Trade Idea: Osi Wants Out Of Ny

[GermanRavensFan]

I just came across the NY post. Osi Umenyiora is so pissed that he wants out of New York:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/osi_thinks_he_goner_kfbIlxB9fwZqFVHO2DQ6PO

Just for all the Suggs critics out there, who want to trade him.
We could need someone for the D-line, they are so deep at D-line but have LB issues.

Like I said, I just threw out an idea or scenario to talk about.

[theFRANCHISE]

Intriguing idea, but depends on what/who we'd give up. Though Suggs has significantly underperformed this season, too early to jump the gun on him; he still has provided pressure even when he hasn't finished plays.

That said, if they're fine with draft picks or raw undeveloped talent, there's a wealth of that on this team that the Giants might bite on, as well as some guys eating up a lot of cap if the cap were to be restored after 2010.

[FerrariFan87]

A 4th or 5th Rounder and a player should suffice... maybe McGahee?

[Wacko4Zacko]

Jeez if we traded Willis, Giants would have Jacobs, Bradshaw and McGahee?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' date='28 December 2009 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1262049664' post='325288']
Jeez if we traded Willis, Giants would have Jacobs, Bradshaw and [b]McGahee[/b]?
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and his huge fat contract

he is NOT going to be traded.....not going to happen

[SaVaGe]

This could be huge for us if we go for it. Our Dline is so old except for Ngata, pretty sure Bannan, Gregg, and pryce are all over 30. I think we had Barnes out the other day and he did pretty well against the Pitt line pass rushing. Have him opposite of Osi with Ngata commanding the double team.

[52Kia Kaha92]

i think they will give him up fairly cheaply if not just flat out cut him
I would think a trade of a 6th round draft pick, Tavares Gooden and a 2011 conditional pick for osi would work. They get a middle linebacker aswell as a pick and a pick that could be as high as a 2nd rounder next year.

I think a trade like that could work. However i think they will cut him.

[Ed_Reed20]

Osi would be a monster on this defense but how he becomes a Raven isn't the main issue; it's the money they would have to pay him.

[tweety]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 December 2009 - 10:21 PM' timestamp='1262056906' post='325396']
Osi would be a monster on this defense but how he becomes a Raven isn't the main issue; it's the money they would have to pay him.
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Money isn't an issue without a cap. Cap is the largest reason GMs are pressured to manage money tighter.

[PuRock]

How come our fans always want to trade for a good player but give the other team our scraps?

Like, Let's trade McGahee & Chris Carr for Osi.

I'm surprised we haven't seen, Let's trade them Troy Smith for Osi.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='tweety' date='28 December 2009 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1262057247' post='325400']
Money isn't an issue without a cap. Cap is the largest reason GMs are pressured to manage money tighter.
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Even without a cap, though, there will be checks and balances put in place to prevent massive cap-dumping or over-spending. That way, if the cap is restored again (which it presumably will), most teams won't put themselves in a position to go bankrupt when there's labor peace.

[JO_75]

Osi is mainly a 4-3 guy though right? If somehow Mattison goes back to the 3-4(Which I hope he does because it would greatly help the team in the long run instead of being stuck with a bunch of 3-4 guys trying to play in a 4-3) than Osi is useless as it is unknown if he would transition to a 3-4 defensive tackle or OLB or whatever position he would be.

Now if we stay in the 4-3, than sure I would entertain the idea but aren't we pretty stacked at DE, I mean Pryce, Ngata, Edwards and whoever else we got so maybe they could take Edwards or bannan or even Gooden and just move Ellerbe into his spot for next year.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='JO_75' date='28 December 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1262058113' post='325409']
Osi is mainly a 4-3 guy though right? If somehow Mattison goes back to the 3-4(Which I hope he does because it would greatly help the team in the long run instead of being stuck with a bunch of 3-4 guys trying to play in a 4-3) than Osi is useless as it is unknown if he would transition to a 3-4 defensive tackle or OLB or whatever position he would be.

Now if we stay in the 4-3, than sure I would entertain the idea but aren't we pretty stacked at DE, I mean Pryce, Ngata, Edwards and whoever else we got so maybe they could take Edwards or bannan or even Gooden and just move Ellerbe into his spot for next year.
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As much as i hated the idea of being in a 4-3 at the beginning of the season, it looks like we have developed into a run stopping machine. And with the way our D-Line is playing and the athleticism of our LB's like JJ and Kruger/Suggs, i would invite the idea of having another beast DE oppoite of a healthy Ngata. I mean come on, an issue we have is pass rush and that would be a BEAST of a 4-3 type defensive type. But im just dreaming, if it would come true id be ecstatic..

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='JO_75' date='28 December 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1262058113' post='325409']


Now if we stay in the 4-3, than sure I would entertain the idea but aren't we pretty stacked at DE, I mean Pryce, Ngata, Edwards and whoever else we got so maybe they could take Edwards or bannan or even Gooden and just move Ellerbe into his spot for next year.
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We have an alright DLine as of right now, but Pryce, and K Gregg are getting older, and i can see T.Good getting laid out on every play if he were playing in a 3-point stance. Im not too sure if Banaan is a good DE or not but i definately dont mind D. Edwards as he grows into our defense i see him possibly taking over for Pryce or Gregg on the inside...Just my own thoughts

[J-man]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='28 December 2009 - 08:19 PM' timestamp='1262049573' post='325285']
A 4th or 5th Rounder and a player should suffice... maybe McGahee?
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More like a 2nd and McGahee although they really dont need another RB considering how much they would have to pay McGahee. Osi is growing into the one best pass rushers in the league, well at least that's my opinion.

Anyway, if the Ravens wouldn't trade for a big name WR, then I doubt they would for Osi. But we do need a end becaue Pryce is about done.

[RavingRaven]

Suggs for Osi and Terrell Thomas? Then throw Smith and Willis for Steve Smith?

[edreedfromtheu]

Draft Derrick Morgan from Georgia Tech. Plain and simple.

[XxSizzleXx]

Trading Suggs for Umenyiora would simply be preposterous. Umenyiora is a good pass rusher yes but the knack on him is he isn't that great against the run. I just don't see any spot that Umenyiora could fit into our lineup.

[52Kia Kaha92]

trade a third, Tavares Gooden and possibly another young guy such as Prescott Burgess or Jason Phillips for Osi. Then draft Jerry Hughes with our first round pick and have the most kick ****** defense in the league.

LE - Jerry Hughes
UT - Haloti Ngata
NT - Kelly Talavou
RE - Osi Umenyiora
LOLB - Terrell Suggs
ILB - Ray Lewis
ROLB - Jarrett Johnson
CB - Lardarius Webb
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Dawan Landry
CB - Domonique Foxworth

That defense is downright scary. You have a freakish front four that no one could run on. Ngata and Talavou inside just isnt fair to other teams. They are both over 350 pounds and it just wouldnt be fair. Then if they trun to run outside they get jammed by two of the best run stopping OLB's in the game in Johnson and suggs (trust me, Suggs would make an excellent OLB). Then the front seven would get a great pass rush with Osi and Hughes on the outside and the possiblity of Johnson or Suggs coming from the linebacker spot aswell as two big bodies pushing the pocket. Add that to a more savy Lardarius Webb and a much improved Foxworth to go with Ed and the much improved Dawan Landry and you have the best defense in the NFL. No one would be able to run on us and with that pass rushing group (keep in mind we still ahve pass rushers like Barnes, Kruger and McClain that can rotate in) this defense would have no weaknesses at all. Getting Osi and drafting another Pass rusher such as hughes makes this defense unstoppable.

[bauer77]

my best friend is a die-hard Giants fan and from what he has told me Osi is garbage against the run. and he isnt even the best DE on that team. Justin Tuck is better than him

[MagicianCamille]

I prefer drafting the talented young defensive players for cheap and watching them grow in our system.

Drafting players has always worked out better for us than free agency moves/trades...

[AlaskanRavensFan]

Osi has recently been demoted to the second string and has been more as a situational pass rusher. I'm not sure if it's purely based on his performance on the field because the Giants did spend a 1st round pick on Mathias Kiwanuka. I'm sure that when he filled in well for Osi last year the Giants org. wanted Kiwanuka to continue to perform at a high level and earn is salary.

Let's not forget that he blew out his knee a year ago. Not sure if he's the same player. he's got 7 sacks this year, but he was also demoted to the second team. Perhaps he was not playing the run well or just being undisciplined on or off the field.

Despite the many posters here who are sure we run a 4-3 exclusively, we actually run both 3 and 4 man fronts. In fact every game that we have played the defense is introduced as a 3-4. 3-4: Gregg plays NT, Ngata and Edwards/Pryce are the DE's with Suggs and JJ as OLBs, Ray and Gooden/Ellerbe as ILBs.

When we do run 4-3: Suggs and Pryce/Edwards are DEs with Gregg/ Ngata as the DTs. Our defense is full of tweeners so we tend to play a lot of different fronts. Which is a hold over from Marvin Lewis (Thanks Marvin)

By the way Osi is 6'3" 261 Suggs 6'3" 260 (a 4-3 end is usually the same type of athlete as 3-4 OLB, especially the weak side backer.

[makaha]

idk why but this situation reminds me of willis if we were serious in gettin him

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I would prefer to build from the draft, we draft defensive players very well.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='29 December 2009 - 04:20 AM' timestamp='1262078418' post='325572']
I would prefer to build from the draft, we draft defensive players very well.
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yeah i know look at ed reed and ray lewis

[I AM LEGEND]

Why do we want a DE that just spent his whole season getting exposed as a horrible run stopper?

That's the last thing we need...with a 15 year veteran LB in the middle of the field..RB's would be licking their chops to play us..

Draft a DE

trade for a WR

[Bltravens]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' date='29 December 2009 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1262095628' post='325617']
Why do we want a DE that just spent his whole season getting exposed as a horrible run stopper?

That's the last thing we need...with a 15 year veteran LB in the middle of the field..RB's would be licking their chops to play us..

Draft a DE

trade for a WR
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I dont know too many RBs that "lick their chops" when they see Ray Lewis 10 yards in front of them... even if he was 40

[Jamal]

I don't know. He just seems like another Suggs.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' date='29 December 2009 - 01:32 PM' timestamp='1262115161' post='325869']
I don't know. He just seems like another Suggs.
[/quote]
Suggs healthy and in shape is the best 3-4 OLB in the league. Alot of you guys want to chastise the guy because he had 1 bad year in 7 and it just happened to coincide with an injury at the end of the season, a big contract, and we're lucky only a knee sprain he could just have easily blown that knee out and never been the same. Next year if hes been as mediocre as he has been this year, then complaints will be warranted as of right now not so much.

[H8R]

Not interested, Osi has an attitude problem from the chatter in NY. Also, we would need to pay him pretty big money. Willis is not an option, I dont think we can find anyone to pick up the tab on him. He'll be cut, if anything at all.