Let Flacco And Troy Smith Battle It Out In Training Camp

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

[quote name='ravens27' date='17 January 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1263709140' post='344457']
I'm glad that you all get what I'm saying.

I don't want people to think that I'm some kind of Troy Smith troll or something.
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of course not, your in the respect list with a handful of others here. Believe me, we all have our **** list.

[ravens27]

Thanks guys.

[neepo13]

[quote name='FabFox3124' date='17 January 2010 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1263704595' post='344244']
does any1 else really wanna see what troy smith can do. u cant judge the guy now, especially when he barely plays. i wanna see him battle it out with joe flacco in training camp for many reasons.. i seriously think troy smith is more versatile quarterback than flacco, he has good awareness, strong arm. and he moves around alot. and i think he deserves a chance. i been saying for awhile now, i just dont see flacco being a future quarterback for our team. i cant im sorry.. i understand the whole thing with the recievers, but how many games have i been to where i have seen so many people wide open and he throws it into coverage. whats with the dump off passes to rice when theres 2 guys on him. get rid of it.. theres alot of stuff, and im sure alot of you can have ur says on this. and who wants to see what, and who to bring in. i understand all that. but does any1 else really wanna see troy smith to actually get the shot he deserves..
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If Smith was better than Flacco, he would have gotten the starting job back last year when he was healthy.

[JoeCool#5]

[quote name='PuRock' date='17 January 2010 - 12:28 AM' timestamp='1263706109' post='344350']
You get the point. Delaware doesn't stand out as a prestigious football school.
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6 National Championships. 3 College Football HOF Head Coaches.
Only school in 1-AA with a current 9 year streak of +20,000 home attendence. I dont know how much more prestige you need.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='JoeCool#5' date='17 January 2010 - 02:34 AM' timestamp='1263713654' post='344545']
6 National Championships. 3 College Football HOF Head Coaches.
Only school in 1-AA with a current 9 year streak of +20,000 home attendence. I dont know how much more prestige you need.
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Ahh, you beat me to it.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='funky141' date='17 January 2010 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1263705328' post='344301']
I'm a Colts fan''

Troy Smith is Junk

Flacco is going to be a star
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Thank You!!! Sometimes our enemies tell the most truth. You arent blinded by Purple Shades nor do you see and care only for the bad plays made by our Offense...

[theFRANCHISE]

In terms of postseason performance, it's not as if Peyton Manning has had the rosiest of starts to his career either.

Manning didn't throw a postseason TD until his third year in the league, and didn't notch a postseason victory until his sixth year in the league.

Flacco, in terms of winning, has edged Manning in his first two seasons; Manning started his career 16-16, while Flacco is 20-12. If you include the postseason, Manning was 16-17 while Flacco is 23-14. Manning is 2-5 in his entire [i]career[/i] in road playoff games, while Flacco in his two seasons is 3-2.

Flacco is on the right track. We were spoiled by early success last season and we were spoiled again by the victory over New England. We keep forgetting that this is a YOUNG QB that just completed only his second year in the league -- even Peyton Manning didn't pull off all the things that Flacco has. Wins are the most important statistic in any player's resume, and Flacco is well on his way. Eventually, Flacco will learn to win big games on his arm, but for now, he's doing all that's been asked of him by the coaches, and that's all we can ask for.

[Moderator 2]

[b]Manning-caliber

[/b][b]Manning year two[/b] (1999)
4135 Yards 26 Touchdowns 15 interceptions 90.7 QB rating

[b]Flacco year two[/b]
3613 Yards 21 Touchdowns 12 Interceptions 88.9 QB Rating

Manning had a better second year. But not overwhelmingly so. Manning also had a young Marvin Harrison.

[b]Marvin Harrison (1999)[/b]
1663 Yards. 14.5 YPC 12 Touchdowns.
[b]Brady year two (won Superbowl)
[/b]2843 18 Touchdowns 12 Interceptions[b]

Roethlisberger year two (won Superbowl)[/b]
2385 Yards 17 Touchdowns 9 Interceptions

[b]McNabb year two[/b]
3365 Yards 21 Touchdowns 13 Interceptions



Joe is keeping some good company, had he not been injured I think his numbers would have been better

[theFRANCHISE]

I wonder if there'll still be a desire for Troy Smith to start if Flacco hits 4,000 yards passing next season and 30+ TDs? Not saying it's a guarantee, but at his rate, he could easily hit that sometime in the next two or three years.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JoeCool#5' date='17 January 2010 - 02:34 AM' timestamp='1263713654' post='344545']
6 National Championships. 3 College Football HOF Head Coaches.
Only school in 1-AA with a current 9 year streak of +20,000 home attendence. I dont know how much more prestige you need.
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So they beat up teams in a lesser division, but my point was taken out of context. The point of the matter is Joe is still from a I-AA team, which makes his transition that more impressive. Do you want to argue this?

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 January 2010 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1263705185' post='344282']
I agree, but I think Smith has better lateral mobility. I just think its because hes smaller.
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Look at the cone drill and shuttle run results (measures of lateral mobility)... Joe is as fast.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='17 January 2010 - 03:04 AM' timestamp='1263715462' post='344564']
Look at the cone drill and shuttle run results (measures of lateral mobility)... Joe is as fast.
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He's got that long leg speed. Some tall guys have it, some don't

[futurerRaven]

i feel joe has eli manning syndrome hes gonna get us there repeatedly but until we get him some talent to work with we wont win the big game i think we can compete but we wont be elite or win a title till he has weapons and we retool that defence so it doesnt lose composure

[hammer]

No, I don't think Troy Smith is the answer for the Ravens at quarterback. And, yes, I do think Joe Flacco has had a very impressive start to his NFL career as a 2nd year player. He has shown improvement in every offensive stat, except for one very important one,,,,,, [b]Red Zone Turnovers[/b].

With all of the improvement Joe has made as a quarterback in the NFL in his first two years, this tendency of commiting [b]Red Zone Turnovers [/b]is at the very least....disheartening.

No, Troy is not the answer, but Joe can-not afford a continued regress in this critical area of [b]Red Zone Turnovers[/b]. This kind of thing could possibly derail his popularity and more importantly, his development, if continued into next year.

[Twoo]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='17 January 2010 - 02:56 AM' timestamp='1263714974' post='344561']
[b]Manning-caliber

[/b][b]Manning year two[/b] (1999)
4135 Yards 26 Touchdowns 15 interceptions 90.7 QB rating

[b]Flacco year two[/b]
3613 Yards 21 Touchdowns 12 Interceptions 88.9 QB Rating

Manning had a better second year. But not overwhelmingly so. Manning also had a young Marvin Harrison.

[b]Marvin Harrison (1999)[/b]
1663 Yards. 14.5 YPC 12 Touchdowns.
[b]Brady year two (won Superbowl)
[/b]2843 18 Touchdowns 12 Interceptions[b]

Roethlisberger year two (won Superbowl)[/b]
2385 Yards 17 Touchdowns 9 Interceptions

[b]McNabb year two[/b]
3365 Yards 21 Touchdowns 13 Interceptions



Joe is keeping some good company, had he not been injured I think his numbers would have been better
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Thank you for posting this!

People are too quick to jump on the Joe Flacco stinks bandwagon whenever he has a poor game.

Think about it- Joe Flacco does not have a big name receiver, his WR core barely has depth and he's played almost his entire sophomore season injured and STILL led our team to a playoff berth.

Flacco is going to be a top tier QB as long as he has a supporting cast.

[TXRaven]

Although Smith brings some exciting stuff to the Ravens in certain packages. I believe he will be elsewhere next year. Joe Flacco is our man, and a darned good QB. Look at all he has accomplished in 2 years. Could he have been better at times this year? Yes, but the same could be said for any QB.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='PuRock' date='17 January 2010 - 03:03 AM' timestamp='1263715430' post='344563']
So they beat up teams in a lesser division, but my point was taken out of context. The point of the matter is Joe is still from a I-AA team, which makes his transition that more impressive. Do you want to argue this?
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Pit the CAA against many of the non-BCS divisions in I-A and you'd see the CAA, of which Delaware is a part, would do just fine.

Joe's transition is impressive, but there is a general (not you, but throughout football) lack of understanding of the very slim or non-existent difference between the CAA and much of middle/lower tier I-A football. No, they're not going to take down USC or VA Tech, but the CAA beats down teams like Virginia, Navy, Duke and Temple on a regular basis. I think the CAA/I-A apologists react to that, and you might be picking up the juxtaposed opinions of I-A. Yup, bigger leap. But not that much bigger and not like most casual 'I-A only' fans believe.

The CAA produces players like Howie Long (OAK), Brian Westbrook (PHI), Rich Gannon (OAK, etc.), Joe Flacco (BLT), Tim Hightower (AZ), Ben Patrick (AZ)... Of course they all had to make a bigger jump than SEC players would, but not any bigger than the players from smaller/weaker I-A schools.

Now, if they had to make the jump from lesser I-A schools who never compete at CAA+ levels or only compete at that level 1-2 times per year, I'd put a lot of weight into the idea that Joe was significantly more lost. But Delaware isn't without significant competition, especially when they play the cream of the crop of the whole FCS in the playoffs (Appalachian, Southern Illinois, Northern Iowa, all the CAA again) who take out their own share of I-A themselves.

Heck, Arizona's HoF QB is I-AA, and their RB is I-AA and their TE is I-AA... That's why their offense is doo-doo... oh wait. I know you're not saying that at all. It's just that I-AA isn't always the dramatic drop-off so many fans think it is, at least not at the top level where Delaware is. Again, not you, but worth mentioning for those that might believe Joe went from high school to pro level in the blink of an eye.

Ok... blabber over.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='17 January 2010 - 01:09 AM' timestamp='1263704975' post='344264']
Give me a freakin break. The last time Troy Smith was on the field, he threw a red zone INT against CHIGAGO...in garbage time. Troy Smith is nothing more than a backup QB, and the Ravens obviously have absolutely no intrest in keeping him. Troy wasn't even clearly better than BOLLER before he got sick last year.

Interesting stat: Joe Flacco has been the 5th most productive QB in NFL history through his first two seasons. 21 td's 12 int's 3500+ yds..not bad for his second season.
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Come on now check down's to Ray rice don't count there goes 1000 yards. Oh yeah and take away the Cleveland games too....lol

[FabFox3124]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='17 January 2010 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1263705618' post='344326']
You will notice that most people who place blame on Flacco don't really know much about the game.
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where did i place blame on him.. i like flacco alot i really do, but he hasnt been the same since the vikings game, and maybe it could be from the injury i dont know. but when he stands in the pocket for so long and just takes a sack, he looks shaky like kyle boller. i go to every game there buddy and ur gonna tell i dont know the game lol, i see alot of our wrs who do get seperration and are wideopen and he dumps it off. i think at times he has a tendency to be scared, especially if he throws a pick, it seems as if he doesnt want to throw it that direction again.

all im saying is i want someone to really battle with him in training camp, so he works harder. i want this kid to improve drastically, maybe read more blitzes, audible it up..

more importantly, we need an upgrade at reciever, and with the CBA, its gonna be impossible to get marshall now or even a top tier wr.

we could possibly use a different passing scheme too IMO.

[Guest RBates]

He really didn't say that Joe Flacco stinks he said it should be an open competition for who starts next season and i agree. Flacco has a great arm and a nice feel for the game after two seasons but he reverts back to making the same rookie mistakes. Takes to long to get rid of the ball at times. Unaware of pressure. Doesn't go through his progressions and he stares down his receivers. If he was hurt and Im sure that will be what comes out next. Then why not start Troy. Honestly Joe Flacco isn't that much better than him if he's better at all. I just see us giving our team the best chance to win. The New England game might have been the worst showcase at QB for a winning team since maybe a Barry Sanders team. Feels good when you have those work horses back there.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RBates' date='17 January 2010 - 09:23 AM' timestamp='1263738233' post='344678']
He really didn't say that Joe Flacco stinks he said it should be an open competition for who starts next season and i agree. Flacco has a great arm and a nice feel for the game after two seasons but he reverts back to making the same rookie mistakes. Takes to long to get rid of the ball at times. Unaware of pressure. Doesn't go through his progressions and he stares down his receivers. If he was hurt and Im sure that will be what comes out next. Then why not start Troy. [b]Honestly Joe Flacco isn't that much better than him if he's better at all.[/b] I just see us giving our team the best chance to win. The New England game might have been the worst showcase at QB for a winning team since maybe a Barry Sanders team. Feels good when you have those work horses back there.
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With due respect, honestly, Cam Cameron, John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome disagree with your assessment. I'm going to go ahead and take their assessment over yours.

[wacco]

why are you doggin flacco? he has help turn this team around. he has given them a shot to throw the ball. smith is nothing. flacco needs recievers who can catch the ball instead of dropping passes. with flacco as the quaterback and the triple threat in the back field their offense can be unstoppable. lets look at the defensive and the d-backs.

[J-man]

Flacco has only played two seasons, and you guys want to kick him to the curb basically because he hasn't won us a Superbowl yet? This is getting ridiculous.

[Guest RBates]

In the post season Flacco has one touchdown and six picks. No need for an open competition though.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='17 January 2010 - 09:07 AM' timestamp='1263737224' post='344665']
Pit the CAA against many of the non-BCS divisions in I-A and you'd see the CAA, of which Delaware is a part, would do just fine.
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It kills me that only a fellow Blue Hen fully understood that!...

[FlaccoFlicker]

those of you that are saying Flacco can't come up in big games do you realize Peyton is 8-8 in 12 yrs of his career? Joe is 3-2 not bad if you ask me considering 4 of Mannings wins wwere from 1 postseason.Give the man a break,without Flacco we probably woulda been 7-9 or worse.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='17 January 2010 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1263738639' post='344685']
With due respect, honestly, Cam Cameron, John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome disagree with your assessment. I'm going to go ahead and take their assessment over yours.
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[i]<MOD NOTE: Keep the personal-directed comments out of it>[/i] I want you to watch what direction Flacco's head is facing, and where he goes with the football. Then make your own determination. You don't need coaches and GM's opinions, draw your own conclusion based upon the facts.

[bmoreblacknpurple]

Granted Flacco is the best QB the Ravens have ever had but if he can not step up in big games at crucial times than he is no better than boller or dilfer. This was his 5th playoff game, he can not use the rookie excuse anymore. For the past decade we have relied heavilty on our run game and defense to win games, and it has come through for us. Now the team has a misconception with Flacco that our Offense is good enough to win games, but in reality it is not. During the offseason the coaching staff must go back to their old playbook and bring back the "organized chaos" that has worked for us so well the last decade. Flacco is not the answer.

[bmoreblacknpurple]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='17 January 2010 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1263742580' post='344757']
those of you that are saying Flacco can't come up in big games do you realize Peyton is 8-8 in 12 yrs of his career? Joe is 3-2 not bad if you ask me considering 4 of Mannings wins wwere from 1 postseason.Give the man a break,without Flacco we probably woulda been 7-9 or worse.
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The difference is Manning was the reason the colts won those 8 Colts playoff wins, while Flacco had nothing to do with the 3 Raven playoff wins.

[Guest RBates]

Numbers, numbers ,numbers, who cares. Flacco against Manning who cares about who in two years has more wins and loses that could easily mean that Flacco has played on a better defensive team.(which is true). Yall kill me with all that nonsense. Better d = more opportunities with the football with better field position. Can we please act like we didn't start watching football last year......Thank You