Flacco's Performance

[Rinbee]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' date='17 January 2010 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1263777537' post='345521']
That's just sad. You don't know the difference between waste and waist? Since and sense? I'm glad you're not in charge.
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That's right, pick on spelling and ignore a valid point. number of wins means nothing if one of them is not attached to a Lombardi trophy. Regardless of you opinion of Flacco there is too much attention being put on him. "Let's give away the farm to get an elite receiver to make JOE look good, but ifnore the fact that we have pro bowlers in the backfield." Today, we win when we run. Let's be happy about that and allow Joe to develop naturally instead of trying to force him into a start role. Maybe that's on Cam more so than Joe, but let's win with our strengths as we develop our weaknesses.

[chucky]

I think Flaco has a lot of skills but am concerned about the play book. Does it have more then 4 pages. Run Rice-Run Rice-Run Rice-Pass to Mason. I feel the problems with Ravens offense starts at the bench with offensive coordinator. This is the guy that calls the plays.

[Alexir]

I blame the play calling. LJ and Heap are 2 great recieving tight ends and we didnt really utilize the two tight end sets. Flacco excelled in the no huddle, yet we didnt run that either. Kelley Washington showed up every game, yet Mark Clayton got all the snaps as the number 2.

Im officially done with Mark Clayton. Tossed his jersey right after the game. Flacco will be fine but we got to give him some weapons but at the same time he has A LOT of time to toss the rock so he should be able to look good with the weapons he has.

Hopefully Harper will find his hands cuz he is a great route runner.

[12th man]

[quote name='Alexir' date='18 January 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1263837069' post='346017']
I blame the play calling. LJ and Heap are 2 great recieving tight ends and we didnt really utilize the two tight end sets. Flacco excelled in the no huddle, yet we didnt run that either. Kelley Washington showed up every game, yet Mark Clayton got all the snaps as the number 2.

Im officially done with Mark Clayton. Tossed his jersey right after the game. Flacco will be fine but we got to give him some weapons but at the same time he has A LOT of time to toss the rock so he should be able to look good with the weapons he has.

Hopefully Harper will find his hands cuz he is a great route runner.
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I agree with ya totally we have so many underutalized talent it makes me sick.Whatever happened to putting out two TE alot of teams do this, criss croos them in the middle of the field i know joe or cam doesn't like to throw in the middle but in the NFL you have to!!!No huddle was great but we never use it until it's too late to matter yesterday they finally used it at the 5 min mark how mush good would that do. They should have came out after the half and did no huddle ,shoot gun, run it, slants fast pace keep colts on there toe but no all we did was the same old thing.

[12th man]

[quote name='Rinbee' date='18 January 2010 - 11:08 AM' timestamp='1263830934' post='345938']
That's right, pick on spelling and ignore a valid point. number of wins means nothing if one of them is not attached to a Lombardi trophy. Regardless of you opinion of Flacco there is too much attention being put on him. "Let's give away the farm to get an elite receiver to make JOE look good, but ifnore the fact that we have pro bowlers in the backfield." Today, we win when we run. Let's be happy about that and allow Joe to develop naturally instead of trying to force him into a start role. Maybe that's on Cam more so than Joe, but let's win with our strengths as we develop our weaknesses.
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Ok so you say let's not pressure Joe and to be happy and let him develpo, I'm all for that but than Cam shouldn't throw joe under the bus and make him throw when he's not ready ,than yesterday game should have been a running game so not to force Joe into something he's not ready to step up and do.I'm all for winning with our strenghts just don't know why cam can't figure it out.

[skypilot]

you can blame play calling---flacco not reading defenses- and reocurring mistakes--they are professional football players who need to step up and take the brunt of the responsibility? if they had played with the intensity they did against the pats you would be waiting for the ravens and jets game next sunday?

[Twoo]

[quote name='Alexir' date='18 January 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1263837069' post='346017']
I blame the play calling. LJ and Heap are 2 great recieving tight ends and we didnt really utilize the two tight end sets. Flacco excelled in the no huddle, yet we didnt run that either. Kelley Washington showed up every game, yet Mark Clayton got all the snaps as the number 2.

[b]Im officially done with Mark Clayton. Tossed his jersey right after the game. Flacco will be fine but we got to give him some weapons but at the same time he has A LOT of time to toss the rock so he should be able to look good with the weapons he has.[/b]

Hopefully Harper will find his hands cuz he is a great route runner.
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I put my authentic ($289) Clayton Jersey in my fire pit in my back yard during the BYE week. I'm so done with him it's not even funny.

[edreedfromtheu]

Okay, so... what is the point in getting new wide receivers? We have amazing talent in the run game and we REFUSE to run the ball. So if we get amazing talent at the receiver position, are we going to use them?

If we're not going to use the talent we have, then there's no point in getting more talent. Cam Cameron needs to go away. It was atrocious that we lost ANOTHER game to the Colts because we refuse to run the ball.

Same story, every year. At least next season, I don't have to worry about seeing it unless the Ravens meet the Colts in the playoffs. FINALLY!

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='18 January 2010 - 03:10 PM' timestamp='1263841848' post='346083']
Okay, so... what is the point in getting new wide receivers? We have amazing talent in the run game and we REFUSE to run the ball. So if we get amazing talent at the receiver position, are we going to use them?

If we're not going to use the talent we have, then there's no point in getting more talent. Cam Cameron needs to go away. It was atrocious that we lost ANOTHER game to the Colts because we refuse to run the ball.

Same story, every year. At least next season, I don't have to worry about seeing it unless the Ravens meet the Colts in the playoffs. FINALLY!
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playing the colts is a tough task..every offensive possession is critical bc you know Manning will probably at least get his team 3 pts if not 7..so when we face other teams we might have the luxuary of establishing the run but with the colts (ecspecially the colt defense we saw saturday night) we had to pass early and then before you knew it we were down and that's never a good recipe for running the ball..

Our defense effectiveness against a team determines our ability to run the ball...unfortunately we've never been truely effective against Manning...so..

[JEEPercreepermd]

I'm getting real sick and tired of this angst against Flacco. Joe Flacco is a SECOND YEAR QB. Get off of his back people. There isn't much he can do with an atrocious receiving corps, and a O-line that STILL needs it's hand to be held against GOOD Defenses, forcing their great receiving TE to stay in and block.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' date='18 January 2010 - 02:31 PM' timestamp='1263843061' post='346109']
playing the colts is a tough task..every offensive possession is critical bc you know Manning will probably at least get his team 3 pts if not 7..so when we face other teams we might have the luxuary of establishing the run but with the colts (ecspecially the colt defense we saw saturday night) we had to pass early and then before you knew it we were down and that's never a good recipe for running the ball..

Our defense effectiveness against a team determines our ability to run the ball...unfortunately we've never been truely effective against Manning...so..
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I'm just stunned at people's inability to accept the FACT that the Colts are just a superior team at this moment in time. THAT is the reason the Ravens lost. The Colts strengths are the Ravens weaknesses: We can't stop Manning, so they force us into passing the ball and we can't stop their pass rush. With Oher at LT the last time we played them, the Offense moved the ball outside of the red zone because we were able to stop the pass rush. Also, their D has enough speed to not allow Rice to find the edges for long gains. There were a few runs the other night that would have normally gone for ATLEAST 20 yds against other teams but were stopped short because of Indy's ability to persue the ball.
IMO Freeney against an injured Gaither was a disasterous mismatch that should have never happened.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Rinbee' date='18 January 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1263830934' post='345938']
That's right, pick on spelling and ignore a valid point. number of wins means nothing if one of them is not attached to a Lombardi trophy. Regardless of you opinion of Flacco there is too much attention being put on him. "Let's give away the farm to get an elite receiver to make JOE look good, but ifnore the fact that we have pro bowlers in the backfield." Today, we win when we run. Let's be happy about that and allow Joe to develop naturally instead of trying to force him into a start role. Maybe that's on Cam more so than Joe, but let's win with our strengths as we develop our weaknesses.
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Did you even read what I was responding to? Do you realize what you're calling a "valid" point? Let me show you what I was responding to:

"We're waisting away Ray and Ed's final years on flacco's watch...either get somebody in here that can get us over the hump or keep waisting our veteran players time..."

Is that a valid point to you?

I agree that we should have stuck to the run in the Colts game. I'm not just happy about our backfield, I'm happy about other players too, including Joe Flacco. I understand that you have to be patient with a QB, it's comments like the one above that get me angry. A few people want to give up on Flacco, as if we don't have a mediocre at best receiving core. They want to judge him based on only his bad games, and I'm sick of it. He's a second year QB and he needs more weapons. Too much negative attention is being put on him.

I'm not saying we should "give away the farm," but our primary need is receivers. This will open up the run game for us, which is already strong. But you can't win without a good passing game, unless your defense is really that phenomenal.

[Alexir]

I just think its retarded to only run the ball 17 times when All 3 of our Running backs have been back to back to back pro bowlers since 2007. I mean seriously, when was the last time one of our Receivers went? Exactly.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='18 January 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1263856971' post='346304']
I just think its retarded to only run the ball 17 times when All 3 of our Running backs have been back to back to back pro bowlers since 2007. I mean seriously, when was the last time one of our Receivers went? Exactly.
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They were down 14 points after half-time. Running the football wouldn't have made much sense, especially against a good offense like the Colts'. And this wasn't '06 when the team was gaining good chunks of yard on every run. Rice gained 27 yards on his first 10 rushes and McGahee and McClain gained 5 yards on 2 rushes in the first half. The Colts were stuffing the run.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' date='18 January 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1263852268' post='346231']
Did you even read what I was responding to? Do you realize what you're calling a "valid" point? Let me show you what I was responding to:

"We're waisting away Ray and Ed's final years on flacco's watch...either get somebody in here that can get us over the hump or keep waisting our veteran players time..."

Is that a valid point to you?

I agree that we should have stuck to the run in the Colts game. I'm not just happy about our backfield, I'm happy about other players too, including Joe Flacco. I understand that you have to be patient with a QB, it's comments like the one above that get me angry. A few people want to give up on Flacco, as if we don't have a mediocre at best receiving core. They want to judge him based on only his bad games, and I'm sick of it. He's a second year QB and he needs more weapons. Too much negative attention is being put on him.

I'm not saying we should "give away the farm," but our primary need is receivers. This will open up the run game for us, which is already strong. But you can't win without a good passing game, unless your defense is really that phenomenal.
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lol

so we should just judge him on his games against the bears and lions...and forget about his inability to do anything in BIG MEANINGFUL GAMES...smh


I don't know if you know but all playoff games are pretty big....so he can't have this deer in the headlight look every big game or guess what....No championship

hypothetical question for all...

How much longer do you give flacco to change some of these bad habits...you know the check downs, the getting flustered with the first hint of pressure, the underthrowing deep recievers?

As I said I'm willing to give him a couple more years if the FO can get a better Wr Corp....but right now we have a championship caliber defense and run game...we're "WASTING" it.lol

[I AM LEGEND]

*wonders how many people thought Kyle Boller would eventually "get it"*


Sometimes it just never comes guys....

*prays Flacco eventually gets it*

[admartian]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' date='19 January 2010 - 11:59 AM' timestamp='1263859146' post='346347']
*wonders how many people thought Kyle Boller would eventually "get it"*


Sometimes it just never comes guys....

*prays Flacco eventually gets it*
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Are you serious?

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

I'm really tired of reading all the negative posts about Flacco. Everytime our O fails to perform, we blame Flacco. I thought the playcalling in the Colts game was pathetic. I think that was the first time I ever saw Joe arguing with Cam on the sideline. I'm not sure why the run game was not successful, guess the Colts run defense excelled against us, again. Our receivers are suspect, and not successful in getting open. More than anything, Joe needs a big, tall WR to throw to downfield. We know he has the arm to make those downfield throws, but he doesn;t have a receiver to make the catch. Why did we draft Joe and not give him a big WR? Doesn't make sense to me. I question Cam's playcalling in the Colts game. Seemed to be very vanilla to me. Anyway, we have the offseason to look forward to improving the receivers and we should be hopeful for a great season next year.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' date='18 January 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1263858865' post='346343']
lol

so we should just judge him on his games against the bears and lions...and forget about his inability to do anything in BIG MEANINGFUL GAMES...smh


I don't know if you know but all playoff games are pretty big....so he can't have this deer in the headlight look every big game or guess what....No championship

hypothetical question for all...

How much longer do you give flacco to change some of these bad habits...you know the check downs, the getting flustered with the first hint of pressure, the underthrowing deep recievers?

As I said I'm willing to give him a couple more years if the FO can get a better Wr Corp....but right now we have a championship caliber defense and run game...we're "WASTING" it.lol
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No one cares that you're "willing to give him a couple more years," because you have nothing to do with it, thankfully. Our defense is nowhere near good enough to rely solely on the run game, and who exactly would your alternative to Flacco be? It just makes no sense to say we're wasting anything after two years with an above average QB and below average receivers.

[crazyboutravens]

Could not agree more. Get him some receivers and have Cam take the wraps off him.
The last five or six games all we preached to him was don't turn it over. I think
that hurt his ability a lot. There were times when he looked afraid to throw the
ball. We need to let him go and throw. I think he has a gunslinger mentality and
the coaches need to adapt to him instead of the other way around. Let's not have
another Kyle situation where we over coach him

[crazyboutravens]

well said

[ravens27]

Kurt Warner had a game this season where he had 5 picks, everyone has bad games.

[RivenHale]

Obviously everyone has bad games; it's the frequency of them and the good game-bad game ratio that determines good quarterbacks.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' date='18 January 2010 - 10:50 PM' timestamp='1263869435' post='346504']
Talk about OMG? The poster is entitled to an opinion, same as you. Who is us? You and who else? By the way, I'm not gonna go away. Back to school tomorrow eh?
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Everyone who thinks that it's pointless and stupid to say that we're wasting our defense and that Flacco is the problem. He's stated his opinion multiple times, we get it, and now it's just annoying. A real fan would stand behind Flacco after his first two seasons, which have been far from disappointing.

I didn't say anything to you, go or stay, what do I care. I finished school, you should try it.

[JoeCool#5]

[quote name='SaVaGe' date='17 January 2010 - 08:10 PM' timestamp='1263777028' post='345497']
Flacco is the best Qb this franchise has had to get that out of the way. Look Flacco is playing with 2 veteran receivers who are past their prime but still serviceable and then young WR's who look like busts. [b]We need to take a page from the Packers also for play calling, Less guys to protect the Qb may be better as it gives him more targets with single coverage.[/b] The only thing Flacco needs to fix is his accuracy, it is great unless we are behind in which he consistently under throws the receiver.
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Amen, Green Bay have great offense scheme (spread offense and single backs)that can score points even with their poor protection by their O-line at the beginning of the year. Their Offensive Coordinator needs to be commended and their WR core is isnt bad either (Top 5 in NFL).

[Moderator 2]

Lets keep the infighting out of the threads please, everyone is entitled to an voice a respectful opinion and not everyone has to agree with it.