Now That The Season Is Over..do You Believe Keyshawn's Bums?

[wvravensfan]

Now that the season is over do you believe what keyshawn said earlier in the season regarding our WR issue "You want a bum, You pay a bum"?? I believe in this just not for a few of them like mason Washington and if D. Will would a go more reps.... but Clayton ill say it straight up and the rest of them are bums you all can get mad and negative rep all you want but you know its true

[theFRANCHISE]

No, I wouldn't go so far as to say Keyshawn was right -- because that wasn't necessarily what lost us that game against the Colts. It was an overall team loss. Heck, to make it to the playoffs again with this same receiving corps was a victory unto itself.

[ravens27]

I love the Ravens, but our receivers were not all that this season. Mason was solid like always, but the rest of our staff was shaky.

Would Mark Clayton be a #2 on most teams? I don't think so.

If Mason retires, the only receiver I would bring back is Kelley Washington. Although he did not play a whole lot, he came up big when he needed to this season. He converted a lot of 3rd downs.

We have some work to do homework to do this off-season, but I think we will get it done and be even better next season.

PS - Keyshawn is a bum.

[Ed_Reed20]

Exactly. The same group of bums was part of a team that made the post-season two years in a row.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

I think blaming the receiving corp is casting to broad a net. Could we use a couple of better options for Joe to throw to? Yes, but as Franchise pointed out football is a team sport. You win as a team you, lose as a team. Too much goes on through the course of a game to point the finger at them for everthing, but it is fair to say we need better.

[Alexir]

I mean Keyshawn is a bum himself but I mean, Clayton and Williams will not be back here next year and probably wont crack a number 2 spot on any other teams. They have so much potential but they cant tap it.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='22 January 2010 - 12:21 AM' timestamp='1264137694' post='348888']
Now that the season is over do you believe what keyshawn said earlier in the season regarding our WR issue "You want a bum, You pay a bum"?? I believe in this just not for a few of them like mason Washington and if D. Will would a go more reps.... but Clayton ill say it straight up and the rest of them are bums you all can get mad and negative rep all you want but you know its true



[/quote]

I don't think the chronology has anything to do with whether or not I'd call a guy a bum - so season over or not, I don't think they are what I'd consider "bums". Maybe I'm old and think differently, but these guys work hard and aren't bums by any stretch of the imagination - they bust their rear ends for this team, our team. Are they all roster-worthy? Well that's a different question altogether.

Lack of effort makes a guy a bum. Lack of talent? That makes a guy a warehouse worker - but there's a lot of honorable, hard-working warehouse workers out there... I doubt people will say, "But Clayton is so talented and has performed so well!" but the guy isn't a bum. And no, we don't "know it's true" in reference to the wide receiving corps being made up of 'bums'. We do know they didn't perform as well as we'd like, except for Mason and Washington.

I think the powers that be need to give Mason some help and get him out of double-teams and take some attention off of him (hoping he doesn't retire, but I wouldn't blame him if he got no help this time around). I think Washington is good-to-go, but he's already looking for greener pastures. Beyond that, well, the roster is wide open.

[McBurks]

Everyone was trash this season except Mason.

[20ReedsAll]

I think everyone but Mason was trash. The group as a whole struggled to get open on a consistent basis. Honestly, I'd rather just have Clayton back, but as a number 3. I wanna see a new number 1 and 2 acquired this offseason. Wouldn't even mind given some of the young guys some reps at 4, like Harper or Riley.

[MagicianCamille]

People saying D. Will would be good with more reps are fooling themselves. If he deserved more reps he'd get more reps. Clayton's better, which is why he has that spot.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='22 January 2010 - 03:58 AM' timestamp='1264147110' post='348921']
People saying D. Will would be good with more reps are fooling themselves. If he deserved more reps he'd get more reps. Clayton's better, which is why he has that spot.
[/quote]
agree with that. i od not exactly know wha´t´s the thing with that guy. he is on the roster for a long time and doesn´t get a shot. it has to give a reason for that. we all whanted him to get more reps this season. he was not bad and not really good when he was in. also washington isn´t that good receiver everybody is thinking: i mean he came in for thirs downs against the slot corners. he is very good and made good conversions but i do not think that he is a consistant number one or two. mason is good but getting old and i doubt he will be on the team next year if there aren´t any changes made. he should be our nr.2 receiver- not that guy the whole defense is focused on!!!!
bottom line: i wouldn´t go as far and call them bums, but they aren´t much better. just average, and maybe even that is too high...

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='22 January 2010 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1264138428' post='348893']
Exactly. The same group of bums was part of a team that made the post-season two years in a row.
[/quote]

Are people still really using this line?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='22 January 2010 - 10:05 AM' timestamp='1264172752' post='348955']
Are people still really using this line?
[/quote]

What "line"? Isn't it true? I would've loved for the team to have won the Super Bowl the past two years but they didn't and I'm not going to say it was solely because of the receiver situation.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='22 January 2010 - 10:20 AM' timestamp='1264173636' post='348961']
What "line"? Isn't it true? I would've loved for the team to have won the Super Bowl the past two years but they didn't and I'm not going to say it was solely because of the receiver situation.
[/quote]

The front office fed us the garbage about having reached the AFCCG with Mason/Clayton/Williams etc. last offseason even though it was painfully clear then that the logic was faulty; now after this year, it's all but a certainty that we won't win the Super Bowl with our current crop.

We've pretty much gone as far as possible with Flacco considering his targets, so the notion of winning a Super Bowl with the same guys is loony.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='22 January 2010 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1264175232' post='348974']
The front office fed us the garbage about having reached the AFCCG with Mason/Clayton/Williams etc. last offseason even though it was painfully clear then that the logic was faulty; now after this year, it's all but a certainty that we won't win the Super Bowl with our current crop.

We've pretty much gone as far as possible with Flacco considering his targets, so the notion of winning a Super Bowl with the same guys is loony.
[/quote]

Trust me, no one was more frustrated that they didn't augment the receiving corps much before this season than. However, who was available? There were no major FAs to go after and the Broncos and Cards were asking too much for Marshall and Boldin.

And I don't think this current receiving group can win a Super Bowl. But I don't consider them "bums" the way Keyshawn does either.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='22 January 2010 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1264175232' post='348974']
The front office fed us the garbage about having reached the AFCCG with Mason/Clayton/Williams etc. last offseason even though it was painfully clear then that the logic was faulty; now after this year, it's all but a certainty that we won't win the Super Bowl with our current crop.

We've pretty much gone as far as possible with Flacco considering his targets, so the notion of winning a Super Bowl with the same guys is loony.
[/quote]

I concur... Ozzie's "logic" regarding our WR corp going into this season was flawed. The fact he didn't even take a flier on a WR in last year's draft was very disappointing, to say the least. If he neglects the WR corp again this off-season, which I doubt, we may have to start looking for a new GM; doesn't he want to go down and work for Alabama anyway?

[Ravnet]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='22 January 2010 - 10:54 AM' timestamp='1264175684' post='348977']
I concur... Ozzie's "logic" regarding our WR corp going into this season was flawed. The fact he didn't even take a flier on a WR in last year's draft was very disappointing, to say the least. If he neglects the WR corp again this off-season, which I doubt, we may have to start looking for a new GM; doesn't he want to go down and work for Alabama anyway?
[/quote]

Yeah, I agree, I'll give Ozzie a pass with an asterisk for last season considering all he has done for the organization, but the corps needs revamped so badly that Oz deserves a ton of heat if he doesn't significantly upgrade the group.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='22 January 2010 - 10:52 AM' timestamp='1264175549' post='348976']
Trust me, no one was more frustrated that they didn't augment the receiving corps much before this season than. However, who was available? There were no major FAs to go after and the Broncos and Cards were asking too much for Marshall and Boldin. [/quote]

My feelings aside, which are that the front office could have strained themselves by giving up draft picks/roster players in order to get a top tier receiver, we really do/did need a wide out like Marshall/Boldin, so I can definitely fault the front office for that as, without being too dramatic, our chances of winning the Super Bowl were reduced greatly.

I can especially be ticked considering that they didn't even attempt to bring in anyone; our biggest acquisition was a special teams player from New England.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='22 January 2010 - 10:54 AM' timestamp='1264175684' post='348977']
I concur... Ozzie's "logic" regarding our WR corp going into this season was flawed. The fact he didn't even take a flier on a WR in last year's draft was very disappointing, to say the least. If he neglects the WR corp again this off-season, which I doubt, we may have to start looking for a new GM; doesn't he want to go down and work for Alabama anyway?
[/quote]

I definitely agree that Ozzie should've drafted a receiver. Especially when out of six players drafted in 2009, only two players contributed in a major way and one got cut.

[TSizzle00]

WRs were part of the issue to why the Ravens didn't go all the way but penalties and stupid turnovers are just as important.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='22 January 2010 - 10:59 AM' timestamp='1264175965' post='348980']
I definitely agree that Ozzie should've drafted a receiver. Especially when out of six players drafted in 2009, only two players contributed in a major way and one got cut.
[/quote]

Well, I think Ozzie figured that bringing in another project receiver in the late rounds was futile as we already had Riley/Williams etc., and he had already decided not to go after Boldin/Marshall, but that just reinforces the point that we shouldn't have been in the draft predicament in the first place, and just acquired a primetime receiver before the draft.

Again, I'll give the front office the benefit of the doubt and assume that Boldin/Marshall etc. were out of reach, but there are no excuses this offseason.

[TSizzle00]

All will be forgiven WHEN Ozzie goes out and gets a WR

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='22 January 2010 - 11:04 AM' timestamp='1264176290' post='348987']
Well, I think Ozzie figured that bringing in another project receiver in the late rounds was futile as we already had Riley/Williams etc., and he had already decided not to go after Boldin/Marshall, but that just reinforces the point that we shouldn't have been in the draft predicament in the first place, and just acquired a primetime receiver before the draft.

Again, I'll give the front office the benefit of the doubt and assume that Boldin/Marshall etc. were out of reach, [b]but there are no excuses this offseason.[/b]
[/quote]

Nope. However, the CBA and "Final Eight" Rule could make things difficult. Not to say, they won't be able to do anything but they might have trouble signing a FA.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='22 January 2010 - 08:52 AM' timestamp='1264175549' post='348976']
Trust me, no one was more frustrated that they didn't augment the receiving corps much before this season than. However, who was available? There were no major FAs to go after and the Broncos and Cards were asking too much for Marshall and Boldin.

And I don't think this current receiving group can win a Super Bowl. But I don't consider them "bums" the way Keyshawn does either.
[/quote]


12 catches total in the playoffs...12. There is something wrong. I understand the NE game was skewed, but c'mon, 12 catches is disgraceful.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Mick0311' date='22 January 2010 - 11:33 AM' timestamp='1264177986' post='348996']
12 catches total in the playoffs...12. There is something wrong. I understand the NE game was skewed, but c'mon, 12 catches is disgraceful.
[/quote]

12 catches in two play-off games is an embarrassment. However, does all of that fall on them though? I'm not try to justify the lack of production but Flacco missed on some throws and the line had it's issue protecting him.

Regardless, the season is over. It ended on a really sour note. I'm sure management has learned it's lesson in regards to not addressing the receiver position more aggressively last off-season and they'll do a better job this year.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='22 January 2010 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1264176733' post='348991']
Nope. However, the CBA and "Final Eight" Rule could make things difficult. Not to say, they won't be able to do anything but they might have trouble signing a FA.
[/quote]

I don't think the Final 8 Rule prohibits trades, but I could be wrong... do we get compensation for Scott, Leonhard and Brown this year or did we already get it?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='22 January 2010 - 12:00 PM' timestamp='1264179617' post='349006']
I don't think the Final 8 Rule prohibits trades, but I could be wrong... do we get compensation for Scott, Leonhard and Brown this year or did we already get it?
[/quote]

You're right about "Final 8" rule not prohibiting trades. This is how the "Final 8" rule affects the Ravens according to the NFL.com:

[i]"Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.

There is a mechanism to permit the final eight teams to sign an unrestricted free agent for each one of their own unrestricted free agents who sign with another club as long as they don't spend more than what their own lost player received from his new club."[/i]

I don't know about the Ravens getting compensation though.

[FlaccoIsHot]

Yes 12 catches in the playoffs is pathetic. Yes Flacco missed some throws but don't forget about all the drops...DWill anyone???

It's also pretty telling when Clayton says to the media that we need a big play receiver...um Mark isn't that what we are paying you for???

[Alexir]

Let Clayton walk. We will be fine with Kelley, Derrick and some 3rd round pick. Remember our strength is our running game hence the back to back to back ravens pro bowl running backs.

07 McGahee
08 McClain (went in as fullback but he was our running back)
09 Rice

I get that you guys love Flacco and you love the deep ball but let's stick to what we have already. We dont need a Boldin or Marshall (who both had injuries this year like they had LAST year).

Look at other teams, you cant have a GREAT running game and a GREAT passing game. That being said we could use some new recievers, no one big or flashy but someone that can step in for what WE need in this offense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='FlaccoIsHot' date='22 January 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1264182701' post='349026']
Yes 12 catches in the playoffs is pathetic. Yes Flacco missed some throws but don't forget about all the drops...DWill anyone???

It's also pretty telling when Clayton says to the media that we need a big play receiver...um Mark isn't that what we are paying you for???
[/quote]

I wanted to fly to Indy and punch Williams in the face when he dropped that ball. I know Joe threw it early but he came out his break so sluggishly and barely tried to make the catch.

As for Clayton, if he's saying this team needs a big-play receiver, then he shouldn't be here. Guys like Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes and Steve Smith(Giants) are all roughly the same size as him but they consistently get separation and make plays.

I know Joe is only in his second year but Clayton has failed to step up too many times.

[FlaccoIsHot]

Exactly. I was shocked when I saw Clayton said that. He needs to go ASAP. That's why I think Flacco has done remarkedly well with what he has to work with.

Yeah D-Will just swatted at the ball. I can't remember if that was when Joe got pissed off on the sideline or not...loved pissy Joe