Changes In Coaching

[12th man]

I have been chatting with memebers here about the coaches and what i think would be a change in the coaching staff this season to help improve. I would say Hue jackson, of course he might be leaving anyway but i think we need a new QB coach for Flacco. Hue is good but if you look at his life of work it's been more for the Offence ,Rb etc i think Joe needs someone who specialies in QB coaching. Joe has no mentor to pick there brains and i think it would be of benifite if he had a vet to show him the ropes but he doesn't so i suggest finding him a real QB coach. This is Hue body of work since 2002, he did college and he did help carson palmer in college but no professioal nfl QB coaching experience.Here is his body of work.Joe needs a real QB coach
2001-2002
Redskins (Running back coach)
2003
Redskins (offencive coordinator)
(running back coach)
2004-2006
bengals (Wide reciever coach)
2007
Falcon ( offensive coodinator)
2008-present
Baltimore Ravens
(Quarterbacks Coach)

[Bltravens]

Hue is a great coach, wait to see what we do with a legit receiver first before making any coaching changes.

[ROH522155]

Our coaching staff is fine the way it is. Hue Jackson is a GREAT coach and it would it would be dumb to let him go......If I hear ONE person say we need to get rid of coach Harbaugh I'm gonna flip.

[12th man]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='18 January 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1263847163' post='346163']
Our coaching staff is fine the way it is. Hue Jackson is a GREAT coach and it would it would be dumb to let him go......If I here ONE person say we need to get rid of coach Harbaugh I'm gonna flip.
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How can you say jackson is a great QB coach?? What great job of QB coaching has he done?? I'm not saying anything about any other coach but the one i think really need to look at is the one most need and the QB ,for Joe to grow we need someone to help him grow does he have a vet QB to learn from ? No. so the coach is it and i think hue jackson isn't qualified to be head QB coach over his nfl coaching span he has never been QB coach so in say that how can you justify him being head QB coach. If it was for offence coodrinator than maybe but not QB coach. He doesn't specialize in QB coaching we need a coach that specializes in Quarter back not just offence and running backs come on people.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='12th man' date='18 January 2010 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1263848116' post='346169']
How can you say jackson is a great QB coach?? What great job of QB coaching has he done?? I'm not saying anything about any other coach but the one i think really need to look at is the one most need and the QB ,for Joe to grow we need someone to help him grow does he have a vet QB to learn from ? No. so the coach is it and [b]i think hue jackson isn't qualified to be head QB coach over his nfl coaching span he has never been QB coach so in say that how can you justify him being head QB coach.[/b] If it was for offence coodrinator than maybe but not QB coach. He doesn't specialize in QB coaching we need a coach that specializes in Quarter back not just offence and running backs come on people.
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If our organization thought Hue was qualified to be a quarterbacks coach, what gives YOU the right to say he isn't? I guarantee you he won't be going anywhere because coach Harbaugh and our front office know that they have a great quarterbacks coach contrary to what you think.

Edit- To anybody else who is thinking of using the "because he is an American thats why" comment please spare me

[12th man]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='18 January 2010 - 04:00 PM' timestamp='1263848436' post='346173']
If our organization thought Hue was qualified to be a quarterbacks coach, what gives YOU the right to say he isn't? I guarantee you he won't be going anywhere because coach Harbaugh and our front office know that they have a great quarterbacks coach contrary to what you think.
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Just going off his body of work and what he has done in his coaching career. But hey maybe your right i guess they saw something in him to put him in charge of the Qb but for the life of me I'm not seeing it. when i think of a qb coach i think of someone that has actually coached quarterback either in college or professional kinda like this coach Mike McCarty this is his body of work pretty good has alot of qb coaching experience and is now head coach. We need someone with some creditials like this for joe only the best.
While two of the biggest names he has worked with, Favre in Green Bay and Joe Montana in Kansas City, were at or beyond their peak years at the time, McCarthy has played at least a part in the development of signal callers Aaron Brooks, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Rich Gannon and Elvis Grbac.

The entire stable of quarterbacks that McCarthy has worked with, which also includes Jeff Blake, Steve Bono, and Dave Krieg, has combined for 34 career Pro Bowl selections, nine Super Bowl starts, and six Most Valuable Player awards.

McCarthy's newest protege to rise to a starting role is Rodgers, who was drafted in the first round in 2005. General Manager Ted Thompson heavily weighed McCarthy's track record with quarterbacks when he hired him the following year, knowing that while the post-Favre era was inevitable, the right tutelage at the game's most important position would be key to a smooth and successful transition. Now tell me why can't we find someone like this for joe??? we need QB help in all aspects of it starting at the topp

[Alexir]

We need to hire Eric Taylor from the East Dillion Lions as our QB coach.

[12th man]

[quote name='Alexir' date='18 January 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1263849820' post='346198']
We need to hire Eric Taylor from the East Dillion Lions as our QB coach.
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ROFL

[reediddy]

RETAIN THE COACHING STAFF!! If we can get better defensive personnel Mattison will succeed, and Hue Jackson is absolutely necessary. We don't want Flacco turning into Jason Campbell

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' date='18 January 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1263852261' post='346230']
RETAIN THE COACHING STAFF!! [b]If we can get better defensive personnel Mattison will succeed[/b], and Hue Jackson is absolutely necessary. We don't want Flacco turning into Jason Campbell
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I would say Mattison succeeded this year.

[Dubs]

Not trying to say Mattison didnt do well this year but Mike Nolan is out of Denver and i truly think he is one of the best defensive coordinators in the league. If Ozzie and the FO want more star power in the coaching staff and felt something was lacking i would bring Nolan in. Personally i want Nolan back cause i have a major man crush and is a 34 genious but Mattison did well and I would ask Mattison if he wanted a 'demotion' or not then go from there.

[JoeFlax]

our coaches are fine

[jonnyloback76]

I don't think Flacco needs anything; just because I don't know of a coach that teaches elusiveness and actual game pressure. Flacco just needs more experience and more touches of the ball.

I am still standing by the FACT that Cameron coached both Brees and Rivers - BOTH of them went on to throw for a thousand more yards AFTER Cameron wasn't coaching them any more.

In the past I always heard 'you can't become a one dimensional team and pass on every down' (or whatever it was, LOL) - I think that might have changed a lot. Most teams (no where near all) seem to have a brick wall built, at the line of scrimmage now adays on defense. So, a QB is needed that can be agile, make decisions, and throw the ball well - outside of the hip, Flacco does two of those three things, just because he doesn't seem to have the option to do the middle one. If they don't start giving Flacco more plays, I for odd reason see a young QB, that is EXTREMELY talented, going to another team - which I REALLY don't want to happen. He is talented, has a great attitude, looks like a Raven, appears humble; he just (excuse me for a second) [b]NEEDS A COACH (COORDINATOR) THAT WILL DRAW UP MORE PLAYS DESIGNED FOR HIM!!!!! [/b]

How did Rivers and Brees feel at certain points? That's the thing that is kind of the most obvious, almost down to IDENTICAL STATS for the years under Cameron. Cameron looks ground oriented and tries to build an offense around the FB, HB, some scramble plays, and then dump plays. Brees and Rivers were in the mid-3000s when they were being coached by Cameron (I think Rivers had one additonal year) - then Brees goes to New Orleans and throws for over four thousand yards. Then Cameron goes to the Dolphins, they didn't have any running backs (except Ronnie Brown) and look at what the 07 Dolphins did. But AFTER Cameron went to the Dolphins, a year later, Rivers threw for over four-thousand yards; just like Brees. One quarterback I could overlook as a Fluke, but not two - especially Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Mike Nolan was been released from Denver! lets bring him back home!!!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/18/defensive-coordinator-nolan-leaving-broncos/

[ROH522155]

For his first season, Greg Mattison did a phenomenomal job. Why try to fix something that isnt broken?

[admartian]

I personally want Chucky/Gruden as Joe's QB coach.

Would definitely add moxie.

[BaltimoreBoh]

[quote name='12th man' date='18 January 2010 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1263848116' post='346169']
How can you say jackson is a great QB coach?? What great job of QB coaching has he done?? I'm not saying anything about any other coach but the one i think really need to look at is the one most need and the QB ,for Joe to grow we need someone to help him grow does he have a vet QB to learn from ? No. so the coach is it and i think hue jackson isn't qualified to be head QB coach over his nfl coaching span he has never been QB coach so in say that how can you justify him being head QB coach. If it was for offence coodrinator than maybe but not QB coach. He doesn't specialize in QB coaching we need a coach that specializes in Quarter back not just offence and running backs come on people.
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He coached a rookie QB to the AFC Championship game. Who else has done that???

The coaching staff should remain as is for now. Matti got the D on track in the 2nd half of the season. I thought some of Cameron's game plans were vanilla this year, but I'd like to see how he does next year with some better receivers.

Let's focus on the real needs like some weapons for JOE!!!

[Bltravens]

As much as I loved Nolan when he was our DC in Baltimore, Mattison equaled what Nolan did here in Baltimore...with LESS talent. Think about the guys we have on defense now and think of the guys Nolan had on defense then and its staggering. Nolan was here for 3 years as our DC, 2002 (19th in points, 22 in yards: Massive cap purge though) 2003(6rd in points, 3th in yards) 2004(6th in points, 6th in yards). Mattison in 2009( 3rd in points, 2rd total yards).

Nolan's starting Lineup.................................Mattison's Starting Lineup

Marques Douglas(age 26).................................Dwan Edwards (age 27)
Kelly Gregg (age 27)....................................Kelly Gregg (age 33)
Anthony Weaver(23)......................................Haloti Ngata (age 25, pro bowl)

Peter Boulware(age 29, pro bowl)............................Jarrett Johnson (age 28)
Ed Hartwell(25)..............................................Dannell Ellerbe (age 24)
Ray Lewis (age 28, pro bowl).............................Ray Lewis (age 34, pro bowl)
Adalius Thomas (age 26, pro bowl)...........................Terrell Suggs (age 27)
Terrell Suggs (age 23, rookie, 12 sacks ROY award)

Chris McAlister (age 26, pro bowl)......................Domonique Foxworth (age 26)
Gary Baxter (age 25)....................................L. Webb, F.Wash, C.Carr
Cory Fuller (age 32)....................................Dawan Landry (age 27)
Ed Reed (age 25, pro bowl)..............................Ed Reed (age 31, pro bowl)

Nolan's Sack/Int Totals.................................Mattison's Sack/Int Totals

47 sacks-24 Ints..........................................32 sacks- 22 Ints

Now you tell me who had more talent to work with? My answer is Nolan, and with less talent and less pass rush Mattison still put up a better yardage defense and an equal points defense. I hated what Mattison was doing weeks 1-5 too, but Mattison pulled it together and we were the #2 defense in the league in total yards and #3 in points allowed. My vote Mattison stays. And remember Nolan was with Baltimore before the NFL started handing offenses free yardage.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='BaltimoreBoh' date='18 January 2010 - 08:08 PM' timestamp='1263863296' post='346400']
[b]He coached a rookie QB to the AFC Championship game. Who else has done that??? [/b]

The coaching staff should remain as is for now. Matti got the D on track in the 2nd half of the season. I thought some of Cameron's game plans were vanilla this year, but I'd like to see how he does next year with some better receivers.

Let's focus on the real needs like some weapons for JOE!!!
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The Jets QB coach. And the Steelers QB coach from 04

[BaltimoreBoh]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='18 January 2010 - 08:20 PM' timestamp='1263864041' post='346409']
The Jets QB coach. And the Steelers QB coach from 04
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My point is that he deserves to keep his job. None of the coaches deserve to be fired. IMO Harbaugh deserves an extension now. Matti and Cameron both deserve another season as do the other coaches.

[ZRayvenZ]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='18 January 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1263848436' post='346173']
If our organization thought Hue was qualified to be a quarterbacks coach, [b]what gives YOU the right to say he isn't?[/b] I guarantee you he won't be going anywhere because coach Harbaugh and our front office know that they have a great quarterbacks coach contrary to what you think.
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My guess would be,,cause posters an [b]American[/b]. This is still America, although sometimes i have doubts lately.
I think Jackson should go also. He's ruining Joe, JMO.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' date='18 January 2010 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1263870333' post='346513']
My guess would be,,cause posters an [b]American[/b]. This is still America, although sometimes i have doubts lately.
I think Jackson should go also. He's ruining Joe, JMO.
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I knew the moment I typed that that some smarty pants poster was going to say that......Im trying to think of a good way to reword the phrase but what I originally said is all I can think of.

[ravens27]

Zorn is available.

Zorn helped Matt Hasselbeck turn into a franchise QB when he was the QB coach in Seattle from 2001-2007.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='ravens27' date='18 January 2010 - 10:38 PM' timestamp='1263872327' post='346545']
Zorn is available if we want him.

Zorn helped Matt Hasselbeck turn into a franchise QB when he was the QB coach in Seattle from 2001-2007.

I'm not saying Zorn would be a great choice, but he did help Hasselbeck.
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No

[ravens27]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='18 January 2010 - 10:40 PM' timestamp='1263872440' post='346549']
No
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I'm trying to think of a good coach out there, who has worked with a great QB. I cant think of that many.