Did Anyone Else Notice The Things Flacco Doesnt Do On The Sideline

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='emcdonald0' date='18 January 2010 - 06:10 PM' timestamp='1263856228' post='346290']
First match up against the Colts, Flacco threw that pick over the middle that pretty much sealed the game for the Colts.

Anyways more blame is put on the receivers than Flacco, which is definitely understandable because we are lacking, but our passing game in the beginning of the season was outstanding. Alot of factors play into this. A few being our extremely basic (predictable) play calling, Flacco's injury, poor pass protection, and poor route running by receivers. Personally, more of the blame is to be put on Cam than anyone else at this point, but of course that's my totally unprofessional opinion.
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I agree with a lot of what you said why should Cam take most of the blame for the offensive woes? Teams adjusted to the Ravens as the season went on and players besides Mason, Rice and Heap simply didn't emerge as consistent playmakers in the passing game.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 January 2010 - 06:15 PM' timestamp='1263856502' post='346295']
I agree with a lot of what you said why should Cam take most of the blame for the offensive woes? Teams adjusted to the Ravens as the season went on and players besides Mason, Rice and Heap simply didn't emerge as consistent playmakers in the passing game.
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even then Heap was up and down because he had to block and teams focus on Mason. We all know Clayton is never open.

[dbs78]

i cant blame flacco,look what hes working with and cam isn't helping him. how can he excel when all we do is run the ball and throw 5 yard screens to ray rice. my opinion is cam needs to either let flacco have some freedom like he did last year and early in the season or cam needs to go. every team in the nfl knows we're a run first team. ray rice is awesome but we need to be more balanced or every team is just gonna focus on stopping rice. joe is a great quarterback, 3-2 in the playoffs in only his second season, im not complaining.

[JoeCool#5]

[quote name='emcdonald0' date='18 January 2010 - 06:10 PM' timestamp='1263856228' post='346290']
First match up against the Colts, Flacco threw that pick over the middle that pretty much sealed the game for the Colts.

Anyways more blame is put on the receivers than Flacco, which is definitely understandable because we are lacking, but our passing game in the beginning of the season was outstanding. Alot of factors play into this. A few being our extremely basic (predictable) play calling, Flacco's injury, poor pass protection, and poor route running by receivers. Personally, more of the blame is to be put on Cam than anyone else at this point, but of course that's my totally unprofessional opinion.
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Yeah Flacco got away with that one, kinda like Payton on the next possession, the play where it hits the dude in the hands on the way to him trying to make a big hit. It should have been a pick 6 if he was paying attention to the ball. That would have changed the game dramatically.

I agree with you about Cam. Cam's playing calling has been vanilla at times, especially when defenses take away Mason and limit Rice. He tends to go away from the running game when they are behind by a score even if its in early in the 2nd half. There is plenty of time in the game.
Also when Joe gets sack a number of times or has a 3rd and Long, Cam instead of setting up screens to deter blitzing, often goes max protect, keeping the TEs in. Sending out just 2 receivers that are blanketed by 4 CBs, and 3-4 Line Backers who are waiting for the check down out of the backfield cause thats what they will give up. This leaving only 3-4 pass rushers which still find a way to the QB weither it be around the outside or delayed blitz or Joe just not getting rid of the ball.

Yeah its a nightmare as far as playing calling. Offense needs work but alot of potiental, Rice is a proven stud, Blind side is solid (but needs to work on those stupid penalities) and Joe (needs to work on his accuracy and his decision making.) The Ravens Offense will be fine with some more additions and if Mason doesnt retire.

[Flacco-the-Unitas]

We all know Flacco needs a valid target to throw to. He had the time in the pocket but no one got open except for Rice and Mason on occasion. Flacco is great for his second year, not worse then the first. Last year people could actually CATCH the ball. You put any other QB in his position and ask yourself is the same results wouldn't have happened. I can be the greatest QB ever, but if I have no WR to throw to unless the coverage is so tight that it might be intercepted, is my performance really going to be that stellar. Take the pass happy teams that threw to get where they did, Colts, Pats, Cincy, Jets, Vikings- people actually know who their WR are because they CATCH the ball and get open, not because they cost a ton of stupid PI penalties and drop the ball.

[BmoreLAT52]

[quote name='kidrock' date='18 January 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1263833217' post='345962']
What the heck is with all of the Flacco hating. No, the guy isn't a superstar and may not ever become one; however, an 88.9 rating (13th in the league) with 3600 yards and 21td(12ints)in his second season???? What more do you want people. The guy is above average in his second season coming out of a AA school. Plus he has the worst receiving corps in the league. Give him someone who can get open for crying out loud. Sure, he under throws many deep balls and makes terrible decisions from time to time, but he has nothing to work with. We have a run blocking line and pathetic receivers. It would be nice if our receivers could bail him out from time to time, like out jumping someone for a ball. Just once, how about our receivers make a play on a bad ball.

I dont even like Flacco all that much, I dont think he is that good yet, but jeez people, cut him some slack. SECOND year in the league. Look at how Brady performed, or Romo, or Rivers, or Palmer. All of these guys are older than FLacco AND have better receivers.
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I completely agree. But I also think he needs to step it up in the playoffs, he's had horrible numbers even against non-elite defenses he creamed in the regular season (Dolphins, Pats)

[beasy2487]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='17 January 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1263779649' post='345572']
If you watched the game, which im sure a lot of you did...Did any of you notice that when flacco mess's up or its a 3 and out he goes to the sideline and just walks around and drinks Gatorade and hits people on the helmet...[b]Yes i also noticed him and Cam getting into it so maybe something is changing in flacco[/b]...But [b]all QBs study[/b] when they are on the sideline even Sanchez the dirty bum does it but not flacco i love him to death but this off season he has to start becoming the leader [b]3-4 years in the league your not considered a kid no more[/b] and he is going to have to carry this team on his shoulders at some point and not count on ray rice all the time...
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OK. I'm gona try not to fly off the handle here, because I'm just as frustrated as you are, but really?!

Try to look at this objectively. We came into this season with one major question, will our receivers develop or will they peak and not be able to help Flacco?

You can tell that Joe was obviously yelling at Cameron about the plays that were being called because he wasn't being put in a position to succeed. If our guys can't get open down field then we need to throw in some wrinkles to change the coverage, and we stopped doing that late in the season. The second play of the game call an end-around to clayton which he breaks for 9 yards and that's the only trick play we call in the game? What?

Flacco is not Peyton Manning. He doesn't call his own plays. He didn't CREATE the offense that he's running, so stop expecting him to be Peyton. Manning didn't have this kind of team success in his first 2 years so I like the the direction we're going with Flacco right now.

In direct response to that post:

You're right, ALL QBs STUDY. How can you watch TV and expect them to show every second of everything that goes on down on the sidelines especially in a game where they're salivating over Manning. They don't care about Joe Flacco, unless he does something out of character like, hm, YELL AT CAM CAMERON, so that's what they show. "Look at Quiet Joe Flacco studying on the sideline.." Not gona happen. Have you ever listened to one of Joe's interviews or press conferences? This kid didn't even celebrate his bday because he was doing what? STUDYING. Studying is all this kid does.

3-4 years you're not a kid anymore? Correct. And since Flacco is just now finishing is SECOND SEASON, and if all had went according to plan it probably wouldn't even have been his 1st full season starting, I think he's doing just fine for a 2ND YEAR KID.

Don't depend on Ray Rice all the time? On offense, he was all we had. Runs opened up for McGahee because teams were preparing for Rice. The only reason we won the Steeler game that ended up keeping us in playoff contention was Ray Rice. HELL YES DEPEND ON RAY RICE. And besides, once again, CAM calls the plays, Flacco just tries to execute them. And I'd say he does pretty well considering what he has.

Final point, the NFL is a multi-billion dollar competitive organization. They pay people a lot of money to dissect each team, highlight weaknesses, and take away comfort from offenses. As the season rolls on every team gets something exposed and has to adapt or fall off. We adapted pretty well for most of the year but we got to a certain threshold and just couldn't break the glass ceiling. We lost to the Colts coming off a month of rest with PEYTON MANNING at the helm, AND our defense didn't do half bad.

London Bridge isn't falling down, we lost, it happens.

[RivenHale]

...perfectly said.

[H8R]

Well, after watching a bunch of games I had saved from earlier in the year. It's very EVIDENT that after the Minnesota game ( his injury) everything changed since then. He has a rocket for an arm and is clear he was unable to step into throws. It almost laughable the difference in his mechanics and from then to now. He will be back next year and healthy. Now, the Oline needs to keep him off his back. Ozzie needs to find a way to get a playmaker for this kid.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='H8R' date='19 January 2010 - 10:09 AM' timestamp='1263913772' post='346731']
Well, after watching a bunch of games I had saved from earlier in the year. It's very EVIDENT that after the Minnesota game ( his injury) everything changed since then. He has a rocket for an arm and is clear he was unable to step into throws. It almost laughable the difference in his mechanics and from then to now. He will be back next year and healthy. Now, the Oline needs to keep him off his back. Ozzie needs to find a way to get a playmaker for this kid.
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Good stuff H8R. I know highlights don't say it all but I went back and watched some of his highlights from earlier in the year and he definitely looked different.

Hopefully, he hits the weight room hard to get bigger and stronger and comes into TC ready to go to a Super Bowl.

[ratpack]

Joe's laid back style is just what a QB needs, but I was impressed that he showed some competativeness when speaking with Cam on the sideline. Joe just needs to learn to read faster, and he certainly needs a quicker release. Too much winding up on pass mechanics. I suggest he study old film of Dan Marino, probably the fastest release ever. He put up big numbers every year even when he didn't have the best receiving corp. And present day QB's are still trying to catch his records. It'll come for Joe, but he has to want it bad enough, and needs some weapons.

[bmore_07]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='17 January 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1263779649' post='345572']
If you watched the game, which im sure a lot of you did...Did any of you notice that when flacco mess's up or its a 3 and out he goes to the sideline and just walks around and drinks Gatorade and hits people on the helmet...Yes i also noticed him and Cam getting into it so maybe something is changing in flacco...But all QBs study when they are on the sideline even Sanchez the dirty bum does it but not flacco i love him to death but this off season he has to start becoming the leader 3-4 years in the league your not considered a kid no more and he is going to have to carry this team on his shoulders at some point and not count on ray rice all the time...
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That's because FLACCO is a below average NFL quaterback and the RAVENS must repalce him ASAP or we will have a repeat of the Boller years. Most Ravens fans are in denial - but FLACCO is perhaps the worst QB in the NFL currently.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='bmore_07' date='19 January 2010 - 08:39 PM' timestamp='1263951571' post='347311']
That's because FLACCO is a below average NFL quaterback and the RAVENS must repalce him ASAP or we will have a repeat of the Boller years. Most Ravens fans are in denial - but FLACCO is perhaps the worst QB in the NFL currently.
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Support such generalizations with facts, please.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 08:40 PM' timestamp='1263951647' post='347316']
Support such generalizations with facts, please.
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Well he was 10th of 12 in post-season passing yards so there's that. He was also below average in interceptions thrown so that's something...

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='19 January 2010 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1263952434' post='347335']
Well he was 10th of 12 in post-season passing yards so there's that. He was also below average in interceptions thrown so that's something...
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No, I want to know how it's justified that he's "the worst QB in the NFL currently" and is a repeat of Boller.

I don't see Flacco fumbling every snap or stepping on his linemen's toes (or tripping himself up on his own toes, for that matter), or airing the ball deep and getting picked off every single time or fumbling on every sack he took.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Flacco will break a few records of the Ravens next season in his third year...he already has more wins,1300 yds away from most yds all time,16 tds away from all time td's,has a 61.7 completion percentage,averages only 12 ints in 2 years,(hell as much as i love Brett Favre the man averages over 16 a season) kinda can't see how that makes him a bad qb

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1263952847' post='347345']
No, I want to know how it's justified that he's "the worst QB in the NFL currently" and is a repeat of Boller.

I don't see Flacco fumbling every snap or stepping on his linemen's toes (or tripping himself up on his own toes, for that matter), or [b]airing the ball deep and getting picked off every single time[/b] or fumbling on every sack he took.
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That one scares me because it's happening more and more. When he threw that deep pass in Indy I just knew it was going to get picked.

That said, Boller is just on a whole different level.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='19 January 2010 - 07:15 PM' timestamp='1263953747' post='347360']
That one scares me because it's happening more and more. When he threw that deep pass in Indy I just knew it was going to get picked.

That said, Boller is just on a whole different level.
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But...

Was that:
1. Flacco
2. His Receivers
3. Indy

(Or a little bit of all 3?)

[FlaccoFlicker]

jesus Flacco been sacked 68 times in 2 years

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='19 January 2010 - 09:11 PM' timestamp='1263953500' post='347352']
Flacco will break a few records of the Ravens next season in his third year...he already has more wins,1300 yds away from most yds all time,16 tds away from all time td's,has a 61.7 completion percentage,averages only 12 ints in 2 years,(hell as much as i love Brett Favre the man averages over 16 a season) kinda can't see how that makes him a bad qb
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Not only that, but how is that possibly worst in the league?

Not JaMarcus Russell? Not Brady Quinn? Not Derek Anderson? Not Daunte Culpepper? Not Kyle Orton? Not the Turnover Machine, Jay Cutler? Not the entire Tampa Bay Buccaneers' QB corps? Not Kyle Boller himself?

The elite QBs flirt with or surpass 4,000 passing yards, but Flacco falls only 400 yards short of 4,000 in only his second year and he's suddenly the worst ever?

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1263954236' post='347367']
Not only that, but how is that possibly worst in the league?

Not JaMarcus Russell? Not Brady Quinn? Not Derek Anderson? Not Daunte Culpepper? Not Kyle Orton? Not the Turnover Machine, Jay Cutler? Not the entire Tampa Bay Buccaneers' QB corps? Not Kyle Boller himself?

The elite QBs flirt with or surpass 4,000 passing yards, but Flacco falls only 400 yards short of 4,000 in only his second year and he's suddenly the worst ever?
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and only fell 29 yds short in his rookie season to join Peyton and overhyped Ryan as only rookies to throw for 3000 yds,and he didnt get that because he was pulled in a blowout

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='19 January 2010 - 09:20 PM' timestamp='1263954035' post='347364']
But...

Was that:
1. Flacco
2. His Receivers
3. Indy

(Or a little bit of all 3?)
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Flacco; that is my final answer.
[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1263954236' post='347367']
Not only that, but how is that possibly worst in the league?

Not JaMarcus Russell? Not Brady Quinn? Not Derek Anderson? Not Daunte Culpepper? Not Kyle Orton? Not the Turnover Machine, Jay Cutler? Not the entire Tampa Bay Buccaneers' QB corps? Not Kyle Boller himself?

The elite QBs flirt with or surpass 4,000 passing yards, but Flacco falls only 400 yards short of 4,000 in only his second year and he's suddenly the worst ever?
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Calm down, Franny. You're going to give yourself an aneurysm.

[s]We all know[/s] Most of us know that no one can possibly compete with J-Marc. Now most NFL fans do think that Joe is "overrated". I personally don't understand that, since no one rates him highly, even most Baltimore fans, but whatever... You can't win everyone over.

What's wrong with Orton? He seems at least average, to me.

[J-man]

[quote name='bmore_07' date='19 January 2010 - 08:39 PM' timestamp='1263951571' post='347311']
That's because FLACCO is a below average NFL quaterback and the RAVENS must repalce him ASAP or we will have a repeat of the Boller years. Most Ravens fans are in denial - but FLACCO is perhaps the worst QB in the NFL currently.
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Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaha. Funniest post of the year. I know someone who hasnt got over the fact we lost to Indy. Dude, get over it. We can't make the Superbowl every year. Just another troll I guess. Plus, I can name 20 quarterbacks who have started this year that are worst then Flacco.

[Kevin Williams]

I am not sold on Flacco yet. Maybe it is the ghost of quarterbacks past that haunts me but in my opinion Flacco is going to have to earn my admiration. A 45.02 average QB rating in the playoffs keeps the skepticism alive. 8 Ints to one TD wont put him in the ring of honor.

[admartian]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='20 January 2010 - 01:53 PM' timestamp='1263952434' post='347335']
Well he was 10th of 12 in post-season passing yards so there's that. He was also below average in interceptions thrown so that's something...
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Ok, so where does he rank amongst [u][b][size="6"]32[/size][/b][/u] quarterbacks?

For your "argument" to make any headway then he has to [i][b]at least[/b][/i] be compared against ALL of his peers.

The fact that it only counts in the post-season, almost invalidates your reasoning altogether.
[quote name='Kevin Williams' date='20 January 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1263960995' post='347455']
I am not sold on Flacco yet. Maybe it is the ghost of quarterbacks past that haunts me but in my opinion Flacco is going to have to earn my admiration. A 45.02 average QB rating in the playoffs keeps the skepticism alive. 8 Ints to one TD wont put him in the ring of honor.
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The problem is the whole offensive system - not Flacco. Or at least definitely not him, and him only.

It's quite clear a lot of people are still extremely bothered by the loss. But the real problems don't lie with our QB.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Kevin Williams' date='19 January 2010 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1263960995' post='347455']
I am not sold on Flacco yet. Maybe it is the ghost of quarterbacks past that haunts me but in my opinion Flacco is going to have to earn my admiration. A 45.02 average QB rating in the playoffs keeps the skepticism alive. 8 Ints to one TD wont put him in the ring of honor.
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He definitely hasn't played his best ball in the post-season. However, how many second-year QBs have played in 5 play-off games? And it's not like he's gotten much help in those games. I'll never forget watching stand in the pocket against Pittsburgh last year waiting for people to get open. And let's not forget the receicers dropping 6 passes against Indy.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='admartian' date='19 January 2010 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1263961749' post='347459']
Ok, so where does he rank amongst [u][b][size="6"]32[/size][/b][/u] quarterbacks?

For your "argument" to make any headway then he has to [i][b]at least[/b][/i] be compared against ALL of his peers.

The fact that it only counts in the post-season, almost invalidates your reasoning altogether.

The problem is the whole offensive system - not Flacco. Or at least definitely not him, and him only.

It's quite clear a lot of people are still extremely bothered by the loss. But the real problems don't lie with our QB.
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I don't think that you were getting my "argument." I know that Flacco's above average, if only slightly in some statistics. You have to stretch to make him below average. I used the post-season stats beacause narrowing things down to 12 is probably the only way to get him in the bottom two in any category... well I suppose games lost could have the same effect, but I'd have to do more research and that would be like work.

To be fair, the interceptions were compared to 31 other quarterbacks in the league. Flacco seems to be a bit below average at 17th (tied with Ben R. Orton, Brees, and Smith). Of course, there's no shame in throwing a few less ints than everyone else.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 January 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1263952847' post='347345']
No, I want to know how it's justified that he's "the worst QB in the NFL currently" and is a repeat of Boller.

I don't see Flacco fumbling every snap or stepping on his linemen's toes (or tripping himself up on his own toes, for that matter), or airing the ball deep and getting picked off every single time or fumbling on every sack he took.
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Ah the Boller trifecta, once he got that out of the way he was halfway decent. FLACCO WAS HURT. the line got him BEAT UP, his receivers are AVERAGE on a good day AND the team got to the post season 2 years in a row. It was the defense you say, well that D was here in 2007 no playoffs and McNair.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='19 January 2010 - 11:36 PM' timestamp='1263962177' post='347461']
He definitely hasn't played his best ball in the post-season. However, how many second-year QBs have played in 5 play-off games? And it's not like he's gotten much help in those games. I'll never forget watching stand in the pocket against Pittsburgh last year waiting for people to get open. And let's not forget the receicers dropping 6 passes against Indy.
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Additionally, if every QB's overall performance was judged by their performance in the postseason, Peyton Manning would be downright mediocre, having bombed in half his playoff games while doing well in others.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='20 January 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1263965556' post='347478']
Ah the Boller trifecta, once he got that out of the way he was halfway decent. FLACCO WAS HURT. the line got him BEAT UP, his receivers are AVERAGE on a good day AND the team got to the post season 2 years in a row. [b]It was the defense you say, well that D was here in 2007 no playoffs and McNair.[/b]
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Despite their respectable 6th ranking in overall defense, the Ravens were 22nd in points allowed in 2007.