of money at him. But he'd be a great signing.

On a side note, Garcia isn't a bad QB.

And if the Ravens do sign Bryant, they won't go after Marshall as well. Both are going to be looking for 10 million + contracts wherever they end up.

Your crazy idea is just that, crazy. The Ravens can't waste a draft pick just to offer a trade for a building block of an average team. And I doubt they Jags will draft Dez Bryant. Sims-Walker is their #1 and the receiver isn't a position they really need.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='06 February 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1265503165' post='356189']
I really like Bryant(when he's on the field) and TB is likely to let him hit FA. It'll be tough to sign him though because teams like the 'Skins or someone else will be throwing boatloads of money at him. But he'd be a great signing.

On a side note, Garcia isn't a bad QB.

And if the Ravens do sign Bryant, they won't go after Marshall as well. Both are going to be looking for 10 million + contracts wherever they end up.

Your crazy idea is just that, crazy. The Ravens can't waste a draft pick just to offer a trade for a building block of an average team. And I doubt they Jags will draft Dez Bryant. Sims-Walker is their #1 and the receiver isn't a position they really need.
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Well Garcia isn't a bad QB but he certainly isn't good. Some say he was a Pro-Bowler, but so was Derek Anderson.

I didn't expect them to go after both, I don't think they will. If money was no object we would, but simply, it is. And I'm not sure Bryant will be 10 mill+. i think he will stay 10 million even or possibly lower if none shows interest, although I could be wrong.

And I know it would be crazy but at the same time, I think the Jags would do something crazy like that to get Tebow. He is a idol in Florida. And I would find it plain hysterical.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='06 February 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1265505084' post='356203']
Well Garcia isn't a bad QB but he certainly isn't good. Some say he was a Pro-Bowler, but so was Derek Anderson.

I didn't expect them to go after both, I don't think they will. If money was no object we would, but simply, it is. And I'm not sure Bryant will be 10 mill+. i think he will stay 10 million even or possibly lower if none shows interest, although I could be wrong.

And I know it would be crazy but at the same time, I think the Jags would do something crazy like that to get Tebow. He is a idol in Florida. And I would find it plain hysterical.
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I disagree about Garcia not being good. According to Wiki he's one of 8 QBs in NFL history to throw 30 touchdowns in consecutive season and has amassed over 25,000 passing yards, 161 TDs and 83 interceptions in his career. While that's not great, I'd say it's pretty good.

I don't think Bryant will get the 10 million plus deal but he think he's worth it which could affect negotiations.

Jacksonville may be foolish enough to do a deal like that but the Ravens won't draft Tebow in the second(even if he's there) just to use him for trade-bait.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' date='06 February 2010 - 06:23 AM' timestamp='1265455383' post='355994']
[b]Exactly. Steve even gave an example of "Randy Moss for a 4th." His point is that it would have to be a low risk/high reward situation. [/b]
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sighhhhhh... if only the Ravens were the ones that could have gotten that deal done.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='06 February 2010 - 05:19 PM' timestamp='1265505574' post='356212']
I disagree about Garcia not being good. According to Wiki he's one of 8 QBs in NFL history to throw 30 touchdowns in consecutive season and has amassed over 25,000 passing yards, 161 TDs and 83 interceptions in his career. While that's not great, I'd say it's pretty good.

I don't think Bryant will get the 10 million plus deal but he think he's worth it which could affect negotiations.

Jacksonville may be foolish enough to do a deal like that but the Ravens won't draft Tebow in the second(even if he's there) just to use him for trade-bait.
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Probably not, just a crazy idea and who knows, some desperate team might try that.
Well he was good but now he is a 3rd stringer for Philly. In his prime he was good, but his season with the Bucs was not his prime. If you look at A.Bryant's highlight tape you will see some horrible balls he's had to come back to and manages to make plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icFuomOYYT4

[63bru]

If we're afraid of Marshall's character, why aren't we afraid of Bryant's? He really only plays well in contract years, and he whines just as much as Marshall. Why do we hear more about Marshall's flaws? Because he's a stud receiver every year, whereas Bryant is one only when he needs to be. I'd rather see Marshall than Bryant, though any improvement is a good improvement. Finally, I've said this before on another thread, and I believe this. If you have the choice of drafting a first round receiver or trading it for an already elite NFL receiver with at least 3 or 4 great years left in the tank, you make that trade. It just doesn't make sense to take a big chance on drafting one of the most bustable positions when you can get proven NFL talent.

[ed.s52]

Anybody would rather see Marshall than Bryant, but Bryant is cheaper and easier to acquire,and we dont have to give up picks.

[63bru]

I don't really want either of them; I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of hating on Marshall and heaping love on Bryant.

[drfeelgood]

My thing on big name WR is they asking for Big money and give you big Attitudes..No name or rookie WR will sometimes go out to give you big plays to make a name for themself. For example..Miles Austin, The Cowboys did not know what they had and he came up Big for them. Sidney Rice... He played big also. Makes you think if Brett was not the QB would we had seen them skill Rice showed? My point is I think with the right QB(Like the one we have) you can get a create a big name out of a no name.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='drfeelgood' date='12 February 2010 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1265982113' post='359014']
you can get a create a big name out of a no name.
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who is Mark Clayton? Yea still an unknown.....

Point is, a QB cannot make a WR. The WR needs to have the talent to get OPEN! So our QB with the cannon arm can have a legitimate chance of completing the pass!

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='12 February 2010 - 06:37 AM' timestamp='1265985427' post='359029']
who is Mark Clayton? Yea still an unknown.....

Point is, a QB cannot make a WR. The WR needs to have the talent to get OPEN! So our QB with the cannon arm can have a legitimate chance of completing the pass!
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Well a QB still drasticly elevates the play of WR's. Peyton Manning made Peirre Garcon and Austin Collie. If any other team got them they wouldn't be half as good as they are now because they are with Manning

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='12 February 2010 - 10:46 PM' timestamp='1266032795' post='359363']
Well a QB still drasticly elevates the play of WR's. Peyton Manning made Peirre Garcon and Austin Collie. If any other team got them they wouldn't be half as good as they are now because they are with Manning
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I disagree. People give Manning too much credit.

Garcon and Collie are talented players and in Indy's system, which isn't very complex, they can make plays with ease. Sure Manning has thrown some pretty passes to them but they've made plays for him too.

[tonio1991]

i think ur rite about that but i also say that the ravens need a good big time receiver to get us some points on the score board