Let Flacco And Troy Smith Battle It Out In Training Camp

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An injured Joe Flacco took this team to the playoffs this year. He hasn't been the same QB since he had ankle rolled up, stepped on during the Vikings game. IF, big IF here, a healthy Troy Smith was a better option than a banged up Joe Flacco don't you think the coaches would have played Smith? He is a backup for a reason, if he really was starter material he would have proven it during the preseason, right? Made the coaches decision on who to start a tough one, right? But he didn't.

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all i have to say is that i really do not want ed reed to retire at all if he does retire i probaly would not pay any attention to the nfl anymore he can not let this game get to him just because he got screwed over he should not retire reed you will get a super bowl ring you will just please please stay with the ravens for at least 3 more years please reed. if any of you have any connections with ed reed please please give this message to him.

[H8R]

People think great offense are built with the likes of Mason, Clayton, Washington, Williams? Everyone wants to bring back the past once we show them the future. Yet, the same people complain when the past was the present. Armchair Coaches, bringing Friday Night superstars to the NFL... It's really so darn funny.

[H8R]

[quote name='bmoreblacknpurple' date='17 January 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1263743177' post='344775']
The difference is Manning was the reason the colts won those 8 Colts playoff wins, while Flacco had nothing to do with the 3 Raven playoff wins.
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Actually, when they beat us on 06 Playoffs they only kicked FG's..... But, since you know everything.... The Defense won that game for them.

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[quote name='H8R' date='17 January 2010 - 01:44 AM' timestamp='1263707075' post='344389']
No doubt. Sad, isnt it. Everything that could go wrong, did! I say this is going to be like 06. We lost to the Colts in the playoffs and they were the eventual SB champs.
[/quote]not: he had two people right on him if he makes the catch they hit him immediately.

[H8R]

[quote name='RBates' date='17 January 2010 - 11:08 AM' timestamp='1263744502' post='344804']
not: he had two people right on him if he makes the catch they hit him immediately.
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Did you quote the wrong post?

[jj2020]

Some things

-With 3613 yards and 21 touchdowns, Flacco became the first Ravens Quarterback since Vinny Testaverde to throw for over three thousand yards and over twenty touchdown passes in a single season.
-Awarded Rookie of the year last year.
-Only rookie QB to win two play off games.
-Take time and compare stats from last year and this year he has improved in all accept INT wich he has 12 both years.
-His brother plays baseball for the Delmarva Shorebirds the single A team for the Orioles.

Just saying I back Joe he is not a payton manning or drew bress yet maybe he will maybe he will not however he is not a Kyle Boller or JaMarcus Russell. I would take him any day over troy smith, who is looking to leave he said so on his web site. He did not lose today football is a team sport I think todays loss was a team effort. He does throw allot to Ray Rice however he only has 5 more reciptions than Mason and that does not say howmany were dropped by WR and if you compare Ray Rice to our WR I would give the ball to Ray Rice as well.

[NNITRED]

[quote name='Bosanac' date='17 January 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1263708733' post='344445']
Would troy have gone to the playoffs his first two years?
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No way! He' short for an NFL QB, he can't see over the line after the snap and he's untested for the most part. I think Troy , facing an upcoming draft and limited documented playing time, should be happy with what he has. If Troy gets traded and doesn't do well- his next step is the pavement. Another backup spot is all that awaits Smith at this point.

[JohnJohnson]

Why does Flacco do worse in the postseason? Maybe because in the postseason, the quality of your receivers starts to matter a lot more, because you find yourself behind or in close games. Maybe because the game plan was to put it in his hands, because the Colts KNEW that not only was he less than 100%, but they can cover our receivers one on one! The only person who would maybe get double teamed is Mason, but our other options are less than mediocre. Flacco threw a perfectly fine come back pass to Demetrius Williams, but he wasn't ready for the ball. That has to do with route running and timing, but Flacco gets credited with that incompletion, as well as several other dropped balls that were good throws. We don't have great pass protection. We're asking a second year QB to deal with these lackings, and he has done well. I'm sure the Colts put a good deal of effort into intentionally confusing him...there's only so much you can ask for. The guy is accurate and all around he's a quality QB. Just wait.

[jj2020]

More numbers yes numbers they are important we only had 3 numbers today but that is what it is so just doing some comparisons. with the exception of Kyle Boller these are QB I think are great and what they did their first two years.

Yards TD INT Rate MISC
Tom Brady
2001 - 2843 18 12 86.5 superbowl champ
2002 - 3764 28 14 85.7

Drew Brees
2002 - 3284 17 16 76.9
2993 - 2108 11 15 67.5

Brett Favre
1992 - 3227 13 34 85.3
1993 - 3303 24 30 72.2 play offs wild card 1 and done

Payton Manning
1998 - 3739 13 34 85.3
1999 - 4135 26 15 90.7 Indy div champ lose division game

Troy Aikman HOF
1990 - 2579 11 18 66.6
1991 - 2754 11 10 86.7 Dallas wild card lose 2nd round

Joe Montana HOF
1980 - 1260 7 9 62.4
1981 - 3565 13 11 88.4 super bowl champ

Kyle Boller (sh*ts and giggles)
2003 - 1260 7 9 62.4 division champ lost 1st round play off boller did not play anthony wright was QB
2004 - 2559 13 11 70.9 Boller only 16 game season (thank god)

JOE FLACCO
2008 - 2971 14 12 80.3 wild card lost AFC champ game in Pitt
2009 - 3613 12 12 88.9 Wild card lost 2nd round in Indy

I like Flacco

[Big D]

[quote name='FabFox3124' date='17 January 2010 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1263704595' post='344244']
does any1 else really wanna see what troy smith can do. u cant judge the guy now, especially when he barely plays. i wanna see him battle it out with joe flacco in training camp for many reasons.. i seriously think troy smith is more versatile quarterback than flacco, he has good awareness, strong arm. and he moves around alot. and i think he deserves a chance. i been saying for awhile now, i just dont see flacco being a future quarterback for our team. i cant im sorry.. i understand the whole thing with the recievers, but how many games have i been to where i have seen so many people wide open and he throws it into coverage. whats with the dump off passes to rice when theres 2 guys on him. get rid of it.. theres alot of stuff, and im sure alot of you can have ur says on this. and who wants to see what, and who to bring in. i understand all that. but does any1 else really wanna see troy smith to actually get the shot he deserves..
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Flacco doesnt throw it to the open receivers because he doesnt have any trust in them and if he were take a chance w/ them it'll be his fault when its a pick 6. Theres plenty of times when the receivers were open not wide open but honestly do u think if flacco threw him the ball would our receivers box out the corner and catch it. when flacco does take chances the receivers never box out and its almost a pic.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='bmoreblacknpurple' date='17 January 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1263743177' post='344775']
The difference is Manning was the reason the colts won those 8 Colts playoff wins, while Flacco had nothing to do with the 3 Raven playoff wins.
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Manning won zero play-off games in his first two seasons.

And while Flacco's statistics haven't been spectacular in the play-offs, the only game the Ravens could've won without him were the Pats game and even in that game, he made some key plays that people don't talk about.

I just can't believe people are dissatisfied with a second-year QB whose led his team to the play-offs both years of his career despite playing behind a young and inexperienced line, throwing to an average-at-best receiving corps and dealing with several mechanics-altering injuries in his second year.

[ravensgirl20]

[quote name='H8R' date='17 January 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1263705053' post='344267']
and to be honest, a healthy Flacco is pretty mobile. The guy just got beat up too much this year.
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I'm so glad you said this and I agree 100%. I think Joe gets a lot of flack and people tend to overlook this fact. I expect even bigger things out of Joe next year. I have complete faith him. A second year QB that has gotten us to the playoffs twice? You don't give up on that in my book!

[JohnJohnson]

Some people really just refuse to admit what they don't know. If you think we should give up on Flacco now, you know nothing about how hard it is to find a quality QB. Flacco actually produced his first two seasons, with our wide receivers. Give the man some credit, and stop second guessing his ability. He's tough, he's accurate, and he's got what it takes to be a leader. He was upset and disappointed in the offense last night, and he'll start letting more of that emotion come through. Btw, it was the Colts with 3 weeks of rest, and my expectations were never that high because I knew that Flacco wouldn't be able to spread it around the field like Manning can. He doesn't have the weapons or the experience.

[J-man]

[quote name='jj2020' date='17 January 2010 - 12:00 PM' timestamp='1263747624' post='344845']

JOE FLACCO
2008 - 2971 14 12 80.3 wild card lost AFC champ game in Pitt
2009 - 3613 12 12 88.9 Wild card lost 2nd round in Indy

I like Flacco
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You mean 21 touchdowns in 2009. I don't like Flacco. I love Flacco.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='17 January 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1263742176' post='344748']
It kills me that only a fellow Blue Hen fully understood that!...
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You're a good student of the game, so you're seeing thing some others might not just due to lack of exposure. I wish more people would get a chance to see CAA football for what it is - excellent, high-level college football.

I got to see Westbrook play at Villanova (when 94.7 took a bus up to the game years ago) and I was like, "This guy should be in the pros!" There are more than a few of these guys in the CAA/I-AA. Joe said it once, about how the 1st stringers are highly talented in I-AA. Maybe not the 4th stringers, but there's a lot of talent in I-AA.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='17 January 2010 - 02:04 AM' timestamp='1263715462' post='344564']
Look at the cone drill and shuttle run results (measures of lateral mobility)... Joe is as fast.
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Yes I knew before I posted that their cone drills were quite similar. My point was more geared towards Smith,s small stature meaning he would be harder to grab in the pocket and his smaller frame would allow a shorter, quicker step. I am in no way advocating Smith as the starter, because lets be honest that is pure LUDA!

[TSizzle00]

Can we get a WR for Joe before we throw in the towel? lol

[codizzle]

the weather sure is nice outside..

get a wr first round get a de somehow and draft a pass catchig TE somewhere in there.. we'll be straight end of story

[wvravensfan]

[quote name='FabFox3124' date='17 January 2010 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1263704595' post='344244']
does any1 else really wanna see what troy smith can do. u cant judge the guy now, especially when he barely plays. i wanna see him battle it out with joe flacco in training camp for many reasons.. i seriously think troy smith is more versatile quarterback than flacco, he has good awareness, strong arm. and he moves around alot. and i think he deserves a chance. i been saying for awhile now, i just dont see flacco being a future quarterback for our team. i cant im sorry.. i understand the whole thing with the recievers, but how many games have i been to where i have seen so many people wide open and he throws it into coverage. whats with the dump off passes to rice when theres 2 guys on him. get rid of it.. theres alot of stuff, and im sure alot of you can have ur says on this. and who wants to see what, and who to bring in. i understand all that. but does any1 else really wanna see troy smith to actually get the shot he deserves..
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i agree with you my man but not about troy smith....I think flacco has made some dumb mistakes this year and he has and not one Baltimore fan can sya he hasnt...But you gotta remember its his 2nd year the WRs truley do stink and dont help at all at times....He needs to learn the game more and be more aware of the D and if he is scared back there then he shouldnt throw the ball to rice EVERY down to not take a hit....Throw the ball away... I think he will be a elite QB for years to come if Ozzie will acctually man up and spend some money or draft a WR or 2 that are unstoppable..I dont believe in this junk we hear every year about "We got confinadince in our WRS" and all that hooplah.....NFL teams pay money its part of the game so either go out and get a Great WR or expect the same thing to happen for years to come Mason sucked this year, yeah he had good times but most games he sucks and complains heap is getting old but still great clayton is a bum washington is decent and williams needs more reps.....Personally i hope none or just 1 of them come back

[Shadowalker]

This topic is so pointless.

[RoflDogs]

Mods please lock this stupid thread

[Rinbee]

[quote name='H8R' date='17 January 2010 - 12:06 AM' timestamp='1263704816' post='344259']
Troy has done NOTHING to deserve a shot., HERE.
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When has he had a LEGITIMATE opportunity? Flacco's has gone through his share of poor performances, but was not ripped immediately off the field. Joe has not proven himself and Troy has not had a chance -- Let the competition begin!

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Why is it everytime Joe plays like a second year QB someone always have to start this Troy Smih garbage. Troy is leaving, you can count on that! You don't bench a QB who gets your team to the playoffs twice, and oh by the way with a receiving corp that doesn't scare any defense. I totally agree with RoflDogs and Shadowalker, this thread is a waste and so played![img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif[/img]

[H8R]

[quote name='Rinbee' date='18 January 2010 - 01:56 PM' timestamp='1263840963' post='346072']
When has he had a LEGITIMATE opportunity? Flacco's has gone through his share of poor performances, but was not ripped immediately off the field. Joe has not proven himself and Troy has not had a chance -- Let the competition begin!
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When does ANy backup get a chance to start? Generally, it's injury to the starter that gives a back-up a chance. So, next year when Troy is gone, I guess John Beck will be your best friend? Give me a friggen break. Troy is junk, he's not our starter and NEVER will be. Why can't people just except it? Think about it, 1st round draft pick...5th round draft pick... Who is the LOGICAL starter?

[BrownsFan]

Best. Thread. Ever.

Yeah.. I'm a Browns fan and I can't even believe the ridiculousness of this idea.

[funky141]

Heisman trophy winners fail in the NFL- it's not an opinion, stats prove that

[BrownsFan]

I agree.

I am a die-hard Buckeyes fan and am one of the biggest Troy Smith fans out there for what he did when he was at tOSU but I've said from day one he is NOT an NFL starting-caliber QB. Even if he was an average QB there isn't a chance in the world that he starts over Flacco.

[YABOY]

[quote name='BrownsFan' date='18 January 2010 - 03:01 PM' timestamp='1263844866' post='346134']
I agree.

I am a die-hard Buckeyes fan and am one of the biggest Troy Smith fans out there for what he did when he was at tOSU but I've said from day one he is NOT an NFL starting-caliber QB. Even if he was an average QB there isn't a chance in the world that he starts over Flacco.
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funny how some ravens fans **** about flacco i'm sure your team would love to have him

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='funky141' date='18 January 2010 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1263844747' post='346131']
Heisman trophy winners fail in the NFL- it's not an opinion, stats prove that
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Exactally! More zeros than heros. Finally someone who realizes that the numbers prove the fact!