Let Flacco And Troy Smith Battle It Out In Training Camp

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='Rinbee' date='18 January 2010 - 12:56 PM' timestamp='1263840963' post='346072']
When has he had a LEGITIMATE opportunity? Flacco's has gone through his share of poor performances, but was not ripped immediately off the field. Joe has not proven himself and Troy has not had a chance -- Let the competition begin!
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Every traing camp or practice maybe? If he was so good some one on the coaching staff would have picked up on it. Do you think we are trying to lose games here?

[lisaloves]

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know anyones stats or who can do what where better than whom, all I am going to say is that JOE FLACCO doesnt act like much of a LEADER (thank goodness for RAY LEWIS).

I thought QB were supposed to be leaders. I can't get much into FLACCO because of that.

I'd like to follow a MAN that walks and talks like a MAN.

I never see that in him.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='lisaloves' date='18 January 2010 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1263852706' post='346241']
I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know anyones stats or who can do what where better than whom, all I am going to say is that JOE FLACCO doesnt act like much of a LEADER (thank goodness for RAY LEWIS).

I thought QB were supposed to be leaders. I can't get much into FLACCO because of that.

I'd like to follow a MAN that walks and talks like a MAN.

I never see that in him.
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How many second-year QBs do you see that are the vocal leaders of their entire team?

[lisaloves]

Again, I'm not saying I know who does what better than whom and in what year they did it better.

What I'm saying, from a WOMANS point of view is that he doesnt act like much of
a MAN or LEADER.

I'm not saying thats EVERY womans point of view, but its mine.

That's why I can't buy the whole FLACCO is the real deal thing.

I may not know much about football but, I thought that the QB was the LEADER of the team. The player the game pretty much centers around.

MAN UP Flacco.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='lisaloves' date='18 January 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1263853871' post='346252']
Again, I'm not saying I know who does what better than whom and in what year they did it better.

What I'm saying, from a WOMANS point of view is that he doesnt act like much of
a MAN or LEADER.

I'm not saying thats EVERY womans point of view, but its mine.

That's why I can't buy the whole FLACCO is the real deal thing.

I may not know much about football but, I thought that the QB was the LEADER of the team. The player the game pretty much centers around.

MAN UP Flacco.
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Flacco definitely became more vocal than I've seen him in a while on Saturday. But as for being the leader of the team, rarely do you see a second-year QB in that role. Especially on a team like the Ravens where you have personalities like Ray and Ed. Peyton, Brees, Brady, Favre, Roethlisberger, Palmer, Rivers, Eli etc. weren't leaders in their second year.

Flacco will become a leader. Give him time.

[McBurks]

And the offseason Troy Smith threads begin,oh lord. Flacco is our QB deal with it.

[lisaloves]

Ok I'll give him some time.

Just hope it doesnt take too long.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='H8R' date='18 January 2010 - 02:27 PM' timestamp='1263842871' post='346107']
When does ANy backup get a chance to start? Generally, it's injury to the starter that gives a back-up a chance. So, next year when Troy is gone, I guess John Beck will be your best friend? Give me a friggen break. Troy is junk, he's not our starter and NEVER will be. Why can't people just except it? Think about it, 1st round draft pick...5th round draft pick... Who is the LOGICAL starter?
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I don't have any "best friends" on the Ravens. I'm not saying Troy can, will or should be a starter. Maybe if folks like you would be more objective and less emotionally invested these threads would not be endless and meaningless. I stated a stimple fact, Troy has not had the same opportunity to prove himself that Joe has had. BTW, if you want to talk about draft picks look up Brady and Romo. Picks meaning almost nothing. One more thing, calling anyone who patiently sits on a bench waiting for his opportunity should not be called "junk". GROW UP!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Rinbee' date='18 January 2010 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1263855954' post='346282']
I don't have any "best friends" on the Ravens. I'm not saying Troy can, will or should be a starter. Maybe if folks like you would be more objective and less emotionally invested these threads would not be endless and meaningless. I stated a stimple fact, Troy has not had the same opportunity to prove himself that Joe has had. BTW, if you want to talk about draft picks look up Brady and Romo. Picks meaning almost nothing. One more thing, calling anyone who patiently sits on a bench waiting for his opportunity should not be called "junk". GROW UP!
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Yes, Troy hasn't been given as much as time as Flacco has to prove himself. However, in '07 when Troy was playing relatively meaningful snaps, what did he do for people to think he could be a starter in the NFL?

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='Simba' date='18 January 2010 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1263855333' post='346272']
And the offseason Troy Smith threads begin,oh lord. Flacco is our QB deal with it.
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They won't stop until Troy is gone and he will be, but than I guess the John Beck threads start. It's gettin' hot in here.

[admartian]

So many good (read: logical and correct) replies; and well, so many 'off' ones.


I love how other teams' fans recognize Flacco for what he is, and some guys that are obviously knee-jerk reactions to the loss, think that a QB that [b]COULD NOT[/b], [i][u][b][size="6"]COULD NOT[/size][/b][/u][/i] beat KYLE BOLLER should now be expected to lead this team.

Actually, he couldn't even beat Flacco this year. :roll:

Troy will be serviceable in an offense like Miami's. He just won't do it over someone like Joe (or even Brady Quinn for that matter).

[MikeMike]

I say yes let them battle it out...even if smith can't out throw flacco he needs to stick around so we can utilize different aspects of the game. The "wildcat".

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='MikeMike' date='18 January 2010 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1263864982' post='346438']
I say yes let them battle it out...even if smith can't out throw flacco he needs to stick around so we can utilize different aspects of the game. The "wildcat".
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The Wildcat is overrated -- just ask the Miami Dolphins where that got them this year.

[Foxworth]

[quote name='lisaloves' date='18 January 2010 - 06:11 PM' timestamp='1263852706' post='346241']
I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know anyones stats or who can do what where better than whom, all I am going to say is that JOE FLACCO doesnt act like much of a LEADER (thank goodness for RAY LEWIS).

I thought QB were supposed to be leaders. I can't get much into FLACCO because of that.

I'd like to follow a MAN that walks and talks like a MAN.

I never see that in him.
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Flacco is already a leader on offense, he's just not a vocal leader that's all and you can't expect everyone to be as vocal as Ray Lewis. Leadership is something that you were born with imo, you simply can't teach it.

Cut Joe some slack here, this team is still and will be Ray Lewis' team, he's entering his second year as a QB so it's really tough on him to emerge as the leader with all these great veterans around him. As Ed_Reed20 said, give him time, the last thing we want to do is to push him into a corner, when he's not even fully developed in this league yet.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='lisaloves' date='18 January 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1263853871' post='346252']
Again, I'm not saying I know who does what better than whom and in what year they did it better.

What I'm saying, from a WOMANS point of view is that he doesnt act like much of
a MAN or LEADER.

I'm not saying thats EVERY womans point of view, but its mine.

That's why I can't buy the whole FLACCO is the real deal thing.

I may not know much about football but, I thought that the QB was the LEADER of the team. The player the game pretty much centers around.

MAN UP Flacco.
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How can a 2nd year QB be a leader when he still learning how to play his OWN position. Let him focus on being a better QB and being vocal later. Being vocal never won anyone anything. What you want him to be like Rivers and complaining about everything?

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 January 2010 - 08:37 PM' timestamp='1263865037' post='346440']
The Wildcat is overrated -- just ask the Miami Dolphins where that got them this year.
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Yea Wildcat is garbage against good teams. besides the Ravens dont really run the wildcat anyway Troy Smith is not a running back.

[dbs78]

no way. troy hasn't impressed me from what i've seen. no chance he ever starts here, considering he wont even be back for training camp, i hear the rams were looking for someone to help out boller.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='lisaloves' date='18 January 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1263853871' post='346252']
Again, I'm not saying I know who does what better than whom and in what year they did it better.
[b]
What I'm saying, from a WOMANS point of view is that he doesnt act like much of
a MAN or LEADER.[/b]

I'm not saying thats EVERY womans point of view, but its mine.

That's why I can't buy the whole FLACCO is the real deal thing.

I may not know much about football but, I thought that the QB was the LEADER of the team. The player the game pretty much centers around.

MAN UP Flacco.
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Are you serious? 1 example I can give from this past weekend is Joe going over to Ray Rice when he fumbled, consoling him and bringing him back into the group--that is a leader. From another womans POV

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='FabFox3124' date='17 January 2010 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1263704595' post='344244']
does any1 else really wanna see what troy smith can do. u cant judge the guy now, especially when he barely plays. i wanna see him battle it out with joe flacco in training camp for many reasons.. i seriously think troy smith is more versatile quarterback than flacco, he has good awareness, strong arm. and he moves around alot. and i think he deserves a chance. i been saying for awhile now, i just dont see flacco being a future quarterback for our team. i cant im sorry.. i understand the whole thing with the recievers, but how many games have i been to where i have seen so many people wide open and he throws it into coverage. whats with the dump off passes to rice when theres 2 guys on him. get rid of it.. theres alot of stuff, and im sure alot of you can have ur says on this. and who wants to see what, and who to bring in. i understand all that. but does any1 else really wanna see troy smith to actually get the shot he deserves..
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Joe Flacco is the QB of this team. There is no battle. Troy will be elsewhere next season.

[ravensgirl20]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='19 January 2010 - 01:27 AM' timestamp='1263882462' post='346617']
Are you serious? 1 example I can give from this past weekend is Joe going over to Ray Rice when he fumbled, consoling him and bringing him back into the group--that is a leader. From another womans POV
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ITA 100% and I too am a Woman! As far as telling him to man up when he's been playing injured for how many weeks now blows my mind. Flacco's the man period in this woman's book.

[Ed_Reed20]

Harbaugh said in his final presser of the season that Joe will be coming in earlier this season to work out and get bigger and stronger. The mental part of the game is important for a QB but so is the physical side.

[Samari]

I think we should bring back Anthony Wright for a three-man competition.

[bmore_07]

The RAVENS cannot build a team around a below average quarterback - remember Kyle Boller. FLACCO is a below average quarterback. We need to give Smith a chance AND bring in some new talent. FLACCO is another Boller and needs to go.

[admartian]

[quote name='bmore_07' date='20 January 2010 - 06:41 AM' timestamp='1263926506' post='346862']
The RAVENS cannot build a team around a below average quarterback - remember Kyle Boller. FLACCO is a below average quarterback. We need to give Smith a chance AND bring in some new talent. FLACCO is another Boller and needs to go.
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After only TWO years? Wow.... we gave Boller longer than that.

You must be a real funny man in real life - because Flacco has already done and shown more than Boller in his 2 years here...He's also done with a defense that is not as good as Kyle's.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='bmore_07' date='19 January 2010 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1263926506' post='346862']
The RAVENS cannot build a team around a below average quarterback - remember Kyle Boller. FLACCO is a below average quarterback. We need to give Smith a chance AND bring in some new talent. FLACCO is another Boller and needs to go.
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Let's look at the numbers:

Joe Flacco - 2 Years in NFL
32 career starts
572-of-927 (61.7%) for 6,584 passing yards, 35 TDs, 24 INTs
20-12 W/L record

Kyle Boller - 7 Years in NFL
42 career starts
844-of-1487 (56.8%) for 8,745 passing yards, 48 TDs, 50 INTs
20-22 W/L record

In 10 fewer starts, Flacco already has almost as many passing yards, a better completion rating, and almost as many TDs with half the INTs, and has already matched the number of career wins with half the losses. And keep in mind, Boller's numbers also include the garbage time and other games in which he's played in injury relief; for Flacco to almost match those numbers in JUST games he's started and in only two years shows that he's significantly better than Boller. That's also not including rushing yards and rushing TDs, as well as fumbles.

And if that's not enough proof, just watch the man play.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='bmore_07' date='19 January 2010 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1263926506' post='346862']
The RAVENS cannot build a team around a below average quarterback - remember Kyle Boller. FLACCO is a below average quarterback. We need to give Smith a chance AND bring in some new talent. FLACCO is another Boller and needs to go.
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Dang, ran out of negative votes. Someone want to loan me some?

Flacco did play bad in a few games this year. That's not a reason to give up on a 2nd year guy. He has an ELITE arm and the demeanor to be an elite QB. I firmly believe that once (if?) the Ravens get a #1WR he will be in the top 5 in the league. Bet on it.

[JohnJohnson]

Come on guys, it's pretty clear he's trolling. Even the fans who don't like Flacco know that he's not bottom 5% of QBs in the league. That's what this troll said in another thread.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]Take a look[/url]

All of the QBs above him have better receivers, and are VETERANS. Heck, most of the ones below him are veterans! Drafting a new QB would be insane.

Let's just go get an elite veteran QB from the discount store!

[William Murderface]

[quote name='Tighthead420' date='19 January 2010 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1263928591' post='346916']
Dang, ran out of negative votes. Someone want to loan me some?

Flacco did play bad in a few games this year. That's not a reason to give up on a 2nd year guy. He has an ELITE arm and the demeanor to be an elite QB. I firmly believe that once (if?) the Ravens get a #1WR he will be in the top 5 in the league. Bet on it.
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I reached my limit too.

I agree with everything you said.

Anyone who really thinks that Troy Smith should start over Flacco is crazy. Look at the way Smith played in the garbage time this year and during the preseason.

Flacco looked great until he got hurt in the Vikings game. Since then i will admit he has regressed some but that is mainly due to health issues and having ZERO weapons on offense.

There is so much i would like to say on the topic but will leave it at this: he cant throw to people who arent open, shut down Mason then you shut down the entire ravens pass Offense. Give him some weapons. All the experts around the league all say pretty much the same thing "he made strides but needs a wr."

People need to stop being such Negative Nancies. Try to be a Positive Pete, before Flacco got hurt we had a very formidable offense and it should get even better with another off-season.