Plain And Simple Reason Why We Lost

[Mr Allen]

The corners did give the game away but the defence only gave up 16 points in reg. What pisses me off is that boller and billick could only muster 13 points against the worst team in the nfl. The buckeyes could beat the dolphins! Billick has to go! If he stays, he will get rid of Troy Smith just like he got rid of Derek Anderson cause he posses a threat to Boller. And to say Boller gives them the best chance to win is laughable. He must think we all are stupid; as if we dont see the talent difference between the 2 QBs. Smith has a quiker release, quicker feet, better field presence, a stroger arm and hes more accurate. To put in a QB, that has had little to no practice, in the 4th q with 0 time outs and have him march down the field to the goaline is pretty damn good. Most of your veteran QBs have a hard time doing it. Just ask yourself this, could Boller have done that?

[Sam]

Just so you all know I'm gonna do my best not to drop the f-bomb on billick at this very moment...yea our corners suck and there is no doubt in my mind that we would have won that game by a landslide with troy playing (provided with several 3 n outs and an interception by boller in the second half as opposed to 1:53 no timeouts = points on the board after chillin on the sideline all game from smith) and thats what this comes down to...billick again saving his beloved boller's starting position by restraining troy from throwing the ball on 3rd n long to get us into gimme fg position. Because when it came to calling that play he wasn't thinking about winning the game he was thinking - damn i can't let troy be THE ONE to get us that first down and the win cuz then I'd have to be hounded by fans and media if I don't bench my daughter's bf. well boo freaking hoo billick i hope you are happy now that you embarrassed us just to save the hide of boller AGAIN-----There are a million reasons why we lost but and I'm okay with most of them you have to accept it but this d-bag duo makes me want to vommit. I didn't enjoy a split second of that game until Troy got in. Troy is our future and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up slashing billicks tires even though he's got the greatest pride and personality on our team. Just because billick WOULD NOT ALLOW him to win the game for us.

YEAH!!!!!

PS: Billcik sucks & Ozzie & Steve messed up by saying Billick would be back next year = shame on you 2!!!

[purple_pride]

if he doesnt start troy then something is worng with that mans head! boller can not get the job. hes just like rex grossmen

[Sam]

if he doesnt start troy then something is worng with that mans head! boller can not get the job. hes just like rex grossmen

We lost because we are under acheivers & our couch sucks!

[bigmacattack2123]

Oh well, look at the bright side...we're the first team in NFL history (that I know of) to play two nfl teams in one day! Boller played the Dolphins (yea i dunno - some new expansion team or something?) and Troy gave us a show against the Olphins!!! pretty sweet...

[Mazda]

Oh well, look at the bright side...we're the first team in NFL history (that I know of) to play two nfl teams in one day! Boller played the Dolphins (yea i dunno - some new expansion team or something?) and Troy gave us a show against the Olphins!!! pretty sweet...

dats wat i said

[Ravens52]

It's hard to even talk about this game

[Ice]

Would YOU play up to your full potential after going through these past seasons under billick? I don't think anybody could

OMG are U not watching this guy ? he's making the most BONEHEADED coaching decisions I ahve ever seen .. Timeout on a play that would have SEALED a victory and the first loss to the Patriots .. the guy is a LOSER .. Get rid of em period !

[Mazda]

U fail, that was REX RYAN that called the time out

[72Marshall]

Just so you all know I'm gonna do my best not to drop the f-bomb on billick at this very moment...yea our corners suck and there is no doubt in my mind that we would have won that game by a landslide with troy playing (provided with several 3 n outs and an interception by boller in the second half as opposed to 1:53 no timeouts = points on the board after chillin on the sideline all game from smith) and thats what this comes down to...billick again saving his beloved boller's starting position by restraining troy from throwing the ball on 3rd n long to get us into gimme fg position. Because when it came to calling that play he wasn't thinking about winning the game he was thinking - damn i can't let troy be THE ONE to get us that first down and the win cuz then I'd have to be hounded by fans and media if I don't bench my daughter's bf. well boo freaking hoo billick i hope you are happy now that you embarrassed us just to save the hide of boller AGAIN-----There are a million reasons why we lost but and I'm okay with most of them you have to accept it but this d-bag duo makes me want to vommit. I didn't enjoy a split second of that game until Troy got in. Troy is our future and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up slashing billicks tires even though he's got the greatest pride and personality on our team. Just because billick WOULD NOT ALLOW him to win the game for us.

I was impressed with what Troy has done in the two short amount of times he has played, but lets not get carried away here. There is a better then 70% chance that he loses that game if he starts. The Dolphins might not know what to expect at the beginning of the game, but give them series or two and they would have figured out his tendencies. He would have been limited to a very small % of the playbook and the Dolphins would have put everyone on the line to stop the running game, and it would have been all on Troy to win it from the get go. There was a chance he could win, but a very small chance.

Boller played well in the first half, then the Dolphins figured him out and it showed in the second half, what do you think would have happen with Troy? He only had 7 minutes left in the game, you can run the ball a lot in 7 minutes to take the pressure off him, but you can't run the ball for 60 minutes and expect it to work. Sooner or later Troy would have to throw into coverage under pressure, I don't care how bad a team is their still an NFL team and Troy is just a rookie, bad things would have happen.

[purple_pride]

I was impressed with what Troy has done in the two short amount of times he has played, but lets not get carried away here. There is a better then 70% chance that he loses that game if he starts. The Dolphins might not know what to expect at the beginning of the game, but give them series or two and they would have figured out his tendencies. He would have been limited to a very small % of the playbook and the Dolphins would have put everyone on the line to stop the running game, and it would have been all on Troy to win it from the get go. There was a chance he could win, but a very small chance.

Boller played well in the first half, then the Dolphins figured him out and it showed in the second half, what do you think would have happen with Troy? He only had 7 minutes left in the game, you can run the ball a lot in 7 minutes to take the pressure off him, but you can't run the ball for 60 minutes and expect it to work. Sooner or later Troy would have to throw into coverage under pressure, I don't care how bad a team is their still an NFL team and Troy is just a rookie, bad things would have happen.

kyle = rex grossmen there both the same. good one week bad the next

[72Marshall]

The corners did give the game away but the defence only gave up 16 points in reg. What pisses me off is that boller and billick could only muster 13 points against the worst team in the nfl. The buckeyes could beat the dolphins! Billick has to go! If he stays, he will get rid of Troy Smith just like he got rid of Derek Anderson cause he posses a threat to Boller. And to say Boller gives them the best chance to win is laughable. He must think we all are stupid; as if we dont see the talent difference between the 2 QBs. Smith has a quiker release, quicker feet, better field presence, a stroger arm and hes more accurate. To put in a QB, that has had little to no practice, in the 4th q with 0 time outs and have him march down the field to the goaline is pretty damn good. Most of your veteran QBs have a hard time doing it. Just ask yourself this, could Boller have done that?

How does anyone take your post serious when you make childish accusations like Billick is getting rid of people to protect Boller, that's absolutely ridiculous.

First of all, Boller was the backup, and it was made very clear to everyone including Boller that he was the backup. Derek Anderson was put on the practice squad to make room for depth at another position, they had every intention of keeping him around.

Second, Troy Smith is an unproven talent. He may have been good in college, and may have done well the last couple weeks but that means nothing. If it wasn't for McNair getting hurt and just being washed up we would have never seen Boller or Troy this year.

[purple_pride]

How does anyone take your post serious when you make childish accusations like Billick is getting rid of people to protect Boller, that's absolutely ridiculous.

First of all, Boller was the backup, and it was made very clear to everyone including Boller that he was the backup. Derek Anderson was put on the practice squad to make room for depth at another position, they had every intention of keeping him around.

Second, Troy Smith is an unproven talent. He may have been good in college, and may have done well the last couple weeks but that means nothing. If it wasn't for McNair getting hurt and just being washed up we would have never seen Boller or Troy this year.

that is so true. well said man well said.

[Raven07]

acting in a childish way is no excuse for critisizing anyone on the team whether it maybe Coaches, players..whoever....Be a True fan here and support this team un-conditionally....and offer reasonable sense in making posts on here.

[purple_pride]

acting in a childish way is no excuse for critisizing anyone on the team whether it maybe Coaches, players..whoever....Be a True fan here and support this team un-conditionally....and offer reasonable sense in making posts on here.

i was talkin about the mcner gettin hurt part

[Raven07]

and i understand that with all do respect....im just stating how fans should take this game as well as this season overall, and LEARN from it and get better

[QuothTheRavenNevermore]

So...we ALMOST beat the patriots and ALMOST beat the dolphins...does that mean the dolphins are as good as the patriots? I'd like to think so.

[Raven07]

any team can be as good as the next...its just how the players present themselves that decides the outcome of a game

[Thundergod]

Yeah the defense sucks. They're missing their two starting corners and lost their best player.

It's all Billick and his main man Boller. I haven't seen a guy look that bad against blitzes since Bledsoe.

McAlister is still young and we still have Landry and Reed. I think the Ravens should really think about offensive linemen.

BILLICK HAS LOST THIS TEAM PLAIN AND SIMPLE..............HE DOESNT HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO WHY THEY ARE PLAYING THE WAY THEY ARE BECAUSE HE'S TOO ARROGANT TO SEE IT! THIS IS ALL ABOUT ONE MAN'S FAILURE...FAILURE TO PREPARE YOUNG PLAYERS TO BE ABLE TO START.......FAILURE TO PUT TOGETHER A COMPETANT COMPETITIVE GAME PLAN ON OFFENSE DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS GUYS ARE OUT THERE MAKING PLAYS SIMPLY ON GUT FEELING NOT BECAUSE BILLICK AND HIS STAFF DREW UP A GOOD PLAN OF ATTACK....BILLICK AND HIS WHOLE STAFF HAVE GOT TO BE PURGED FROM THE FRANCHISE IM SORRY GUYS THSI MEAN REX TOO HE HASNT ALTERED HIS GAME PLAN SINCE LOOSING CHRIS MCALISTER AND HE THINKS DERRICK MARTIN AND EVAN OGLESBY CAN DO THE JOB THE SAMARI AND CHRIS DID!! I SAY WE GO AFTER MIKE SINGLETARY HE IS THE KEY HE IS A PERFECT MATCH FOR THIS TEAM.

[Raven07]

there is no need to use all caps here...talk reasonable here, i mean the players have faith in him to pull this team around and they will also say that its not Billick because he's not out on the field playing.....its up to the players to make a play work properly and the right way.

[bmorefan80]

I still think its funny how I see the "It's not Billick's fault". here I'll make it plain and simple here for those people. He is the Head Coach, therefore anything and everything is gonna be on him. Do you think Steve Bisciotti takes it out on the team or the head coach? It is up to the Brian Billick(Head Coach) to motivate this team to get the job done! If there are fumbles, interceptions, or any type of bad pass, its Billick's fault. If those things are happening, then obviously thats not the right play to call. Lets just look at REALITY now here. Don't blame the players, because its easy to pick and choose. So the finger only should be pointed at 1 person here, and thats the Head Coach. You say players have faith in him? lol. Players call him out on national television!! Wheres the discipline for those players doing that? We lack in discpline on this team big time!! Another Head Coach problem!

I'm here to support my team, but look at it this way we've lost 8 games in a row, and still Billick doesn't have an answer why? It's obvious hes the problem if he can't see where the problem is. Would it be that laminated board he holds and calls? Theres no negatives turning into positives here at all.

To summarize all the posts here --->Brian Billick<---

Thats my fingers poiting.

[CaptainMorgan]

I am a huge supporter of Troy (OSU guy-he's the whole reason I'm now following the Ravens) and I love what I have seen from him so far. The problem with starting him now is that the last two games are against tough teams. I don't want Troy to feel like he has to win a game on his own and force himself into bad decisions. He definately cares about his team and would do whatever it takes to snap the losing streak to bring something back to the team, but its much more important at this point in the season to not ruin Troy Smith. Let Boller take the hit to his ego, since he sucks. Play Troy, but I'm still wary of him starting in these circumstances.

The injuries are the major problem on defense. I'm sure the defense will perk up when the guys get healthy and the younger guys get a little bit more experience under their belt (next year).

The one spot on defense that sounds like it could use a lot of improvement is the line. I didn't get to watch the game (no coverage here) but I've heard a lot of people mention that the other teams are having all day to throw. Picking up a top lineman on both sides of the ball in the draft may not be a bad idea. I would focus on the O line more though. Mcgahee has the potential to be a great running back and with a better O line the run game could really step it up a notch and make the QB not have to run for his life all the time. I haven't watched enough this year to know about the WR position or TE but it seems like a big play guy in one of those positions would help a lot as well.

Billick is not my favorite, and I would say go for it with Troy on the fourth down. He gives you so many options. Stuff it straight up on a sneak, or let him take the ball back and look for a pass or run it in. McGahee isn't a bad shot either at making that. So many good choices, but I understand the safe bet to take it into overtime. The thing that I do like about bringing Troy in right now is that he has the support of the team. Troy won't be leading any mutiny on the team since hes fighting for the respect to get a starting job and if he has everyone else following him that could bring the team back together.

The real test to see if Billick has what it takes to bring the Ravens back for next year will be in the draft. If the Ravens get some smart picks that work out they have a lot of potential.

[EnglishRaven]

Yeah the defense sucks. They're missing their two starting corners and lost their best player.

It's all Billick and his main man Boller. I haven't seen a guy look that bad against blitzes since Bledsoe.

McAlister is still young and we still have Landry and Reed. I think the Ravens should really think about offensive linemen.

' I agree, i feel that Troy Smith has to be QB. And I don't know if it s just me but Billick looks tired!

[PIG 20]

As much as I didn't want Troy to start this season (due to being a rookie), at this point I can't stomach another Kyle Boller session at QB.

We just lost to the worst team in the NFL. Does this now make us the worst team in the NFL? Maybe it does.

Troy Smith is a better QB. There is no doubt in my mind that he brings more to the table than Kyle Boller at this point. Even with the inexperience, Troy has a better "field presense" than Kyle does at this point. Not to mention that coming out of college, Troy accomplished 50 times more than Kyle ever did. Kyle had one good year at Cal and for some reason that put him in the first round. Troy won a Hiseman and had one of the best college QB careers of any college QB ever! He wasn't just a good college QB, he was a GREAT college QB.

Put it this way. Troy was put in at the end of the game to essentially "win" the game for us. So essentially you are asking a rookie to win the game in the last 5 or so minutes of regulation. And what does Troy Smith do? He pretty much does just that. Mark Clayton dropped two key passes and one of them was a touchdown pass. Granted it wasn't the best pass in the world but Troy put it between two defenders and it seemed as if it brushed right across Claytons chest. IMO, you catch that ball. Instead we settle for OT. Which IMO, WAS THE RIGHT DECISION! We won the toss, marched down the field and Stover missed a 44 yarder. That fits right along with how the season is going.

The only reason I could see starting Kyle at QB for the rest of the season would be so that we getter a better draft pick. Because I promise you that with Kyle starting, we will lose the last two games for sure. There is no doubt in my mind that Kyle has no shot at beating either the Seahawks or Steelers.

Not to mention that I am begging the Ravens to give us something to watch at this point. Even if Troy Smith comes in and doesn't win these last two games, I don't think there will be too many people complaining about it. I think there is a general consesus that Troy gives us the best offensive shot at winning another game.

We need to really evaluate what we have on our hands before the draft. I don't want to see this team waste a first round pick on a QB if we have one sitting on the bench! We need depth at other key positions as well. The secondary needs a lot of help. We could use a good 1st round cornerback for depth.

Man, I never thought that we would ever see a season like this. But here we are.

[PurpleReign07]

BILLICK AND HIS WHOLE STAFF HAVE GOT TO BE PURGED FROM THE FRANCHISE IM SORRY GUYS THSI MEAN REX TOO HE HASNT ALTERED HIS GAME PLAN SINCE LOOSING CHRIS MCALISTER AND HE THINKS DERRICK MARTIN AND EVAN OGLESBY CAN DO THE JOB THE SAMARI AND CHRIS DID!! I SAY WE GO AFTER MIKE SINGLETARY HE IS THE KEY HE IS A PERFECT MATCH FOR THIS TEAM.

Oglesby? He was cut and picked up by Dallas before the season started.

I agree that the secondary needs some EXPERIENCED back-ups. Martin, Pittman, Prude and Gaston are ALL young kids that have been thrown in the mix without getting the luxury of gaining experience with time, like MOST young CB's get, CB along with most positions have a learning curve. The NFL is a different caliber of football than college. So for all these posts saying these young kids "suck' is misguided and just flat out false. Currently the only experienced back-up is Cory Ivy. Martin was a late 6th round choice and both Prude & Gaston were undrafted. To blame the season on these kids is just wrong. This losing season was a combined effort of coaching, injuries, inexperience, and to an extent bad luck. I think the only people that expect the young guys to do the same job as McAlister & Rolle are the fans. Emotions are running rampant and human nature loves to place the blame on certain areas instead of looking at the big picture.

I feel bad for Troy Smith also, because from reading other posts, now the fans are putting all their faith on him. Thats a lot to carry for a young kid who has only played a few minutes in already bad situations. Now if he gets the start in Seattle and makes mistakes (as most young guys do), he will be the next one whose head fans unjustly will put on the chopping block. Thats a lot of pressure.

[CaptainMorgan]

As much as I can't stomach Kyle Boller either, and as much as I love Troy, I don't think the QB position can win either of the last two games. Not only is it a week Ravens offense going against decent defense, but any offense in the league right now is going to gash the Ravens (as proven at Miami). They just don't have the experienced personel on the field at this point, not to mention having no will to win after these let downs.

Thats why I'm not so broken up about Troy not getting the start. If the defense was healthy it would give him a real shot at doing something for his team, but as is I just hope Billick gives him a real shot next year.

[Desert]

The corners did give the game away but the defence only gave up 16 points in reg. What pisses me off is that boller and billick could only muster 13 points against the worst team in the nfl. The buckeyes could beat the dolphins! Billick has to go! If he stays, he will get rid of Troy Smith just like he got rid of Derek Anderson cause he posses a threat to Boller. And to say Boller gives them the best chance to win is laughable. He must think we all are stupid; as if we dont see the talent difference between the 2 QBs. Smith has a quiker release, quicker feet, better field presence, a stroger arm and hes more accurate. To put in a QB, that has had little to no practice, in the 4th q with 0 time outs and have him march down the field to the goaline is pretty damn good. Most of your veteran QBs have a hard time doing it. Just ask yourself this, could Boller have done that?

I still feel that the Titan's knew the real truth about how bad Mc Nair's health problems are. He gets hurt and is injured almost as much as McNab! This is why he got the boot!

Great QB in his day but until he gets his own head about retirement we will have the McNair/Boller mess to look at next year also!

Wait I see a a patern McNair/McNab almost as bad a McDonalds!...LMAO!

[Raven07]

lol THERE will be no McFlurry here!.....but seeing how Troy is coming along, and coming along very nicely....we can have our desert and eat it to.....just not right now

[CaptainMorgan]

So I found an AP article that said Troy took all the snaps for the first team Wednesday in practice. This leads me to believe that Boller may not be cleared to play and Troy really will get a chance.

Even when Billick said Boller was his guy, he said that was assuming hes ready to play. Billick was guessing that Boller would be ready the day after or the next day.

We'll see though. I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

[PIG 20]

So I found an AP article that said Troy took all the snaps for the first team Wednesday in practice. This leads me to believe that Boller may not be cleared to play and Troy really will get a chance.

Even when Billick said Boller was his guy, he said that was assuming hes ready to play. Billick was guessing that Boller would be ready the day after or the next day.

We'll see though. I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

Boller could not complete practice yesterday so there is a really good chance that Smith will get the start this week. Especially since they have to travel all the way to the west coast. They have very limited time to evaluate whether Boller is healthy enough to play or not. And you don't want a QB in the game (who takes a ton of hits) with lasting effects from a concussion.