A Question About Receivers

[Ngata Chance]

Being from Canada, I am not exposed to Football as much as Hockey, so I have a question for those of you with more exposure and experience than me (which will be most of you).

Coming to this board, I see dozens of threads (soon to be hundreds, I am sure) about getting a new receiver for Flacco. This got me thinking about the Ravens getting a big name WR either by trade or through the draft.

The NHL team I watch got a big name guy last year, supposedly to compliment the big name star already on our team. Big numbers, big salary, it was supposed to be a match made in heaven, and they were supposed to give us a Stanley Cup. Turns out, there is 0 (zero) chemistry between the two of them. They are now on different lines, and the fans are all calling bust.

This leads to my question...

IF we were to get a big name WR, how much of a difference can chemistry make?

This is where my lack of knowledge and experience really shines though, because I don't know if having a good WR automatically equates to success. I remember hearing that they worked out DHB pre-draft last year, so I am assuming that it was to see if he and Flacco had any chmistry. If they were to get any of the big names being thrown around, and there was no chemistry between he and Flacco, is that something that can be remedied?

Sorry for being so wordy, being my first thread and all. I was just looking for some insight from other fans.

[McBurks]

Chemistry is everything.If you don't have chemistry you'll have a hard time moving forward as an offense and as a team.Flacco getting a reciever to work with in this offense would mesh great with the run game we have and that would generate more points.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='Simba' date='19 January 2010 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1263929513' post='346937']
Chemistry is everything.If you don't have chemistry you'll have a hard time moving forward as an offense and as a team.Flacco getting a reciever to work with in this offense would mesh great with the run game we have and that would generate more points.
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So it's boom or bust getting a WR for Flacco? Here's to hoping they pick the right one then.

Thanks for the reply.

[BMOREHAWAII]

I seemed like Mason and D-Will had a the most chemistry. I hate to say it, but more toward the end of the season it seemed that chemistry between Flac and Mason was slowly diminishing. Flacco used to be able telegraph his steps, even out of his routes but now it seemed someone has lost the desire. That and whomever we played took Mason out of the game on every drive...

[Ngata Chance]

Is there any way to work out a FA WR? Or are you just shooting blind when you offer the contract?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='19 January 2010 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1263932283' post='346985']
Is there any way to work out a FA WR? Or are you just shooting blind when you offer the contract?
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The players that usually come in for workouts are ones that are desperate to prove themselves like Kelley Washington and the other receivers the Ravens looked at last year.

Big-time receivers don't work out for their suitors.

[ravens27]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='19 January 2010 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1263929125' post='346930']
Being from Canada, I am not exposed to Football as much as Hockey, so I have a question for those of you with more exposure and experience than me (which will be most of you).

Coming to this board, I see dozens of threads (soon to be hundreds, I am sure) about getting a new receiver for Flacco. This got me thinking about the Ravens getting a big name WR either by trade or through the draft.

The NHL team I watch got a big name guy last year, supposedly to compliment the big name star already on our team. Big numbers, big salary, it was supposed to be a match made in heaven, and they were supposed to give us a Stanley Cup. Turns out, there is 0 (zero) chemistry between the two of them. They are now on different lines, and the fans are all calling bust.

This leads to my question...

IF we were to get a big name WR, how much of a difference can chemistry make?

This is where my lack of knowledge and experience really shines though, because I don't know if having a good WR automatically equates to success. I remember hearing that they worked out DHB pre-draft last year, so I am assuming that it was to see if he and Flacco had any chmistry. If they were to get any of the big names being thrown around, and there was no chemistry between he and Flacco, is that something that can be remedied?

Sorry for being so wordy, being my first thread and all. I was just looking for some insight from other fans.
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Whats your favorite hockey team, a lot of us here like the Caps.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='ravens27' date='19 January 2010 - 01:28 PM' timestamp='1263932900' post='346997']
Whats your favorite hockey team, a lot of us here like the Caps.
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Calgary Flames.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='19 January 2010 - 01:25 PM' timestamp='1263932728' post='346991']
The players that usually come in for workouts are ones that are desperate to prove themselves like Kelley Washington and the other receivers the Ravens looked at last year.

Big-time receivers don't work out for their suitors.
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Gotcha, thanks for the info.

[catty112]

Chemistry and trust seem to be the biggest intagibles for a wide receiver. For instance, there may have been cases where Clayton would be covered in less coverage than Mason but Flacco trusted Mason more and therefore would squeeze the ball to him over Clayton. I feel Flacco lost alot of trust when Clayton dropped that ball at the first Pats game.

[bce086]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='19 January 2010 - 02:42 PM' timestamp='1263930128' post='346948']
So it's boom or bust getting a WR for Flacco? Here's to hoping they pick the right one then.

Thanks for the reply.
[/quote]

Chemistry can also be built over time. They need to learn how Flacco plays the game, and Flacco needs to learn how they play the game.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='19 January 2010 - 02:29 PM' timestamp='1263932989' post='346999']
Calgary Flames.
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You must be talking about Jokinen then eh?

[Alexir]

It's a lot about chemistry surprisingly. I mean look what Kurt Warner can do with Fitzgerald and Boldin and look what Matt Leinart CAN'T do with Fitzgerald and Boldin. Or maybe that's just cuz he sucks.....anyways, yeah, Chemistry is everything so that's why I think we need to lose Clayton and re-sign washington. Also, like last year, maybe we bring Flacco to a college day and throw to some recievers like he did with Heyward-Bey

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 January 2010 - 12:44 PM' timestamp='1264016650' post='347756']
You must be talking about Jokinen then eh?
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LOL, you got it. He and Iggy were supposed to be great together.

[63bru]

Chemistry is big, but as long as both the quarterback and the receiver are willing to work at it, chemistry will certainly come. In a look at some of the blockbuster trades involving receivers in the past few years:

T.O. to the Eagles- He and McNabb tore it up. This was the only year McNabb played like an elite qb, and it all was because he had a great receiver to throw to. In retrospect, should they have gotten TO? No. But there is not a question that he improved their passing game exponentially.

Randy Moss and Wes Welker to the Patriots- Need I say more? Two top receivers, although Moss is a lazy baby at times. Still, I definitely don't think the Patriots regret that trade.

Roy Williams- Here is the exception to the rule. But lets be honest; he had only one good season in Detroit, so its not like he really had a big time precedent of success.

Note this isn't including free agent signings like Javon Walker. But the moral of this story; if a receiver has a precedent of lasting success and is willing to work to gain chemistry, then a trade is a great option. I have been a big proponent of a Marshall trade, but if Ozzie and co. don't think Marshall will work hard to create chemistry and learn the offense, I wouldn't pull the trigger.

[ed.s52]

i say that we pick up A. Bryant because i cant find any other way to put it except for the fact that he is simply a COMPLETE MONSTER even though his quarterback was Jeff Garcia who isn't an elite QB just as Flacco isn't yet.Bryant made plays from horrific throws and a decent QB which is a unique talent many elite receivers don't possess. For example, TO sucks complete D*** with Trent Edwards/Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing to him yet he was a MONSTER with D. McNabb and worse but still great with T. Romo. This is also why I would support trading for C. Johnson from the Lions or B. Marshall And the Chemistry component is the precise reason why I think we either get Brandon Marshall/C.Johnson or a receiver from the draft. They are young and hopefully as the new receiver (whether marshall or a rookie) learns and Flacco continues to learn they can develop together and blossom as an elite pair. It would be easier for him to develop chemistry with a younger player than a vet.

[FlaccoIsHot]

I think it's important that Ozzie gets whoever they are bringing in as early in the offseason as they can. From watching Harbs end of season press conference he said part of the plan for the offseason for Joe is to be throwing to receivers every single day starting March 15. I think Joe had a lot of chemistry with Washington, I hope they bring him back.