Union Leader Says Lockout In 2011 Is Very Likely!

[ROH522155]

Espn published this article about the possible lockout in 2011.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4887844


Ive said before that im gonna cry really hard if I lose my Ravens for a whole year. Well, now may be the time to start crying. NFLPA executive director Demaurice Smith says the chances of a lockout on a scale of one to ten are 14!!

Im still holding out hope that they can get a deal done at the last minute but its not looking good. Please NFL, think about the fans.

[theFRANCHISE]

He's probably being overdramatic to try and encourage something to be done. The lockout is sort of the doomsday button of a scenario that'll only happen if there absolutely CANNOT be any middle road between the two sides.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1265326176' post='355421']
He's probably being overdramatic to try and encourage something to be done. The lockout is sort of the doomsday button of a scenario that'll only happen if there absolutely CANNOT be any middle road between the two sides.
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I sure hope thats what hes trying to do. I don't know what I would do without the NFL.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='04 February 2010 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1265326346' post='355422']
I sure hope thats what hes trying to do. I don't know what I would do without the NFL.
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not to mention it would definitely be the end of Lewis, Reed, Pryce, Mason, Gregg and a few others.......meaning THIS year may be the last we see of these guys

[ROH522155]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='04 February 2010 - 06:38 PM' timestamp='1265326705' post='355425']
not to mention it would definitely be the end of Lewis, Reed, Pryce, Mason, Gregg and a few others.......meaning THIS year may be the last we see of these guys
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Yes exactly!........What would happen to the NFL Network?

[Ed_Reed20]

Both parties are greedy. I really hope they settle this because the fans are the reason they're making gigantic sums of money and they'd be screwing us all if the lockout came to be.

[beach08]

How does it work if there's a lock-out for PSL owners and there season ticket fees?

[Twoo]

[quote name='beach08' date='04 February 2010 - 07:26 PM' timestamp='1265329573' post='355454']
How does it work if there's a lock-out for PSL owners and there season ticket fees?
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From what I understand it will all depend on the situation. There can be a lockout and still be football (doubtful). The more than likely situation is since the stadium will still be hosting events we can either pay to have ownership rights for the year to attend those certain events or we can waive our seats for the year but retain the option of ownership once the lockout ends.

[MKdave]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='04 February 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1265326705' post='355425']
not to mention it would definitely be the end of Lewis, Reed, Pryce, Mason, Gregg and a few others.......meaning THIS year may be the last we see of these guys
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I dunno, it's not the usual scenario of 'they're a year older, and they've got an extra year of football behind them'. A year off could work wonders for Ed's hip and neck issues, Kelly's knee. Pryce would probably be done and Mase because you just don't get the feeling he wants to play anymore. But I think a lockout would be the end of Ray or Ed.

[wvravensfan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 07:29 PM' timestamp='1265326176' post='355421']
He's probably being overdramatic to try and encourage something to be done. The lockout is sort of the doomsday button of a scenario that'll only happen if there absolutely CANNOT be any middle road between the two sides.
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Your a smart guy so what does this lockout mean exactly? I understand no football but i am kinda confused on what the terms are and why this is happening?? It seems like the NFL has all the money in the world and yet still have problems concerning money haha...SO if you could let me know i would appreciate it

[POE]

I find it ridiculous on both ends of the spectrum because they all make a killing these days, as the NFL is at it's all time high in revenue all while the players are being awarded with contracts that the NFL has never seen before. There is no question that the economic crisis has hurt some teams profit but most are still gaining versus losing. Nothing good has ever come from a lockout in any sport and it would damage the credibility of the NFL IMO. These guys need to seriously come to an agreement and do the right thing. Both sides need to give a little and put in an agreement in place that will work for years to come. Roger Goodell will be a key in getting this deal done and the way he will be graded as commissioner relies on this deal. I truly believe that this agreement will take place prior to a lockout because I just can't imagine life without football. 2011 isn't far away so I guess we will know sooner than later.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Wait a lockout wouldn't prevent them from being able to make a deal, right? Like even if there is a lockout in 2011, couldn't football still return at some point if a deal is agreed upon?

[reediddy]

im embarrassed to ask...but whats the initial argument that's gonna cause a lockout anyway? my apologies for being an uneducated bum :-(

[J-man]

As much money as they make, I doubt the NFL will let it happen.

[LilyRaven]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1265326176' post='355421']
He's probably being overdramatic to try and encourage something to be done. The lockout is sort of the doomsday button of a scenario that'll only happen if there absolutely CANNOT be any middle road between the two sides.
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[quote name='J-man' date='04 February 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1265335304' post='355505']
As much money as they make, I doubt the NFL will let it happen.
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This and this. Smith certainly has a flair for the dramatic, something I wish he would tone down. The more I read from him, the more I wonder if he even likes football. However, I think it's far more smoke than actual fire. Too many people would lose too much money with a lockout.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='reediddy' date='04 February 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1265334854' post='355500']
im embarrassed to ask...but whats the initial argument that's gonna cause a lockout anyway? my apologies for being an uneducated bum :-(
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The labor dispute has to do with the distribution of revenue, particularly where the revenue is being streamed. Much of it has to do with disability benefits and the amount that is guaranteed for current players, as well as the amount given to retired players from decades past. Also, there are issues with stadium funding, revenue-sharing, pay scales (potential rookie salary cap, coaches' pay, etc.), as well as whether the league should fully disclose all of their finances publicly as many corporations do.

In other words, it's all about what to do with the money that's being earned by the league and how it's distributed. Very complicated stuff and easy to see why the two sides aren't close yet.

At the same time, also greedy to an extent on the side of both parties since they're making exorbitant amounts of money and acting selfishly if they refuse to come to another temporary agreement to at least guarantee football in 2011.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='LilyRaven' date='04 February 2010 - 09:07 PM' timestamp='1265335632' post='355509']
However, I think it's far more smoke than actual fire. Too many people would lose too much money with a lockout.
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Exactly. Everyone loses if there's a lockout. Should the league lockout the players, then even if there were replacement players brought in, there'd still be massive amounts of revenue lost that would make this whole revenue-sharing dispute a moot point if there's no revenue left to share.

[K-Dog]

isnt this how the movie "The Replacements" got started?

[POE]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1265335969' post='355517']
Exactly. Everyone loses if there's a lockout. Should the league lockout the players, then even if there were replacement players brought in, there'd still be massive amounts of revenue lost that would make this whole revenue-sharing dispute a moot point if there's no revenue left to share.
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Not everyone loses if the lockout does happen due to television contracts and other similiar agreements that are already in the books. The league and the owners will still be making billions of dollars in the locked out year if such a thing would happen. Some speculate that the owners and othera are pushing for a lockout and have been building for this to happen for this reason. I think that all that is wishful thinking and just a dream but anything is possible. Let's just hope all of this talk will be taken care of sooner than later.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='POE' date='04 February 2010 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1265340573' post='355553']
Not everyone loses if the lockout does happen due to television contracts and other similiar agreements that are already in the books. The league and the owners will still be making billions of dollars in the locked out year if such a thing would happen.
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But there's also future revenue that is lost -- smart businessmen wouldn't take the short-term gain over the long-term, fluctuating investment that yearly competition in the NFL affords.

[POE]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1265340753' post='355556']
But there's also future revenue that is lost -- smart businessmen wouldn't take the short-term gain over the long-term, fluctuating investment that yearly competition in the NFL affords.
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I agree with you 100% but a smart businessmen doesn't agree to terms on something this big unless it benefits him in some fashion and they also understand that if they don't come to an agreement in time they will still get theirs, per say. My point being that they can take their time agreeing to terms on the CBA and still benefit if the lockout does happen. I don't think anybody really wants this to happen but who is really going to budge here? Both sides want what they feel they have earned and if not worked out properly it could get even more ugly than it already is.

[Ed_Reed20]

Is there a possibility we'd see scabs if there was a lockout? Forgive my ignorance but I simply haven't done much homework on this issue.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 February 2010 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1265341916' post='355570']
Is there a possibility we'd see scabs if there was a lockout? Forgive my ignorance but I simply haven't done much homework on this issue.
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Possibility, yes. Likely? Not sure.

A lot of people have stated that a lockout doesn't necessarily mean there won't be football of some sort in 2011.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 10:55 PM' timestamp='1265342119' post='355572']
Possibility, yes. Likely? Not sure.

A lot of people have stated that a lockout doesn't necessarily mean there won't be football of some sort in 2011.
[/quote]

I see. Honestly, scabs wouldn't that bad. There are some talented players not in the league right now and I'd think they'd be entertaining at the least if the worst happened.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 February 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1265342261' post='355574']
I see. Honestly, scabs wouldn't that bad. There are some talented players not in the league right now and I'd think they'd be entertaining at the least if the worst happened.
[/quote]
Scabs or no scabs, I'm still rooting for the Ravens.

That said, should the unthinkable happen and the current players never return to the NFL (highly, highly improbable and unlikely), I go whereever Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Joe Flacco go. I don't care if they end up playing in Canada or some random league overseas, I'll find a way to support them!

[POE]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='05 February 2010 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1265347098' post='355601']
Scabs or no scabs, I'm still rooting for the Ravens.

That said, should the unthinkable happen and the current players never return to the NFL (highly, highly improbable and unlikely), I go whereever Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Joe Flacco go. I don't care if they end up playing in Canada or some random league overseas, I'll find a way to support them!
[/quote]

I feel the same way!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='05 February 2010 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1265347098' post='355601']
Scabs or no scabs, I'm still rooting for the Ravens.

That said, should the unthinkable happen and the current players never return to the NFL (highly, highly improbable and unlikely), I go whereever Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Joe Flacco go. I don't care if they end up playing in Canada or some random league overseas, I'll find a way to support them!
[/quote]

Amen.

But just for laughs, could you imagine Ray or Ed playing in Canada? LOL! Domination...

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1265347098' post='355601']
Scabs or no scabs, I'm still rooting for the Ravens.

That said, should the unthinkable happen and the current players never return to the NFL (highly, highly improbable and unlikely), I go whereever Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Joe Flacco go. I don't care if they end up playing in Canada or some random league overseas, I'll find a way to support them! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img]
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Count me in! May have to buy some really funky looking new jersies though.[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/141847_thud.GIF[/img]

[Dubs]

not that im happy to see this but as a Canadian this could really work in the CFLs favor if they are smart about it..same with the UFL..atleast we will have the NCAA..im would put money on a lockout especially because we are going into an uncapped year, owners are gonna want a strict cap, players arent gonna budge much, owners have no real reason to budge as its not like their career is up in a coupe of years and this will all be a big mess and saddening that we wont get the NFL for a year. Hopefully something dramatic happens..I cant really argue on either sides perspective as they both make valid points all i can say changes do need to be made, i am happy they are talking of a legacy fund because i think that will entice players to take lower salaries. However there is beyond belief amounts of legal, political, ethical and social jargon that its not fair to comment on who should be doing what.

[poedacrow]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 February 2010 - 07:29 PM' timestamp='1265326176' post='355421']
He's probably being overdramatic to try and encourage something to be done. The lockout is sort of the doomsday button of a scenario that'll only happen if there absolutely CANNOT be any middle road between the two sides.
[/quote]
agreed.

Mr. Biscotti says he has[b]..."partners whose teams make less money than their linebackers"[/b]

Mr. Smith states the NFL players will have to [b]"take a $340,000 pay cut to save the NFL"[/b]

Both sides are spinning this to state their case but in the end it is the middle ground that will win the day and I doubt that "button" gets pushed.

Perhaps we should introduce a third player...The NFLFA...National Footbal League Fans Association to have our voice heard. After all, we pay [b]everyobody's[/b] salary do we not?