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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1295221868' post='610775']
Lil Wayne, muahahaha
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Absolute garbage...

[XxSizzleXx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mptMWzF1K_k

[Ed_Reed20]

I've watched that video before and I always start laughing at the Aaliyah(R.I.P.-- today was her birthday) and Musiq parts every time. Borrowing rhymes is common but dude is just shameless with the way he does it.

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Myself - Million Round My Neck (If you want a link, let me know.)

Eminem feat. Obie Trice - Lady

Coolio - Gangsters Paradise

Tupac - "F" Friends

Tupac - Toss It Up

Hard Target - I'm A Beast (If you want a link, let me know.)

The Game - Put You On The Game

Master P. - Come Get Some

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1266197404' post='359898']
Rankings rappers and their albums is too subjective for me but I'll definitely list my favorites:

Rappers:

1) Lupe Fiasco
2) Andre 3000
3) Mos Def
4) Nas
5) DMX
6) Canibus
7) Black Thought
8) Kanye West
9) T.I.
10) LL Cool J

Albums:

1) Black Star
2) Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor
3) Graduation
4) Legend of the Liquid Sord
5) The Sound of Revenge
6) A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
7) Lupe Fiaco's The Cool
8) Black on Both Sides
9) ???
10) ???
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Gotta revise those lists.

Rappers:

1) Mos Def
2) Lupe Fiasco
3) Andre 3000
4) Black Thought
5) Talib Kweli
6) DOOM
7) Tupac
8) Wale
9) Dres
10) Rakim

Albums:

1) Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
2) Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor
3) Black On Both Sides
4) The Ecstatic
5) Madvillainy
6) Graduation
7) Revolutions Per Minute
8) Lupe Fiaco's The Cool
9) The Mouse and the Mask
10) Game Theory

[JacobAngeles]

[quote name='J-man' timestamp='1263741962' post='344743']
Top 5 Rappers
5.) Me
4.) Kid Cudi
3.) T.I.
2.) Lil' Wayne
1.) Kanye West
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I could teach 5 random bums off the street to rap better than these idiots within 1 month.

[ryan23945]

[quote name='JacobAngeles' timestamp='1295388228' post='615887']
I could teach 5 random bums off the street to rap better than these idiots within 1 month.
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[ryan23945]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295223161' post='610838']
I've watched that video before and I always start laughing at the Aaliyah(R.I.P.-- today was her birthday) and Musiq parts every time. Borrowing rhymes is common but dude is just shameless with the way he does it.
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u got any audio, print or video of rappers accusing him of stealing rhymes??

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1295417040' post='617015']
u got any audio, print or video of rappers accusing him of stealing rhymes??
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Well, there's a video above with audio of entire verses Wayne has "stolen"(some not even from rappers ). I don't see how that evidence isn't damning enough for you.

When you call yourself the "greatest rapper alive" and the masses seem to believe it's true for whatever reason, I find it hilarious that you're basically the only one noted for reciting entire verses.

Many MCs throw in classic lines or phrases for effect or to make a verse more appealing but from the rappers I've listened and I'd say I listen to a decent amount of MCs that been active since the early 90s, I've never come across someone who recited entire verses besides, Mr.Carter.

Here are few articles I found:

[url="http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017217.html"][u]Lil Wayne Accused of Stealing The Rolling Stones Song[/u][/url]

[url="http://johnjohnsaidit.com/lil-wayne-accused-of-stealing-songs/"][u]Jim Jonsin accuses Wayne of stealing, essentially[/u][/url]

[url="http://keepittrill.com/online/2010/07/gimme-beat-fool-10-rappers-accused-stealing-songs/"][u]Another article supporting the one above[/u][/url]

And here's a link to a video of rapper [b]Gillie Da Kid[/b] accusing Wayne of stealing lyrics. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrtEKIps6XI"]Link[/url] (profanity disclaimer)

[ryan23945]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295419018' post='617032']
Well, there's a video above with audio of entire verses Wayne has "stolen"(some not even from rappers ). I don't see how that evidence isn't damning enough for you.

When you call yourself the "greatest rapper alive" and the masses seem to believe it's true for whatever reason, I find it hilarious that you're basically the only one noted for reciting entire verses.

Many MCs throw in classic lines or phrases for effect or to make a verse more appealing but from the rappers I've listened and I'd say I listen to a decent amount of MCs that been active since the early 90s, I've never come across someone who recited entire verses besides, Mr.Carter.

Here are few articles I found:

[url="http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017217.html"][u]Lil Wayne Accused of Stealing The Rolling Stones Song[/u][/url]

[url="http://johnjohnsaidit.com/lil-wayne-accused-of-stealing-songs/"][u]Jim Jonsin accuses Wayne of stealing, essentially[/u][/url]

[url="http://keepittrill.com/online/2010/07/gimme-beat-fool-10-rappers-accused-stealing-songs/"][u]Another article supporting the one above[/u][/url]

And here's a link to a video of rapper [b]Gillie Da Kid[/b] accusing Wayne of stealing lyrics. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrtEKIps6XI"]Link[/url] (profanity disclaimer)
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short answer, no, if he was such a theif the rappers he "stole" lyrics from would be accusing him for it, save for 2pac and biggie, but in that event given those 2 status in the rap community, their camps would definitley come after him for it, obvious the aaliyah verse is a tribute, pretty silly to think other wise, and since many rappers recite lines then waayne should not be held to a higher scale then those for doing the same, and again if it was done without permission or 2 much liberty was taken, u would definitely hear about it

as far as gillie go, i think homeboy just mad he still stay in the projects haha, funny too he talks about no one in waynes clique havin guns, meanwhile he just did a stretch for it.

[XxSizzleXx]

I don't like him for the facts already stated, his voice is annoying, and it seems like his music has no flow. If I listen to rap, it has to flow.

I was jammin some older Eminem earlier, didn't realize how much I used to like superman ha.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1295421758' post='617050']
short answer, no, if he was such a theif the rappers he "stole" lyrics from would be accusing him for it, save for 2pac and biggie, but in that event given those 2 status in the rap community, their camps would definitley come after him for it, obvious the aaliyah verse is a tribute, pretty silly to think other wise, and since many rappers recite lines then waayne should not be held to a higher scale then those for doing the same, and again if it was done without permission or 2 much liberty was taken, u would definitely hear about it

as far as gillie go, i think homeboy just mad he still stay in the projects haha, funny too he talks about no one in waynes clique havin guns, meanwhile he just did a stretch for it.
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Why did you ignore the articles I provided?

Yes, many rappers recite lines. Give me another one that recited an entire verse in a completely different song?

You consider reciting the Aaliyah verse a "tribute" but what about the Musiq verse? I don't buy it.

In a musical genre where creativity is so important, seeing as there are only so many instrumentals and beats you can make, I don't consider reciting an entire verse, line for line, a tribute. In other musical genres, people "cover" a track. MCs do the same in hip hop but they either call it a remix or change things somehow while keeping it an obvious nod to the original -- they don't recite verses in their entirety with no changes.

What I [i]do[/i] consider a "tribute" is "Children's Story" from the Black Star's album -- the title aside, it has obvious references to the original song by Slick Rick. You can tell Mos did the song in honor of Rick but he puts his own stamp on it and I was entertained.

Gillie probably [i]is[/i] a little bitter he's not in the spotlight like Wayne but that is more than likely because he's not willing to dumb it down for the masses. The man has no reason to just lie about his experiences with Wayne. From what I know, Wayne hasn't really responded with anything concrete either on the random freestyle or diss track talking about his money and fame compared to Gillie's relative anonymity. Gillie not famous but obviously has skills and anyone whose followed Wayne's career for day one knows his style hasn't evolved more than it's been influenced -- Gillie was the one first people to influence him.

To me, there's little creativity to him. He's had the humorous or sharp line here and there but in terms MCs that are alive, there are numerous ones that demonstrated more lyrical and entertaining prowess than him.

To be honest, what are his signature songs? All the supposedly "great" MCs have tracks you can say definitively left a mark on the game regardless of whether they were commercially successful. With Wayne, I can think of numerous track full of hollow boasts like many MCs before him but nothing groundbreaking or of any substance.

[XxSizzleXx]

^^^^ The Mastur Debater ^^^^^

[ryan23945]

the only point i was trying to make is that the only ppl upset that so called "steals" ryhmes, r the fans, which leads me to beleive that these rhymes were used with permission

the other issue here is the fact that u obviously dont like lil wayne, which is y u cant name any songs he as done, but there are millions of ppl that would say sogns like lillipop or a milli r classics.

and again u still have not provided me with an artist that had claimed wayne has stolen lyrics, so until u do u have no need to post just another bunch of theories and redirect becuz u cant prove a point.

another point is dude puts out more music and more verses than anyone in the game, drops albums and mixtapes from prison and appears r many remixes, so to question his creativity when he is possibly the busiest rapper in the game is laughable, let alone taking a few lines or verses from a complete body of work and focusing on only those

now wayne may not be very deep in his mainstream work that gets played on the radio, but his image no is more dealing with a teenage angst sort of thing, and its obvious many fans relate to him in that way, in fact if he was arounf when i was a teen in this form i prolly would listened to him, but just becuz he isnt deep doesnt mean he isnt valid, he isnt common, hes lil wayne, and hes aloud to be

again i will state, u dont need to post anything else about this unless u have any proof of rappers calling him out for biting rhymes, that was my original question and u should have just said no, cuz u have none

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1295426808' post='617068']
the only point i was trying to make is that the only ppl upset that so called "steals" ryhmes, r the fans, which leads me to beleive that these rhymes were used with permission

the other issue here is the fact that u obviously dont like lil wayne, which is y u cant name any songs he as done, but there are millions of ppl that would say sogns like lillipop or a milli r classics.

and again u still have not provided me with an artist that had claimed wayne has stolen lyrics, so until u do u have no need to post just another bunch of theories and redirect becuz u cant prove a point.

another point is dude puts out more music and more verses than anyone in the game, drops albums and mixtapes from prison and appears r many remixes, so to question his creativity when he is possibly the busiest rapper in the game is laughable, let alone taking a few lines or verses from a complete body of work and focusing on only those

now wayne may not be very deep in his mainstream work that gets played on the radio, but his image no is more dealing with a teenage angst sort of thing, and its obvious many fans relate to him in that way, in fact if he was arounf when i was a teen in this form i prolly would listened to him, but just becuz he isnt deep doesnt mean he isnt valid, he isnt common, hes lil wayne, and hes aloud to be

again i will state, u dont need to post anything else about this unless u have any proof of rappers calling him out for biting rhymes, that was my original question and u should have just said no, cuz u have none
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A musical publishing company filing a lawsuit against him and a producer suing him over basically stealing rhymes counts as being "upset" in my opinion.

You didn't read my post carefully. I [i]clearly[/i] wrote I [i]can[/i] name his songs but none that are of any substance. You mean to tell me anything Wayne said "A Millie" or "Lollipop" had substance? And they're "classics" now? I don't consider them classics at all and will leave it at that.

Wait, did you not read the articles? You asked me to provide them and I clearly provided the links for you. I even underlined them. A musical publishing company accused him stealing lyrics from a song and filed a lawsuit. Jim Jonsin sued him over stealing his lyrics in Lollipop. Another article I provided had this say:

[quote]
Lollipop isn’t the only song which has caused Lil Wayne problems – he is also fighting allegations he illegally sampled songwriter Karma-Ann Swanepoel’s Once in his track I Feel Like Dying, while record producer Darius ‘Deezle’ Harrison and music publishers at The Royalty Network have filed a multi-million dollar suit over royalties from Mrs. Officer.
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Here's an excerpt from another site I provided links to/

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The “Stolen” Song: “Grindin’ Like A Goon,” by Philadelphia rapper Dirahn Gilliams

The Case: Just a few weeks after Jim Jonsin—the producer of “Lollipop”—sued Weezy and claimed that he hadn’t been paid for his work, Gilliams filed a suit in early May 2010 alleging that his 2007 song was the inspiration for Wayne’s hit single.

The Evidence: There’s not much. We couldn’t track down a link to the song to compare it to “Lollipop” so, outside of an ASCAP number that confirms the existence of it, it’s hard to say whether the song was really jacked or not. But for what it’s worth, Gilliams does claim he sent the song to several industry insiders, including Jim Jonsin, back in ’07.
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So, how have I redirected and not been able to prove my point?

No, well-known rappers haven't accused Wayne of stealing lines. It wouldn't be financially advantageous for Wayne to do that when he could easily collaborate them and make more money. But still, artists have claimed he stole their work.

Him producing a lot music doesn't necessarily make it good music in comparison to his peers. I have heard countless Wayne fans bring up the amount of material he's produced as if it's inherently quality work. When did quantity equal quality? When it did it become laughable to question the material of an artist simply because he's "busy"?

Andre 3000 appeared in a number of remixes around '07. It was a relatively small amount of appearances compared to Wayne's but I'd stack any of Three Stacks' bars with what Wayne did in the same time frame.

I've never said he isn't allowed to do what he does or that he's not valid because he doesn't discuss social plight in every song. Of course he's valid and obviously people are entitled to like him. Ultimately, it comes down to preference and I try not to judge people on their musical tastes. But I'm never going to believe he's the best at his craft as he and his fans claim and will argue with anyone who wants to on the subject

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[ryan23945]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295433936' post='617097']
A musical publishing company filing a lawsuit against him and a producer suing him over basically stealing rhymes counts as being "upset" in my opinion.

You didn't read my post carefully. I [i]clearly[/i] wrote I [i]can[/i] name his songs but none that are of any substance. You mean to tell me anything Wayne said "A Millie" or "Lollipop" had substance? And they're "classics" now? I don't consider them classics at all and will leave it at that.

Wait, did you not read the articles? You asked me to provide them and I clearly provided the links for you. I even underlined them. A musical publishing company accused him stealing lyrics from a song and filed a lawsuit. Jim Jonsin sued him over stealing his lyrics in Lollipop. Another article I provided had this say:



Here's an excerpt from another site I provided links to/



So, how have I redirected and not been able to prove my point?

No, well-known rappers haven't accused Wayne of stealing lines. It wouldn't be financially advantageous for Wayne to do that when he could easily collaborate them and make more money. But still, artists have claimed he stole their work.

Him producing a lot music doesn't necessarily make it good music in comparison to his peers. I have heard countless Wayne fans bring up the amount of material he's produced as if it's inherently quality work. When did quantity equal quality? When it did it become laughable to question the material of an artist simply because he's "busy"?

Andre 3000 appeared in a number of remixes around '07. It was a relatively small amount of appearances compared to Wayne's but I'd stack any of Three Stacks' bars with what Wayne did in the same time frame.

I've never said he isn't allowed to do what he does or that he's not valid because he doesn't discuss social plight in every song. Of course he's valid and obviously people are entitled to like him. Ultimately, it comes down to preference and I try not to judge people on their musical tastes. But I'm never going to believe he's the best at his craft as he and his fans claim and will argue with anyone who wants to on the subject
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haha more answers to un-asked questions, in one line u say someone has filed a lawsuit for "basically" stealing rhymes, and in another u say no rappers have accused him, and the rolling stones song and waynes r mildly similar, the onlt true similarity is the name of the song, and given the fact that "playing with fire" is a commin cliche, i would say there is next to no similarity.

im not gonna keep going back and forth if u cant just say no to a question uve been asked, its pointless, its like arguing with a child[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/3015062728_6b27f9a6ae.jpg[/img]

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1295464032' post='617589']
haha more answers to un-asked questions, in one line u say someone has filed a lawsuit for "basically" stealing rhymes, and in another u say no rappers have accused him, and the rolling stones song and waynes r mildly similar, the onlt true similarity is the name of the song, and given the fact that "playing with fire" is a commin cliche, i would say there is next to no similarity.

im not gonna keep going back and forth if u cant just say no to a question uve been asked, its pointless, its like arguing with a child
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You say this argument is "pointless" and it's like arguing with a child but yet you display a complete lack of reading understanding.

Jim Jonsin filed a lawsuit because Wayne stole his lyrics. Plain and simple.

And here we come to your reading difficulty. I [b]NEVER[/b] said no rappers have accused him of stealing rhymes. Please point out to me where I said that! I clearly wrote [b]NO WELL-KNOWN[/b] rapper has accused him of stealing rhymes. In the links I provided and then quoted for everyone to see, a obscure Philly rapper alleged Wayne stole his lyrics.

Just because you don't think there's a similarity between the Rolling Stones song and Wayne's doesn't mean there isn't. A publishing company felt there was enough and slapped Wayne with a lawsuit.

Another link I provided and then quoted brought up two other instances of artists claiming he stole their work and bringing legal action against him.

That you continue to ignore the links and quotes absolutely baffles me.

[ryan23945]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295466007' post='617636']
You say this argument is "pointless" and it's like arguing with a child but yet you display a complete lack of reading understanding.

[b]Jim Jonsin filed a lawsuit because Wayne stole his lyrics. Plain and simple. [/b]

And here we come to your reading difficulty. I [b]NEVER[/b] said no rappers have accused him of stealing rhymes. Please point out to me where I said that! I clearly wrote [b]NO WELL-KNOWN[/b] rapper has accused him of stealing rhymes. In the links I provided and then quoted for everyone to see, a obscure Philly rapper alleged Wayne stole his lyrics.

Just because you don't think there's a similarity between the Rolling Stones song and Wayne's doesn't mean there isn't. A publishing company felt there was enough and slapped Wayne with a lawsuit.

Another link I provided and then quoted brought up two other instances of artists claiming he stole their work and bringing legal action against him.

That you continue to ignore the links and quotes absolutely baffles me.
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apparently u dont even read ur own links, [url="http://johnjohnsaidit.com/lil-wayne-accused-of-stealing-songs/"]Jim Jonsin accues Wayne of stealing, essentially[/url]

nuthin about lyrics in there, yet u say there is, now thats baffeling

ud make a good politician, u do well at taking one thing and making it something else, like calling unpaid royalties copied lyrics, or alleged song names or beats copied lyrics

aah crap i said i wouldnt go back and forth, but u make it so hard to not keep proving u wrong, ok this is the last response i swear

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1295466778' post='617667']
apparently u dont even read ur own links, [url="http://johnjohnsaidit.com/lil-wayne-accused-of-stealing-songs/"]Jim Jonsin accues Wayne of stealing, essentially[/url]

nuthin about lyrics in there, yet u say there is, now thats baffeling

ud make a good politician, u do well at taking one thing and making it something else, like calling unpaid royalties copied lyrics, or alleged song names or beats copied lyrics

aah crap i said i wouldnt go back and forth, but u make it so hard to not keep proving u wrong, ok this is the last response i swear
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So because the word "lyrics" isn't in the article, Wayne didn't steal Jonsin's work? Must I spell it out for you? Jonsin co-wrote the song and was not compensated for his work on the song. [b]That is stealing[/b].

Learn how to spell dude.

Like I said, before, he stole Jonsin's lyrics. Quoting entire verses and barely changing a line is stealing lyrics(that Aaliyah's family or Musiq Soulchild didn't sue Wayne probably only happened because he didn't profit off of the songs he recited the line). A Philadelphia rapper accusing Wayne of creating a hit inspired by his work is stealing lyrics. He stole lines and ultimate an entire style from Gillie.

YouTube isn't exactly the best place for rational debate but there are people who know their music and I've never seen a rapper accused of stealing lyrics as much as Wayne. Part of that could how much he polarizes fan but they say perception 99% reality. Again, borrowing a hot line is very common in hop hop but Wayne takes it beyond the scope.

At the end of the day though, it doesn't matter. These were really only a few "incidents" in a long career for the man. I still stick by initial statement that he isn't creative because nothing in his lyrics are any different form the majority of mainstream MCs or even underground ones trying to break through today. And even in that segment of rap, his style or actual rapping ability is no better than a Jay-Z, Nas, Jada, Luda, Busta or Big Boi to name just a few in my opinion.

[kagejb]

Oh hi guys. I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsyEjQ8a8XI&feature=channel

Pretty old, but damn.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Favorite "Alive" in no particular order after number one:

1. Lupe Fiasco
2. Jay-Z
3. Kanye West
4. Kid Cudi
5. J. Cole
6. Eminem
7. Ludacris
8. Nas
9. Wale
10. Fabolous

Lil Wayne is not even top 20 alive. Period.

[Ed_Reed20]

Greatest rapper alive...indeed.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

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Greatest rapper alive...indeed.
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He's terribly inconsistent. The transition he made from his music before Carter I and up to it is staggering. That's what made me believe Gillie's claims.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1295756006' post='621358']
He's terribly inconsistent. The transition he made from his music before Carter I and up to it is staggering. That's what made me believe Gillie's claims.
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Agreed. But like Baby has repeatedly said, who cares about lyrical ability when you're making money?

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295757036' post='621379']
Agreed. But like Baby has repeatedly said, who cares about lyrical ability when you're making money?
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Yeah, and him saying that defines mainstream music. Seriously I try to stay away from writing lyrics that are up to the standards of today's hip-hop but it really makes me mad how artists with so little skill are huge figures in today's rap.

[XxSizzleXx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rKnMp9U-Lg

This is lyrical skill

[ryan23945]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1295757552' post='621385']
Yeah, and him saying that defines mainstream music. Seriously I try to stay away from writing lyrics that are up to the standards of today's hip-hop but it really makes me mad how artists with so little skill are huge figures in today's rap.
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dont confuse being deep, with skill, lil wyne has tremendous rhyming skill and clever rhymes, although not very deep, and there is obviously a market for that, hence his extreme popularity, and he has done tracks with half ur list so obviously they think he has some leval of skill as well

[kagejb]

Lmao it's like he was reading me a bedtime story. Dr. Seuss thought of better rhymes than that.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1295758142' post='621402']
dont confuse being deep, with skill, lil wyne has tremendous rhyming skill and clever rhymes, although not very deep, and there is obviously a market for that, hence his extreme popularity, and he has done tracks with half ur list so obviously they think he has some leval of skill as well
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Who he does songs with has no bearing on how he is as an artist himself. If you didn't know, Wayne does songs with EVERYONE but it still doesn't change the fact he is an extremely inconsistent artist. Lil Wayne can have his moments, but his inconsistency and the stuff he says when he's "cold" outweighs any moments he has. It's not a matter of whether you're deep or anything. I'm talking about pure skill as an artist. As far as [b]pure[/b] skill, Lil Wayne is not top 20. imo