Merged: Ed Reed's Possible Retirement

[ttoney]

I would hate to see Ed Reed go but if he thinks its his time he definitely should go. He will missed among all Ravens Fans.


We love you Ed!

[varaven]

I know it is sad to think about ed retiring, but if he does is there a possibility of him coming back to the organization to be like a secondary coach or something? he was an excellent coach on the sidelines during the games he got hurt. any thoughts...

[theFRANCHISE]

He already stated to the Baltimore Sun that, if he were to retire, he'd be interested in coaching -- but at the college level first. The assumption would be that he'd go back to Miami, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't take a job elsewhere if it were attractive enough. LSU could be a possibility since he's from Louisiana.

[SaVaGe]

As much as we talk about this, Honestly how many great football players have you seen come back to teach their team? Odds are most likely not but if he does expect to wait 6 or so years

[ravens27]

I would like to see him as the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens in the future.

[RavensClaw52]

[quote name='ravens27' date='19 January 2010 - 06:08 PM' timestamp='1263938897' post='347097']
I would like to see him as the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens in the future.
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If not that then I wouldnt mind having him as a DC

[Chi_Town_Raven]

Not Ray Lewis as a DC? Lol, j/k, I already know.......

[RoflDogs]

You can't teach Ed Reed's instincts....

But player personnel wise, I believe that we should move Webb to FS and draft a corner. Since finding safeties like Ed Reed is more difficult than finding a good corner. I believe Webb is in the same exact mold as Ed, a hard-hitting ballhawker

[JO_75]

I was just thinking about this when I was reading about how Issac Bruce wants to be a WR coach in St. Louis. Reed would make a great secondary coach, but I'm sure he'll take a year or two off away from football before making a decision on coaching and where he wants to coach whether it be here with the Ravens, some other NFL Team, down in Miami or maybe go back home to Louisiana at LSU in college Football.

I could see him as a secondary coach here in a few years after he is retired. It would be awesome if after Ray and Ed Retire.... a few years from now(Stay ED!!!!) that Ed became our secondary Coach and Ray became our Defensive Coordinator or at least our Linebackers coach to start Ray off.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RoflDogs' date='19 January 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1263945388' post='347211']
You can't teach Ed Reed's instincts....

But player personnel wise, I believe that we should move Webb to FS and draft a corner. Since finding safeties like Ed Reed is more difficult than finding a good corner. I believe Webb is in the same exact mold as Ed, a hard-hitting ballhawker
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It's actually harder to find a good corner than a good safety; corners need to be as fast as receivers, if not faster, and need to have better acceleration and athleticism to keep up. Not only that, but they also have the new rules to contend with as well.

Now, it [i]is[/i] harder to find a safety [i]like[/i] Ed Reed, but generally not hard to find a good safety-- but that's because Ed Reed is a once-in-a-decade (if not lifetime) player, period.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='rayrayven' date='17 January 2010 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1263705351' post='344302']
It reminds me of Harry Carson always threatening retirement before LT showed up. Reed hates losing and playing on a mediocre team. Get some better players and he'll love it again. The offense is just horrible to watch under pressure.
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I disagree with your post. Everything I've read about Reed suggests that he is the ultimate team player. I truly believe that he is a Raven, and always will be. Hopefully, Ravens will improve the offense in the offseason and Reed will be back for one more try at the ring!

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Tighthead420' date='17 January 2010 - 09:10 AM' timestamp='1263737400' post='344668']
I have said it for years now....the Ravens are the best mediocre team in the league. They MAY make the playoffs season to season, and MAY completely fall apart. That's what average teams do. Elite, and even good teams will win often year in and year out. The Ravens are not there...period.

As for Reed, I kind of saw it coming. He is the best safety ever, but I am really sick of his fumbles.
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Back-up your comment that you are "sick of his fumbles" with stats. Reed is the best safety to play the game, everyone makes poor decisions in ball control - but Reed def makes great plays more often than not.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' date='19 January 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1263946157' post='347229']
Back-up your comment that you are "sick of his fumbles" with stats. Reed is the best safety to play the game, everyone makes poor decisions in ball control - but Reed def makes great plays more often than not.
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Well, he's had something like 3 or 4 fumbled laterals in the past two or three years, I believe, and ball security (or lack thereof) was why Pierre Garcon was able to punch the ball out from his hands. I know defenders don't often get the ball in their hands, so you can't entirely fault them, but basic ball security and making good judgments with the ball in your hands is fundamental stuff taught since pee-wee football.

Though you can't tell a playmaker to stop making plays, my heart drops every time I see a lateral because it's almost expected that he'll do so and it hasn't resulted in a score since 2006. I think the risk of his laterals outweigh the reward, and I would much prefer for him to take the ball to the ground with him than try to have a fellow defender pick up extra yardage. Additionally, I'd like to see him work on his ball security in the offseason since he's the one defender that's gotten the ball in his hands more than any other defender on this team.

[RavensClaw52]

No one complains when Ed successfully laterals the ball for an extra 15-20 yards but when he occasionally fumbles by george hes an idiot.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1263946490' post='347236']
Well, he's had something like 3 or 4 fumbled laterals in the past two or three years, I believe, and ball security (or lack thereof) was why Pierre Garcon was able to punch the ball out from his hands. I know defenders don't often get the ball in their hands, so you can't entirely fault them, but basic ball security and making good judgments with the ball in your hands is fundamental stuff taught since pee-wee football.

Though you can't tell a playmaker to stop making plays, my heart drops every time I see a lateral because it's almost expected that he'll do so and it hasn't resulted in a score since 2006. I think the risk of his laterals outweigh the reward, and I would much prefer for him to take the ball to the ground with him than try to have a fellow defender pick up extra yardage. Additionally, I'd like to see him work on his ball security in the offseason since he's the one defender that's gotten the ball in his hands more than any other defender on this team.
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Don't forget his lateral to Landry in the NE game where Landry gained an additional 20+ yards.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' date='19 January 2010 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1263947158' post='347250']
Don't forget his lateral to Landry in the NE game where Landry gained an additional 20+ yards.
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But before that lateral, when was the last one that had a gain over an additional 5 yards?

[Ed_Reed20]

Ed Reed may have played his last game as a Raven and are we talking about laterals? Come on guys.

I could talk how much I don't want Reed to retire and all the jaw-dropping plays he's made over the years but Peter King put it best in his MMQB Divisional Play-off wrap-up:

[i][b]"I really hope Ed Reed doesn't retire.[/b]

You want to see great players make great plays in big games like these. Well, I do anyway. Reed had the most compelling three minutes any player has had in a while against the Colts on Saturday night. In the span of six plays on the same drive in the third quarter (technically, they are two different drives because of the change of possession and then the change back within seconds), Reed twice intercepted Peyton Manning. The first pick he fumbled back to the Colts. The second interception was negated because of a pass-interference call against nickel back Corey Ivy and robbed the Ravens of their last chance to get back in the game.
Reed, 31, said after the game a nerve impingement in his neck may force him to retire. "You'll know soon enough,'' he said. That would be sad for football, because this is the best ball-hawking safety of our time (maybe ever), and the most instinctive defensive back of this era. Intercepting Manning twice in a span of six plays ... that's absolutely stunning. And it's no fluke.
On the first play, a long throw down the right sideline for a seemingly open Pierre Garcon, Reed stayed in centerfield (well, maybe right-centerfield) until he saw Manning bring his arm forward, which is a different motion than Manning's pump-fake, and then sprinted in front of Garcon to intercept the ball. Obviously, by Reed not protecting the ball and getting it punched out by Garcon on the return, the Ravens took a big hit.

But five plays later, Reed did the same thing in straight-away center, on a ball I'm surprised Manning threw. With Ivy in tight coverage on Dallas Clark, Manning tried to squeeze a line drive into Clark; there was some jostling, a flag was thrown on Ivy, and then Reed stepped into the picture and picked Manning again. The interference wiped it off the books.

Someday, if Manning stays healthy for six or seven more years (a big if), we might be talking about him as the greatest quarterback of all time. If you talk to corners and safeties around the league, they'll tell you he's virtually un-baitable. That's what makes Reed, who has studied the difference in mechanics between Manning's pump-fakes and his real throws, so special. Even though one of them didn't count, I don't think you'll ever see such a great quarterback as Manning picked twice by the same guy on such instinctive plays.

If Reed retires, it'll be like some of the greats who went out in their prime -- Otto Graham, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, etc. "I've been thinking about it often, and I'm thinking about it now,'' a stone-faced Reed said quietly in the Ravens' locker room. I'm not sure Manning would miss Reed, but the game certainly would."[/i]

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='19 January 2010 - 07:34 PM' timestamp='1263947682' post='347256']
Ed Reed may have played his last game as a Raven and are we talking about laterals? Come on guys.
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I'm in denial, that's why I'm talking about laterals.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 06:14 PM' timestamp='1263946490' post='347236']
Well, he's had something like 3 or 4 fumbled laterals in the past two or three years, I believe, and ball security (or lack thereof) was why Pierre Garcon was able to punch the ball out from his hands. I know defenders don't often get the ball in their hands, so you can't entirely fault them, but basic ball security and making good judgments with the ball in your hands is fundamental stuff taught since pee-wee football.

Though you can't tell a playmaker to stop making plays, my heart drops every time I see a lateral because it's almost expected that he'll do so and it hasn't resulted in a score since 2006. I think the risk of his laterals outweigh the reward, and I would much prefer for him to take the ball to the ground with him than try to have a fellow defender pick up extra yardage. Additionally, I'd like to see him work on his ball security in the offseason since he's the one defender that's gotten the ball in his hands more than any other defender on this team.
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I dont want to be a stickler here, but put yourself in Ray, Ed, and Suggs position. Since all 3 of them have been here collectively (2003) Ray probably took both of them aside and was like "look to win big games, against good teams, we not only need to force turnovers but we need to [b]score[/b]when we get turnovers, our offense isnt going to score more than 14 on their own". That trend hasnt changed to this day, which is why you see Ed so desperate to score, trying to run through arm tackles, lateraling the ball, and setting up blocks on Int returns. Ed's fumbling is a product of having an absolutely god awful offense for 9 years that he, and the rest of the defense cant rely on to win big games, or even meaningful games.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 07:38 PM' timestamp='1263947927' post='347261']
I'm in denial, that's why I'm talking about laterals.
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LOL! I think we all are a bit. How weird would it be to go through an entire season without #20 playing center-field?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='19 January 2010 - 07:48 PM' timestamp='1263948486' post='347274']
LOL! I think we all are a bit. How weird would it be to go through an entire season without #20 playing center-field?
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Like all of the seasons before he joined the league?

[hammer]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 January 2010 - 10:08 AM' timestamp='1263737331' post='344667']
Why do people keep saying that we played so much better without Reed? We played the Packers (gave up 27), Steelers (23 points to a team that lost to the Browns and Raiders), Lions and Bears. Are two games against bottom feeders really that convincing?
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Being that I really don't want this dialouge to digress into something which tarnishes Ed's "All-World" status, I am not going to try to justify my thoughts with stats or criticism.

However, it just appeared (to me) that the secondary began to, at least look, like a cohesive unit when Ed went down.

Prior, they were miscommunicating on almost every play, leaving recievers wide open for big plays. Ed, I think was trying to cover the whole field instead of trusting his team-mates. Just my observation, that's all.

Ed's still one of the All-Time NFL Greats though.

[wayne]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='19 January 2010 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1263948319' post='347271']
I dont want to be a stickler here, but put yourself in Ray, Ed, and Suggs position. Since all 3 of them have been here collectively (2003) Ray probably took both of them aside and was like "look to win big games, against good teams, we not only need to force turnovers but we need to [b]score[/b]when we get turnovers, our offense isnt going to score more than 14 on their own". That trend hasnt changed to this day, which is why you see Ed so desperate to score, trying to run through arm tackles, lateraling the ball, and setting up blocks on Int returns. [b]Ed's fumbling is a product of having an absolutely god awful offense for 9 years that he, and the rest of the defense cant rely on to win big games, or even meaningful games.[/b]
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Exactly, you think Ed would be making these desperate mistakes if he were on a O like the Colts? It's like Flozell Adams with his false start penalties, I can accept the small negatives for the greater good those players bring to the game!