John Madden

[Cartoon_Cartooon]

I absolutely HATE him.....i still remember his exact words in the preseason "All that the heisman means is that you're the best college football player, THATS IT". Basically saying that he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL!!! And now that he see's how much he's learned and how good he plays...now he wants to complement him on his every move.....mann sports analysts and commentators or some TRASH i would say another word but i dont want 2 get banned lol

[Raven07]

as i said before...those announcers just like to talk about certain things and "guess" as to why somthing didnt/hasnt turned out to what they thought it would be..and all that, they are merely guessing...thats all they're doing, doesnt mean a gosh darn thing..what really matters in the players and their overall performance on the football field...heck thats the reason why we watch NFL games...not because of the commentators in the least.

[minford]

Well, thats what the Heisman means. Madden was right. And just because he stated it that way doesn't mean he doesn't think Troy Smith will fail.

[BrownsFan]

Pretty much what minford said.. just because you win a Heisman doesn't mean you're destined for NFL greatness as I know we all realize. So really Madden was just stating the obvious.

[minford]

Pretty much what minford said.. just because you win a Heisman doesn't mean you're destined for NFL greatness as I know we all realize. So really Madden was just stating the obvious.

Correct. Thread closed.

[DdaddyD]

Did you go to sleep early?

He also said he liked what he saw in training and preseason.

I am embarrassed that he and Al had to sit through that while cornhole and company got the best game this season on MNF.

[Marjax]

So just because he explains that winning the Heisman doesn't automatically translate into NFL success means he should stick by his guns and ignore the fact that Troy looked promising in preseason and had a good drive last night?

Ridiculous. Just because someone states their opinion on a matter doesn't mean it can't be changed.

[Ravens52]

He also said the Ravens should start Troy Smith for the rest of the year. Which surprised Al Michaels.

[RvnInPa]

just because you win a Heisman doesn't mean you're destined for NFL greatness as I know we all realize. So really Madden was just stating the obvious.

bingo, I agree, nothing Madden stated should be taken as a insult toward Troy Smith, if so then you're simply looking to much into it.

[DdaddyD]

Did you go to sleep early?

He also said he liked what he saw in training and preseason.

I am embarrassed that he and Al had to sit through that while cornhole and company got the best game this season on MNF.

IF I am misunderstood, Madden is correct, the Heisman is only representative of what Troy did in college.

I am encouraged the he (Madden) thinks Troy looked good. His opinion has much more weight than my own.

[Raven07]

i think that Madden also see's the Type of Player Troy could become with the right experience and practice and therefore "put him in"....and let him showcase what has learned so far/in the process of learning...and he's certainly impressed (i would think) alot of people out there in terms of his development.

[bigmacattack2123]

So just because he explains that winning the Heisman doesn't automatically translate into NFL success means he should stick by his guns and ignore the fact that Troy looked promising in preseason and had a good drive last night?

Ridiculous. Just because someone states their opinion on a matter doesn't mean it can't be changed.

True but let's also take a moment to realize who we're speaking of. It's Madden I mean come on...he has seen it all! It's gonna take more than a trophy and a few pre-season snaps to impress this guy. The way he praised Troy last night is very large statement on what he's done with his game in not even a full season. Madden couldn't care less about what a player does in college. Even if a player were to throw a TD on every down in his college career...Madden would speak of him in a condescending tone until he proved himself in the pros...that is just Madden that is how he is. And the fact that he seems to be this impressed this early with such little showing of Troy makes me feel a lot better about sticking behind him all year long. GO TROY!

[ReED jucate]

You should never care about what the announcers say. They are supposed to stir up controversy or spark discussion. This is done for every live event on television. Thats why they brought up the whole colts moving out story before the game. Announcers are paid opinion puppets.

[ragnorok99]

You should never care about what the announcers say. They are supposed to stir up controversy or spark discussion. This is done for every live event on television. Thats why they brought up the whole colts moving out story before the game. Announcers are paid opinion puppets.

nice signature.

[smashmouth82]

for crying out loud, he stated that the ravens would have to go out and get a new QB before the game even started. ( that's not really giving kyle boller much of a chance either )

[Stover4Prez]

Troy played 6 minutes against the Indianapolis cheerleaders!!! Let's not all get so happy just yet. Kyle is still a better QB. He had a bad night, I will agree, but the kid was pure gold against New England. Even the mighty Peyton has 4 interception games!!! Everyone talks about the bandwagon on this forum. It looks like Troy's is getting pretty full. I'm encouraged by his play, but he has A LOT yet to prove.

[Jamal]

How many chances have we already given Kyle? Lets go with Troy.

[#1 D]

How many chances have we already given Kyle? Lets go with Troy.

I think that Troy should be given a chance this year, at least for the final three games. I mean he is one of the most underrated players in the NFL in my opinion, just bein underrated because of one game and the combine. also imo, if he acutally did good in the combine and the game vs the gators, then i guaruntee he would be at least a first day pick.

[Raven07]

i do too but in saying that i believe that he should not start as of yet (seeing how this is the tail end of the season and its virtually over and done with)....having Troy watch the other players play the game then Have him come into the game at some point during the 3rd quarter....and show what he's learned from watching and practicing......seems to be the most logical choice for him right now...plus if he does do well for the remainder of this season....he will have Good Stats and a high QB rating and TD Ratio for him to look back upon and use that as an example for the upcoming season and keep learning and furthering his overall development.

[Marjax]

I've seen lots of people wanting to bring everyone down to earth by saying Troy played scrubs.

Yes. We all know this. The hype is building not because he scored a touchdown, but in how he did it. He showed the same mentality he held at tOSU: a pass first QB with the legs to get himself out of trouble and bide time to make a play downfield. It's not his ability to run the ball that has people excited. It's that he scrambles away from pressure and still keeps his eyes downfield looking for a receiver to get open. It's not in his cannon arm (cuz Boller can throw the ball far too), its that his very first pass was a bomb that was nearly at the fingertips of Yamon Figurs in the end zone... i.e. it was fairly accurate. It's in the potential he's shown by how he played when he got in there, not in what outcomes he produced.

[Raven07]

and to which the Manner Troy handled the sitaution and was constantly looking down field for the open man...before making any kind of commitment to run the ball, he looks down field as long as he can, biding time for WR's to get open and in the process making teh Defense's men miss him in their attempts to sack him or bring him down to the turf/ground

[j_h_smith]

Forget who Troy Smith went up against. Look at the mechanics, look at the field presence, what more do you want for a real rookie? Forget the 2nds he was playing against. Did you see he had command of the offense. He knew what to do when the line collapsed. He knew to keep his eyes up and out while bailing out of the pocket. Imagine how wide eyed most players would have been coming into a game where the team had performed so poorly. Do you really think he looked like a rookie? Forget his percentages, just look at the presence. He showed much more than his short NFL career would have dictated.

[Raven07]

agreed he has everything we want in a QB...but that being said...you said it yourself just now....he's a Rookie player and one to which has ALOT of potential and skill at his positon of Quarterback....but he needs more time to sharpen those skills and his overall mechanics and i think with him watching the games then having him play for 2 quarters....seems logical to me

[neepo13]

Well, thats what the Heisman means. Madden was right. And just because he stated it that way doesn't mean he doesn't think Troy Smith will fail.

You took the thought right out of my mind. That statement can be used for any Heisman trophey winner. The other guy that comes to mind is Reggie Bush.

[Raven07]

personally i have no gosh darn clue as to why people are saying that Troy will not be a good player because he's a heisman winner....from what we saw of him last week in his NFL debut....he drove the offense down the field and SCORED.... and displayed everything we drafted for. and shows only great potential of whats to come from the guy. You Cannot Base a Certain Players Future Performance off of what he's done in the past. so people should NOT jump to conclusions.

[neepo13]

personally i have no gosh darn clue as to why people are saying that Troy will not be a good player because he's a heisman winner....from what we saw of him last week in his NFL debut....he drove the offense down the field and SCORED.... and displayed everything we drafted for. and shows only great potential of whats to come from the guy. You Cannot Base a Certain Players Future Performance off of what he's done in the past. so people should NOT jump to conclusions.

You are leaving out one BIG factor. He did it against backups with a first string offense around him. If he doesnt do well in that situation, either the Colts have great depth and their backup should be starters or our offense all need to be backups. Maybe, I interpreted you wrong but in your statement exists a huge contradition.

personally i have no gosh darn clue as to why people are saying that Troy will not be a good player because he's a heisman winner

You Cannot Base a Certain Players Future Performance off of what he's done in the past. so people should NOT jump to conclusions

Your saying that we should think he will be a good player due to him winning the heisman but we shouldnt judge him based on his past failures. You can not have it both ways.

Anyway, my position on Smith has nothing to do with his play. His physical size is not good enough for me. If you look at the top 10 QB's in the league 9 of them are 2 or 3 inches, most 5 or 6 inches, above 6 feet. There is only one exception and thats Drew Brees. So statistically speaking, Smith has a 1 and 10 shot at being a decent QB in this league. That doesnt say much.

[Raven07]

you are missing my point in what im saying though...i understand that he did it against the 2nd string players....BUT that being said.....the only reason for bringing him in was to see how he faired and how he has progressed thus far and what he needs to work on...and based on his performance i feel that he is ahead of schedule....do i think he's ready to start??? by all means...No as i have stated numerous times before......and i would think Billick would continue bringing in Troy to see how he is with each week of game-play and how he's progressing with each week.

[neepo13]

you are missing my point in what im saying though...i understand that he did it against the 2nd string players....BUT that being said.....the only reason for bringing him in was to see how he faired and how he has progressed thus far and what he needs to work on...and based on his performance i feel that he is ahead of schedule....do i think he's ready to start??? by all means...No as i have stated numerous times before......and i would think Billick would continue bringing in Troy to see how he is with each week of game-play and how he's progressing with each week.

And that by no means should be interpreted as Troy Smith being the future of this team. I want to see him succeed, I do, but like I said the numbers are against him. And anyways I am done having hope for the future QB of this team, I stopped doing that when I stopped making excuses for this teams short comings, I will believe it when I see it.

[Raven07]

forget what the numbers say.......Troy is trying to become the best player that he can for this team and help us out and get back to where we need to be at...those collegiate numbers and Heisman curse crap.....mean absolutely nothing. Its up to the player as to how he will perform. not because of "oh well history says this for most players so this may happen to him".... no Troy has shown great potential in what his game-play and what he is tryng to do. and i feel Troy will only continue to get better and better. he most certianly get worse and get lower than a rookie..noy thing to do is move forward and build upon what he's shown everyone and the coaches and buidl upon that.

[neepo13]

forget what the numbers say.......Troy is trying to become the best player that he can for this team and help us out and get back to where we need to be at...those collegiate numbers and Heisman curse crap.....mean absolutely nothing. Its up to the player as to how he will perform. not because of "oh well history says this for most players so this may happen to him".... no Troy has shown great potential in what his game-play and what he is tryng to do. and i feel Troy will only continue to get better and better. he most certianly get worse and get lower than a rookie..noy thing to do is move forward and build upon what he's shown everyone and the coaches and buidl upon that.

You dont think Steve McNair was trying his best. Kyle Boller never quits. Anthony Wright gave his all. Trying means absolutly nothing. And the numbers dont lie. And I am not speaking of his college stats when I say the numbers dont lie, I am speaking of the odds that, all things considered, Smith will be a good QB for us in the future. Its slim to none. Trying your best does not translate into wins, it helps but that does not mean you will succeed. Thats all I am saying.