Officials Calling Our Players "boy"?

[Raven07]

i dont think it really matters whether the ref is black or not....what is in question here is in hte manner to which it was said and to which he said it More times than just once.

[neepo13]

Well put baer, well put for both sides. Both players and referees should keep their calm during a game towards each other, especially the referees. Don't get me wrong from my previous posts, calling him boy is inexcusable, but Scott throwing a flag is not a good answer. Also, like I suggested, if he cannot stay calm during a game as a referee, he should be placed somewhere else, such as the NCAA, and if further problems occur, removed. Fines just seem ridiculous.

I agree that Bart Scott needs to be punished but not only by the league but by the team. I think thats the reason the players are so out of control, one of those coaches in that locker room need to put their foot down and say enough is enough.

As for the refs, I actually think they should receive some punishment everytime a bad call changes the out come of the game. Arizona V. Cleveland is a great example. They need to get the calls right the first time and I think the refs have way to much control. The NFL rule book is so vague that to many calls depend solely on the judgement of the ref and thats not good enough.

[bgroves1]

What about the block in the back on the Ravens defender (dont remember who) during Maroney's big catch-n-run in the 4th? That was an attrocious no-call.

However, what Raven07 I think means is that historically our team gets more bad calls against us than teams we play have bad calls against them. If you looked at a history of Todd Heap then you'd realize how many bad calls there have been against him alone. Like that TD catch against the Bengals that was ruled out of bounds (I think thats what it was). I think in the 2003-2004 it was particularly awful.

Long story short: I agree with my boy Raven07.

Pretty sure it was Bart Scott who got blocked in the back and yes it was an "attrocious no-call"

[RayLewisIsGod]

Pretty sure it was Bart Scott who got blocked in the back and yes it was an "attrocious no-call"

How about the "attrocious no-call" of offensive pass interference on the last play, which occurred THREE times by Derrick Mason. We can't just pay attention to everything that doesn't go our way and say the referees are against us.

[Ravens52]

How about the "attrocious no-call" of offensive pass interference on the last play, which occurred THREE times by Derrick Mason. We can't just pay attention to everything that doesn't go our way and say the referees are against us.

Yeah, I gotta admit it was pretty entertaining watching Mason mow down the Patriots DBs down field. He pretty much tackled Asante Samuel to the ground.

[RayLewisIsGod]

Yeah, I gotta admit it was pretty entertaining watching Mason mow down the Patriots DBs down field. He pretty much tackled Asante Samuel to the ground.

Yea haha, one guy was thrown to the ground, one was pushed out of the way, and another was held down by his shoulderpads...all by Derrick in the same play. Pretty sure that's the only way the ball was able to be snagged by our team and not theirs, or simply batted to the ground. Either way was entertaining to watch them get destroyed in the replay

[neepo13]

How about the "attrocious no-call" of offensive pass interference on the last play, which occurred THREE times by Derrick Mason. We can't just pay attention to everything that doesn't go our way and say the referees are against us.

You are right but you are wrong at the same time. If the refs get the block in the back call right, the game doesnt come down to Mason interfering at the goal line. Because if I am not mistaken on the illegal block play New England was already backed up an extra 12 yards. If they tack on an extra penalty thats second and 30 something. I am more then confident our D would have got the stop. But a penalty is a penalty and I am willing to bet good money that if Clayton gets the ball into the end zone on that last play, the flag comes out late on Mason.

[Raven07]

ahem....i thought we were past this game already....

[RayLewisIsGod]

You are right but you are wrong at the same time. If the refs get the block in the back call right, the game doesnt come down to Mason interfering at the goal line. Because if I am not mistaken on the illegal block play New England was already backed up an extra 12 yards. If they tack on an extra penalty thats second and 30 something. I am more then confident our D would have got the stop. But a penalty is a penalty and I am willing to bet good money that if Clayton gets the ball into the end zone on that last play, the flag comes out late on Mason.

I'm just making the point that the referees weren't out to get us...there were missed calls on both sides...

[neepo13]

I'm just making the point that the referees weren't out to get us...there were missed calls on both sides...

I agree with there being missed calls on both sides. As far as the refs being out to get us, I will hold off judgement until the season ends because over the past few seasons, I dont think the refs have made more down right horrible calls that went against one team then they have for the Ravens.

[RayLewisIsGod]

I agree with there being missed calls on both sides. As far as the refs being out to get us, I will hold off judgement until the season ends because over the past few seasons, I dont think the refs have made more down right horrible calls that went against one team then they have for the Ravens.

And I'm sure tons of other fans of other teams feel the same about their team. To say that referees have made more horrible calls towards us is ridiculous. It may be possible that when EVERY bad call (downright impossible to collect) is brought together, the Ravens MAY have a few more than the other teams, but it isn't because of biased calling. The referees call the game to the best of their ability, if they make a mistake, it's because they are human. In the case that a referee is somehow hired after being biased, I'm sure any calls he makes that are obviously biased will get him removed from being an NFL referee.

[neepo13]

And I'm sure tons of other fans of other teams feel the same about their team. To say that referees have made more horrible calls towards us is ridiculous. It may be possible that when EVERY bad call (downright impossible to collect) is brought together, the Ravens MAY have a few more than the other teams, but it isn't because of biased calling. The referees call the game to the best of their ability, if they make a mistake, it's because they are human. In the case that a referee is somehow hired after being biased, I'm sure any calls he makes that are obviously biased will get him removed from being an NFL referee.

Thats your opinion and you have that right but because of all the horrible calls I have seen go against the Ravens, it is difficult for me to have that kind of faith in the refs. And with everything that has happened in other sports leagues with the refs, I wouldnt jump to a hasty judgement about the refs calling the game to the best of their ability. I know the Ravens are not the only team that has bad calls go against them, in fact I have noticed a very disturbing trend. The expansion teams of the 90's, Ravens, Jaguars, and Panthers, are the most victimized by horrible calls.

[RayLewisIsGod]

Thats your opinion and you have that right but because of all the horrible calls I have seen go against the Ravens, it is difficult for me to have that kind of faith in the refs. And with everything that has happened in other sports leagues with the refs, I wouldnt jump to a hasty judgement about the refs calling the game to the best of their ability. I know the Ravens are not the only team that has bad calls go against them, in fact I have noticed a very disturbing trend. The expansion teams of the 90's, Ravens, Jaguars, and Panthers, are the most victimized by horrible calls.

Yes, I'm sure the referees all got together and said, 'Hey guys these teams are still pretty new to the NFL so let's make bad calls for them!"

Get real.

[neepo13]

Does any one remember Suggs getting tossed for "Malice in his heart" against the Lions? SOME of the refs may hate us, but not all. I know when ever you see Ed Hochuli's crew, it will be a fair game, I may not like the calls but he is consistent.

Refs are human too, but if he was smack talking all game he needs to go.

If I am not mistaken we had 2 players tossed that game. It was called by Mike Curry, everytime, I see that he is the head ref of the Ravens game, I know we are going to lose. He HATES us.

[neepo13]

Yes, I'm sure the referees all got together and said, 'Hey guys these teams are still pretty new to the NFL so let's make bad calls for them!"

Get real.

Not literally but like we have said refs are human and I am more then sure there are refs that are fans of some of the older teams. Jaguars got screwed vs. the Colts and it happens all the time. Its just something I have noticed. Take it how you want.

[RavensRock!]

But how is calling him 'boy' a big deal? So it was disrespectful, why couldn't Samari ignore him? Okay so he's a washed up NFL player way past his playing days...so ignore him. If it's such an issue, take it up with the coach/league after the game, don't make a scene right there (like Scott did) and get yourself in trouble.

But how is calling him 'boy' a big deal?

Sorry fellas, but for a so-called "impartial official" to call ANY player on EITHER team ANYTHING other than their name, is wrong, inflammatory, and amounts to "taunting" by the official! Period.

[Raven07]

any sort of Taunting or un-neccessary tone of action by an offical i would think/hope would be highly un-neccessary by all aspects and with all do respect.