Ravens Mock Draft

[Raven07]

i say it once...i say it a thousand times....... i doubt a yet another QB will be chosen for us...we REALLY need a player at CB that can play the position and play/learn VERY well. and will be able to perform/execute that Well on the field, in game day situations.

[neepo13]

Ask Miami how that turned out. Exhibit A: Cleo Lemon, Exhibit B: Jon Beck

Yeah they also had Exhibit A: Daunte Culpepper, isnt he a Raider now? And Exhibit B: Trent Green, Oh, I wonder how that worked out for the Dolphins?

Vets can suck to and the Dolphins are also a great example of that. Thanks. Because like I said vets cost to much and Trent Green and Culpepper DID cost the Phins alot of money and what did they get to show for it?

[neepo13]

i say it once...i say it a thousand times....... i doubt a yet another QB will be chosen for us...we REALLY need a player at CB that can play the position and play/learn VERY well. and will be able to perform/execute that Well on the field, in game day situations.

You know what we can draft another CB but without a franchise QB, we will SUCK. CB are worth nothing if your QB cant the job the done. You would think that after all this time, people would wake up and realize that a team has to have a good QB to win. And I am not so sure that we should be banking on Troy Smith because if he doesnt work out, 5 years from now we will have a shut down corner and a great defense with a sorry offense holding them back. Sort of like we have had over the past NINE years. I guess you folks are true students of Billick's philosphy. If it doesnt work the first time, keep trying until it does.

[Raven07]

lol how can we find a Franchise quarterback with this team if we keep drafting and/or bring in more and more Quarterbacks????...we dont actually NEED a Explosive QB type player...though it would help out..we just need him to do the right/proper things at the right time and get our offense down the field...because thats what an Offense's job is supposed to do.....just get the ball down the field and score...thats it....thats the MAIN job.

[neepo13]

lol how can we find a Franchise quarterback with this team if we keep drafting and/or bring in more and more Quarterbacks????...we dont actually NEED a Explosive QB type player...though it would help out..we just need him to do the right/proper things at the right time and get our offense down the field...because thats what an Offense's job is supposed to do.....just get the ball down the field and score...thats it....thats the MAIN job.

All, I am saying is that while we are auditioning for a franchise guy instead of putting all our hope into one guy, like we did with Boller, we should look at all our options. And make them earn the starting job. Handing Boller the job was a mistake, lets change that little philosphy of Billick's. I hate to use the Browns as an example because I really think they got lucky with Anderson but they had 3 guys battling it out. Eventually, one of em emerged and is probably taking them to the playoffs. Two guys gives us a better chance at finding our guy then just one. At least if it becomes painfully obvious that Smith is not the guy, like it did with Charlie Frye, we still have another option that may work out for us and we dont have to lose hope until a good QB comes through the draft again.

[neepo13]

lol how can we find a Franchise quarterback with this team if we keep drafting and/or bring in more and more Quarterbacks????...we dont actually NEED a Explosive QB type player...though it would help out..we just need him to do the right/proper things at the right time and get our offense down the field...because thats what an Offense's job is supposed to do.....just get the ball down the field and score...thats it....thats the MAIN job.

I had to write two post for you cause I agree with part of what you said.

The Qb doesnt have to be explosive he just has to not lose the game when we are ahead AND be able to help the team win we are behind. Thats what good NFL QB's do. McNair last year gave us a taste of that. Steve is obviously not our future but why not keep looking for someone who can do those same types of things.

[Raven07]

i think that if we bring in another veteran Quarterback type player....one to which has been there and done that...while being somewhat younger....and still able to get the job done when it counted....then do it....i mean if we Draft another quarterback....then thats MORE years/seasons of waiting for someone to "try" and develop into what we want....Troy gives us our best option at becoming the "future" as of right now.

[neepo13]

i think that if we bring in another veteran Quarterback type player....one to which has been there and done that...while being somewhat younger....and still able to get the job done when it counted....then do it....i mean if we Draft another quarterback....then thats MORE years/seasons of waiting for someone to "try" and develop into what we want....Troy gives us our best option at becoming the "future" as of right now.

If the coaching and team is right it doesnt have to take years to see a player develop. It took Derek Anderson, really one season to develop. Big Ben came in off the bench and went 15-1 his rookie year. Tom Brady, same thing. It only took Peyton one year. It took Palmer one year. Same thing with Romo. Jay Cutler isnt doing to bad. It all depends on whether the system and the players around the QB is correct. The reason we waited and waited for Boller to develop was because our system sucks and we didnt have good players when he first came in. We do have offensive talent now. The only thing missing is a good system and "the guy".

[Raven07]

yea it took Anderson 1 season to develop....into what he is thats very true BUT that being said.....not everyone is like Anderson and can learn that quickly...everyone is different and learns at their own pace...which cannot be adjusted towards anyone but the player/person themselves....so to judge a player on his development time towards other players who developed more quickly is not at all what anyone should do....a person learns/develops at their own pace, noone else's.

[neepo13]

yea it took Anderson 1 season to develop....into what he is thats very true BUT that being said.....not everyone is like Anderson and can learn that quickly...everyone is different and learns at their own pace...which cannot be adjusted towards anyone but the player/person themselves....so to judge a player on his development time towards other players who developed more quickly is not at all what anyone should do....a person learns/develops at their own pace, noone else's.

Anderson wasnt my only example. The trend around the league right now is that the best ones learn fast. Maybe Troy is like that but just in case he isnt we need more options.

[Raven07]

like i said before....everyone is different and therefore, learns at their own pace...and i dont see how anyone can judge someone else as being the "Best"......given the proper amount of time for a particular player.....i can see alot of Players being labeled as the "bes".

[neepo13]

like i said before....everyone is different and therefore, learns at their own pace...and i dont see how anyone can judge someone else as being the "Best"......given the proper amount of time for a particular player.....i can see alot of Players being labeled as the "bes".

Ok, well the top 10 Qb's in the league right now. They all learned very quickly, thats the one thing they have in common. I have never played football but my dad has and he played QB. And the one thing he told my brother when he went out for the team at his school is that if you dont get it once you have been through it, you never will.

[Raven07]

that's a hard statement to really take in because not everyone is alike and learns at the same pace. so it just may take a little more time for them to "get it".....none of this "one and done" crap.if that was the case....then the NFL would be without alot of players

[neepo13]

that's a hard statement to really take in because not everyone is alike and learns at the same pace. so it just may take a little more time for them to "get it".....none of this "one and done" crap.if that was the case....then the NFL would be without alot of players

I am talking about the QB position only. Other positions it does take time to learn to play the game and the best way to do that is to actually play but as far as reading defenses, that IS a one and done deal. Because you see it on the field, you see it on video, and you see it on the sideline, if you still cant learn to take advantage of it or you still cant read it correctly you never will. Thats just the nature of the beast.

[Raven07]

ok . so the same concept can work for that position too. because you cant really expect a Quarterback type player to Adjust to the NFL right off the bat, know where and when to throw the football.use their vision and ability to escpe the would be tacklers...and everything else i did not mention....noone is naturally born with those kinds of skills...they have to be learned and practiced upon so that they can execute them on a consistant basis.