Cam And Flacco

[FlaccoIsHot]

I was reading a ravens blog and there was talk about the sideline incident when Joe was letting Cam have an earful. The poster was saying that NFL network had a segment after the game showing the incident slowed down to figure out what was being said. Did anyone see this? Apparently Joe was telling Cam that he wanted to call the plays and call audibles.

My question is does Cam usually let Joe call audibles? I thought Cam's playcalling was pretty bad in Indy and was glad to see Joe stand up to Cam. I saw it as a good thing. I think Joe is maturing and starting to grow into more of a leader.

Are there any videos out there of this?

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='FlaccoIsHot' date='23 January 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1264301074' post='349811']
I was reading a ravens blog and there was talk about the sideline incident when Joe was letting Cam have an earful. The poster was saying that NFL network had a segment after the game showing the incident slowed down to figure out what was being said. Did anyone see this? Apparently Joe was telling Cam that he wanted to call the plays and call audibles.

My question is does Cam usually let Joe call audibles? I thought Cam's playcalling was pretty bad in Indy and was glad to see Joe stand up to Cam. I saw it as a good thing. I think Joe is maturing and starting to grow into more of a leader.

Are there any videos out there of this?
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Flacco said, "F You, Cam." Right to his face. So much for the arguments that Flacco does not have a sack. He did not like the playcalling and let Cam Cameron know it.

[FlaccoIsHot]

that's awesome. I didn't know he said that to him. I've never seem him that mad before.

[sliceanddic3]

Flaccdaddy standing up to Cam, good to see that from him.

[Jamal]

I've been looking for this video since after the game. Still haven't found it.

[FlaccoIsHot]

I know I've been looking for it too. I wish I would have dvr'd the game just so I could rewatch that part of it...

[Bltravens]

One guy in one of the division round playoff threads in the "other teams" section said he had it DVR'ed and he slowed it down to see what he said. The guy claimed that Flacco told Cam he was "tired of this sheet, when Im on the field I make the calls".

[DarthCheesey]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='23 January 2010 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1264304129' post='349831']
One guy in one of the division round playoff threads in the "other teams" section said he had it DVR'ed and he slowed it down to see what he said. The guy claimed that Flacco told Cam he was "tired of this sheet, when Im on the field I make the calls".
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I think next season Joe should get his chance at play calling. It's good for him to get loud and vocalize frustrations. He will need to spend his time on the sidelines looking at defensive packages/assignments etc to make adjustments. Hopefully, this offseason we get some WRs and whatever else we need to bolster the offense.

[SaVaGe]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='23 January 2010 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1264304129' post='349831']
One guy in one of the division round playoff threads in the "other teams" section said he had it DVR'ed and he slowed it down to see what he said. The guy claimed that Flacco told Cam he was "tired of this sheet, when Im on the field I make the calls".
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I don't blame Flacco because when your only target is Rice and the rest of the WR's are covered man to man and get no separation something is wrong.

[FlaccoIsHot]

it was great to see Flacco vocalize his frustrations...especially with all the WR drops. I'm sure that was pissing him off too.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='DarthCheesey' date='23 January 2010 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1264305217' post='349847']
I think next season Joe should get his chance at play calling. It's good for him to get loud and vocalize frustrations. He will need to spend his time on the sidelines looking at defensive packages/assignments etc to make adjustments. Hopefully, this offseason we get some WRs and whatever else we need to bolster the offense.
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I dont know about straight calling plays Peyton Manning style, but for the life of me I cant figure out how you dont give your QB the option to audible out of plays. I mean how many curls and 10 yard out plays does Cam have?

[Twoo]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' date='23 January 2010 - 09:54 PM' timestamp='1264301674' post='349814']
Flacco said, "F You, Cam." Right to his face. So much for the arguments that Flacco does not have a sack. He did not like the playcalling and let Cam Cameron know it.
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I'm pretty sure he said (99%) "F you, Cam. Let me change the call."

[JO_75]

[quote name='FlaccoIsHot' date='23 January 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1264301074' post='349811']
I was reading a ravens blog and there was talk about the sideline incident when Joe was letting Cam have an earful. The poster was saying that NFL network had a segment after the game showing the incident slowed down to figure out what was being said. Did anyone see this? [b]Apparently Joe was telling Cam that he wanted to call the plays and call audibles. [/b]

My question is does Cam usually let Joe call audibles? I thought Cam's playcalling was pretty bad in Indy and was glad to see Joe stand up to Cam. I saw it as a good thing. I think Joe is maturing and starting to grow into more of a leader.

Are there any videos out there of this?
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Now I know he is a second year QB, and in this case of a second year QB wanting to call his own plays and audibles is questionable and could be considered the right thing for the OC to not let him do that in his sophomore year but I am glad to see Joe stand up for himself. Joe just wants more freedom to do things and Cam just wants to keep the hand cuffs on him and tell him he's not allowed to audible or call his own plays. He will be entering his 3rd year, I believe the Ravens will make this off-season about him and get him a young receiver/TE to grow with in this decade and Cam better take the hand cuffs off him completely when we get him that receiver and TE he can grow with and hopefully Cam gives him more freedom as a QB and let's him audible and call his own plays next year.

[edreedfromtheu]

I have yet to see anything that resembles what you all are talking about, but I am not saying it didn't happen.

But uh, how exactly can anyone STOP Joe from calling an audible? Ultimately, he's the one out there on the field. He's the one that takes the snap, so ummm... even if the sideline called timeout every time Joe tried to audible, they'd eventually run out of timeouts. The only way they could stop him from calling an audible is to bench him.

So, even if Joe cursed... if he felt an audible was the best choice, he could have made the call. So he has only himself to blame for not calling an audible if he wanted to.

I NEVER see this guy looking at poloroids after a series, so I'm not sure what's going on. The offense is dysfunctional though, the play calling and the QB play... something is not right between it. The team regularly gets lined up with only 12 seconds on the play clock.

[MagicianCamille]

I really want to see video of this. Sounds very out of character.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='24 January 2010 - 03:06 AM' timestamp='1264320388' post='349906']
I really want to see video of this. Sounds very out of character.
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Or maybe he is more vocal than we give him credit for being. As for the WRs, I would have told them everytime you run your routes, run into the DB. That way the DB would get called for 5 yard illegal contact, but they couldn't even do that.

[Radinho84]

what´s the big deal? if he whants to audible he should do!!!! but what du you guys expect? he isn´t able to take advantage of the opponents defense offsides to get a free throw not is he able to hurry up the game. in my eyes he is a little too calm if you know what i mean...
if he whants to be a great quarterback in the nfl he has to make those changes on his own. my god- hes is a grown man and should start to act like one. maybe that was a good start in indy!!!

[JoeFlax]

I hope this doesn't boil down to hostility, but it's good to see Flacco showing some emotion when it really counts.

[Rinbee]

If all of this is true -- what Flacco said -- I think it shows just how inept some of our coaching is. Cam does not know how to stick with a winning formula (which was running the ball at that point in time) and insisting on the offense doing what he wants it to do. I really think Cam likes to change game plans just for the sake of change and not do what will work best. The fact that Joe had to loose his "cool" tells me there is no open communication. Maybe that's why people don't see Joe looking at polaroids, if this is true, because Cam is dictating everthing and not open to input from the field. I think this is why the defense got better -- Mattison started listening to the players. Where is Harbs in all of this? Oh, that's right, writing his cliches for his next press conference.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='24 January 2010 - 03:07 AM' timestamp='1264316847' post='349893']
I have yet to see anything that resembles what you all are talking about, but I am not saying it didn't happen.

But uh, how exactly can anyone STOP Joe from calling an audible? Ultimately, he's the one out there on the field. He's the one that takes the snap, so ummm... even if the sideline called timeout every time Joe tried to audible, they'd eventually run out of timeouts. The only way they could stop him from calling an audible is to bench him.

So, even if Joe cursed... if he felt an audible was the best choice, he could have made the call. So he has only himself to blame for not calling an audible if he wanted to.

I NEVER see this guy looking at poloroids after a series, so I'm not sure what's going on. The offense is dysfunctional though, the play calling and the QB play... something is not right between it. The team regularly gets lined up with only 12 seconds on the play clock.
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[quote name='Radinho84' date='24 January 2010 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1264340391' post='349940']
what´s the big deal? if he whants to audible he should do!!!! but what du you guys expect? he isn´t able to take advantage of the opponents defense offsides to get a free throw not is he able to hurry up the game. in my eyes he is a little too calm if you know what i mean...
if he whants to be a great quarterback in the nfl he has to make those changes on his own. my god- hes is a grown man and should start to act like one. maybe that was a good start in indy!!!
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It never ceases to amaze me, the ignorance and oversimplification of EVERYTHING WE TALK ABOUT. I'm so sick of hearing these regurgitations, it's just embarrassing. "He doesn't look at polaroids, he's TOO cool." I'm sure that if you two were on the sideline, everything would be peachy. Stop whining, support your QB, and try not to talk about things you have no idea about.

[FlaccoIsHot]

to be honest Joe is hardly ever shown on the sidelines. Occasionally they will show him talking on the phone to Hue or whoever is up there. This is one of the few times they showed him and I'm sure it was just b/c he was yelling at Cam. I don't necessarily think it was out of character for him. He is competetive and the playcalling was obviously pissing him off. I for one was glad to see it...I just wish I could see the video of it. To say that he never looks at the photos on the sideline is absurd, unless you are at every game and can see what he is doing every second he is on the sideline you don't know.

[ravenz_fan]

it is nice to see Flacco stand up for himself, while maybe it shouldnt happen during the game like that"even though i loved it" it does show flacco is trying to take this team to the next level, I am not sure if flacco is mature enough as a quarterback to take full charge like peyton does, but also i love flacco and respect what he does out there on the feild, if he sees an chance to make a play on the fly without cams consent then my hats off to joe

[RoflDogs]

I am SO SICK about this Polaroid thing. How do you KNOW that he is not looking at them???? Do you stand next to him the whole day??? Cameras are RARELY on Joe in the sidelines. There is an occasional one where he drinks Gatorade and talks to Cam and stuff, but that is about it. He is shown like 2-3 times on the sideline

[Pavli123]

Cam's playcalling was awful this year, I think once or twice a game is good to call a trick play. Well anyway he was horrible in Indy.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RoflDogs' date='24 January 2010 - 10:13 AM' timestamp='1264345998' post='349958']
I am SO SICK about this Polaroid thing. How do you KNOW that he is not looking at them???? Do you stand next to him the whole day??? Cameras are RARELY on Joe in the sidelines. There is an occasional one where he drinks Gatorade and talks to Cam and stuff, but that is about it. He is shown like 2-3 times on the sideline
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[i]I've[/i] seen him look at pictures and talk to coaches on the sideline when I've gone to the games. That's just me, though.

That aside, I think a big part of the problem with Cam is possibly the terminology when calling the plays; perhaps he's taking too long to relay the calls to Joe, and that's a large part of why Joe can't break the huddle until there's 10 seconds left on the play clock, hence why he also doesn't have time to audible.

I can honestly say I might've seen Joe get pissed on the sideline in his college days only once or twice, maybe a couple times more, but not that often; that's a sign that, if he's pissed, he has a damn good reason to be pissed!

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='24 January 2010 - 10:53 AM' timestamp='1264348407' post='349972']
[i]I've[/i] seen him look at pictures and talk to coaches on the sideline when I've gone to the games. That's just me, though.

That aside, I think a big part of the problem with Cam is possibly the terminology when calling the plays; perhaps he's taking too long to relay the calls to Joe, and that's a large part of why Joe can't break the huddle until there's 10 seconds left on the play clock, hence why he also doesn't have time to audible.

[b]I can honestly say I might've seen Joe get pissed on the sideline in his college days only once or twice, maybe a couple times more, but not that often; that's a sign that, if he's pissed, he has a damn good reason to be pissed![/b]
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Agreed. One thing I think Joe doesn't like is being held back. Joe might be a nice, laid back guy, but contrary to what some believe, he puts in a lot of effort and study, and wants to grow as much as possible. I think if he's not in a situation to make a call he can make, he's going to get a little bent... or a lot! hehe

I wonder what KC thought if he saw that.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='24 January 2010 - 11:08 AM' timestamp='1264349332' post='349976']
I wonder what KC thought if he saw that.
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Coach Keeler's not doing a whole hell of a lot on the sideline lately than yelling at the officials and letting his coordinators run the show (as opposed to being more hands-on earlier), so he'd probably just shrug it off. (Oh, Coach Keeler...)

[darklight1216]

I wish they had mic'ed Flacco up for this game instead of the Bengals game.
[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='24 January 2010 - 10:53 AM' timestamp='1264348407' post='349972']
[i]I've[/i] seen him look at pictures and talk to coaches on the sideline when I've gone to the games. That's just me, though.

That aside, I think a big part of the problem with Cam is possibly the terminology when calling the plays; perhaps he's taking too long to relay the calls to Joe, and that's a large part of why Joe can't break the huddle until there's 10 seconds left on the play clock, hence why he also doesn't have time to audible.

I can honestly say I might've seen Joe get pissed on the sideline in his college days only once or twice, maybe a couple times more, but not that often; that's a sign that, [b]if he's pissed, he has a good reason to be pissed![/b]
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Here's a reason: 20-3.

[jravens13]

I hate Cam. He has all these genius ideas for plays and schemes of what to do against opposing defenses, but fails to realize how simple the game is. Great O-line, Great RB, Great FB, Young QB, 1 WR, a TE that has to stay in and block, and a great Defense that can back the Offense up if they have to punt...Run the dang ball.

His man crush on Flacco is going too far. In every loss we had he gave up on the run, most times in the first half. I wish we would have hired Rex because he would be man enough to stand up to Cameron and tell him what kind of team we are built to be. Look at what the Jets did in SD. We followed that recipe against the Patriots and look what happened. I understand that we would have to throw the ball more than 10 times against the colts but... 37 drop backs to 18 runs is not going to beat the Colts, or most teams in the NFL.

[FlaccoIsHot]

let's be honest though....the jets were "successful" b/c nate kaeding missed 2 FG's. And Sanchez is no Flacco, the jets have to run the ball.

I don't disagree that cam should have stuck to the run against Indy. I really hate all the comparison's of Harbs and Rex...there's no point and there really is none. Both have been successful in their very young head coaching careers.

Cam is a big improvement over Cavanaugh and Billick offenses but there is a lot of room for improvement...Joe needs some weapons and some more freedom in the playcalling. It feels good to finally have a QB.