Understanding FA 2010 / Marshall?

[WACKO4FLACC0]

Okay so as you guys have seen on the home page of the Ravens website the Broncos are looking to trade Marshall so these are my questions about FA in general and the Marshall

1. What is the difference between signing a unrestricted FA and a restricted FA?...dont you still have to match the offer of the team giving you the player no matter what kind of free agent he is?

2. Anyone know where to find Marshall's old contract information?

3.Also if you trade away draft picks what is their value? Hypothetically if the Ravens wanted to trade a #1 draft pick how could you calculate the value or maybe even a #2 and another player..for someone like Marshall/TO/etc.

4. What do you think about getting Marshall? Obviously it would upgrade our WR core but would you rather have a WR like TO or A. Bryant?

Thanks for helping me understand this crazy offseason

[edreedfromtheu]

1. Unrestricted means any team can sign them and they have no "current" team. They are free to do whatever they want. BUT, because of the uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement... teams that made the playoffs this year have limitations on signing free agents. Restricted means that other teams can talk with the player, and make offers... but the player's current team can match any and all offers if they choose to. So basically, they have final say as to whether they will be keeping the restricted free agent or not.

2. Marshall is not an unrestricted free agent. He's still got at LEAST 1 more year on his contract. Which is actually better for the Ravens because they don't have to worry about the "final 8" rules. They simply need to offer a good enough trade to the Broncos for him.

3. It's up to the teams who are involved in the trade to agree on the value of draft picks. But because Dallas ruined the market by trading away a 1st and 3rd round pick for a horrible receiver in Roy Williams... that's most likely going to be around the asking price. A 1st round pick in this year's draft for sure, and probably a conditional pick(based on performance) on top of that for 2011 draft.

4. I feel Marshall is the best fit of any receivers the Ravens could get. He's got the height, hands, and after the catch abilities. He's also young, so he can play with Flacco for many years.

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='29 January 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1264822041' post='352988']
Okay so as you guys have seen on the home page of the Ravens website the Broncos are looking to trade Marshall so these are my questions about FA in general and the Marshall

1. What is the difference between signing a unrestricted FA and a restricted FA?...dont you still have to match the offer of the team giving you the player no matter what kind of free agent he is?

2. Anyone know where to find Marshall's old contract information?

3.Also if you trade away draft picks what is their value? Hypothetically if the Ravens wanted to trade a #1 draft pick how could you calculate the value or maybe even a #2 and another player..for someone like Marshall/TO/etc.

4. What do you think about getting Marshall? Obviously it would upgrade our WR core but would you rather have a WR like TO or A. Bryant?

Thanks for helping me understand this crazy offseason
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[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='30 January 2010 - 12:04 AM' timestamp='1264827849' post='353018']
1. Unrestricted means any team can sign them and they have no "current" team. They are free to do whatever they want. BUT, because of the uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement... teams that made the playoffs this year have limitations on signing free agents. Restricted means that other teams can talk with the player, and make offers... but the player's current team can match any and all offers if they choose to. So basically, they have final say as to whether they will be keeping the restricted free agent or not.

2. Marshall is not an unrestricted free agent. He's still got at LEAST 1 more year on his contract. Which is actually better for the Ravens because they don't have to worry about the "final 8" rules. They simply need to offer a good enough trade to the Broncos for him.

3. It's up to the teams who are involved in the trade to agree on the value of draft picks. But because Dallas ruined the market by trading away a 1st and 3rd round pick for a horrible receiver in Roy Williams... that's most likely going to be around the asking price. A 1st round pick in this year's draft for sure, and probably a conditional pick(based on performance) on top of that for 2011 draft.

4. I feel Marshall is the best fit of any receivers the Ravens could get. He's got the height, hands, and after the catch abilities. He's also young, so he can play with Flacco for many years.
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Cool thanks for the help...I thought that Marshall was a restricted FA though

[Twoo]

I wouldn't worry about us, the Broncos and the final 8 rule. There's ways around it that would work for both parties. Kind of like a loop hole in the final 8 rule. All we'd have to do is place a phone call, Broncos would apply a FT on Marshall and we'd trade for him... if we wanted him.

Teams usually get screwed when it comes to RFA's and letting them go. If the Broncos believe they can get more than a comparable draft pick from letting a RFA go then they'll tag him and trade.

[YABOY]

flacco to marshall would be great please get him ozzie

[FlaccoIsHot]

I would love to get B.Marshall for Joe to throw the ball to. The problem is I don't see Ozzie making a deal. Especially as much as he values draft picks. We'll see though.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='FlaccoIsHot' date='30 January 2010 - 01:00 PM' timestamp='1264874455' post='353086']
I would love to get B.Marshall for Joe to throw the ball to. The problem is I don't see Ozzie making a deal. Especially as much as he values draft picks. We'll see though.
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Ya I was just throwing the idea out there but honestly there is not much better the Ravens could do than Marshall I mean that guy is a beast
I know Oz hates trading away the draft picks and I agree with him until this year..I mean you look at the team we have now and we need to win soon or we are not going to win for awhile

[FlaccoIsHot]

Maybe Ozzie will surprise us and make a big move. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm not really big on any of the WR's in the draft but who knows.

[Ed_Reed20]

The receiver position is arguably the team's most pressing need but it isn't the ONLY need. The team's anemic pass rush, questions at CB, depth on the o-line and TE positions all need to be addressed through the draft. Trading for Marshall would make these addressing these needs very though. The same money this team would pay Marshall could also be used to improve several positions.

It would be great to have an already-great receiver just entering his prime on this team but I don't think it makes sense to neglect other positions.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I want Chargers #2 WR Malcolm Floyd. he stall, and is great for flacco to throw to.

[FlaccoIsHot]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='30 January 2010 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1264898121' post='353271']
The receiver position is arguably the team's most pressing need but it isn't the ONLY need. The team's anemic pass rush, questions at CB, depth on the o-line and TE positions all need to be addressed through the draft. Trading for Marshall would make these addressing these needs very though. The same money this team would pay Marshall could also be used to improve several positions.

It would be great to have an already-great receiver just entering his prime on this team but I don't think it makes sense to neglect other positions.
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I agree and that's my problem trading multiple draft picks for one player. IMO we are more than 1 player away from being super bowl contenders. Our defense needs some help too...

[Jamal]

I say we give our first and third for Marshall. We could get a pass rusher in the second round.

Our o-line is only going to get better, and I think our corners are fine. Foxworth and Webb would be the starters, and we might be able to get a good corner like Rodgers from the 'skins.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Jamal' date='30 January 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1264903199' post='353314']
I say we give our first and third for Marshall. We could get a pass rusher in the second round.

Our o-line is only going to get better, and I think our corners are fine. Foxworth and Webb would be the starters, and we might be able to get a good corner like Rodgers from the 'skins.
[/quote]

That isn't the way to go in my opinion. If they drafted a pass rusher in second round, they would have to wait all the way to the fourth round to finally draft a receiver. With none of the four starting receivers guaranteed to come back, this would leave the position in pretty bad shape.

There isn't much depth behind the o-line. Webb may not be ready at the start of the season and there isn't much depth at the position either(this is assuming Washington and Walker aren't brought back).

And by signing Marshall, I highly doubt they'd be able to sign Carlos Rogers. Think about how much money Foxworth got. Rogers could warrant even more.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='30 January 2010 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1264905020' post='353328']
That isn't the way to go in my opinion. If they drafted a pass rusher in second round, they would have to wait all the way to the fourth round to finally draft a receiver. With none of the four starting receivers guaranteed to come back, this would leave the position in pretty bad shape.

There isn't much depth behind the o-line. Webb may not be ready at the start of the season and there isn't much depth at the position either(this is assuming Washington and Walker aren't brought back).

And by signing Marshall, I highly doubt they'd be able to sign Carlos Rogers. Think about how much money Foxworth got. Rogers could warrant even more.
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You make valid points, and I'd agree with you, if we had a #1 WR. The problem is we don't. It usually takes a WR 2-3 years to become a #1. Not everyone is going to be a Randy Moss. Plus the only obvious #1 I see is Bryant, and it is more than a long shot that he falls all the way to 25.

If Marshall is signed, I can see Mason come back. And we will sign at leat one of the WR's going into FA; hopefully Washington.
If Mason has Marshall on the other side, he might be able to put up Donald Driver numbers.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='FlaccoIsHot' date='30 January 2010 - 08:32 PM' timestamp='1264901573' post='353295']
I agree and that's my problem trading multiple draft picks for one player. IMO we are more than 1 player away from being super bowl contenders. Our defense needs some help too...
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I dont know if that is completely true, sure it would be nice to have a big pass rushing guy but our D was great last year and with the return of Webb/Washington our D will be improved from the end of the season and I really think that Carr stepped up and showed he isnt just a special teamer

I mean yes the D isnt perfect but no D will ever be completely perfect...WR is the biggest concern and it has been for years we cant just keep saying 'O well WRs are hard to get in the draft and people our asking to much, etc etc' the matter of the fact is that if we keep drafting WRs late in the rounds and hoping to get a #1 WR its going to take forever

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Jamal' date='30 January 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1264903199' post='353314']
I say we give our first and third for Marshall. We could get a pass rusher in the second round.

Our o-line is only going to get better, and I think our corners are fine. Foxworth and Webb would be the starters, and we might be able to get a good corner like Rodgers from the 'skins.
[/quote]
I would want to give a 2nd and a 3rd/4th and maybe other player in the mix that aren't huge names
I think we are fine in the CB spot..its not perfect but we have bigger concerns..we can still get other players late in the draft...its not like Oz hasnt found talent that late in the draft before
The Skins might want Willis they were 27th in rush offense and Portis is getting hurt year after year

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='30 January 2010 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1264905020' post='353328']
That isn't the way to go in my opinion. If they drafted a pass rusher in second round, [b]they would have to wait all the way to the fourth round to finally draft a receiver[/b]. With none of the four starting receivers guaranteed to come back, this would leave the position in pretty bad shape.

There isn't much depth behind the o-line. Webb may not be ready at the start of the season and there isn't much depth at the position either(this is assuming Washington and Walker aren't brought back).

And by signing Marshall, I highly doubt they'd be able to sign Carlos Rogers. Think about how much money Foxworth got. Rogers could warrant even more.
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Yes but we would have a #1, Mason might want to come back for one last try at the Super Bowl so he'll be the #2
Webb may not be ready to start so what is wrong with playing Carr?
Yes but its uncapped as long as Steve wants to give up the money for him he can do what he wants

[Saromus]

I really would love to see Brandon Marshall signed to the Ravens. He would be a tremendous addition to the team. But he is going to be very pricey.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Saromus' date='31 January 2010 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1264966026' post='353537']
I really would love to see Brandon Marshall signed to the Ravens. He would be a tremendous addition to the team. But he is going to be very pricey.
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He is going to be worth it though. Just see the impact Plaxico made for the Giants. Eli isn't the same now. I just feel like if we had Marshall our offense would be one of the best in the league. A very good qb, with a very young and powerful offensive line, with a pro bowl backfield, with a pro bowl receiver. I just like the sound of that.