Comments About Ozzie And Coach Harbaugh

[ROH522155]

I'm a big fan of the Scott and Anita show. I watch it on MASN whenever I get the chance and I absolutely HATE callers who have NO idea what they are talking about.

A caller called in today and went off about The Wiz and coach Harbaugh. He said stuff like "I'm sick of the this stuff man weve needed a wide reciever and corner for a couple years now and still dont have either!" "Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome need to be fired!" WHAT!!!????
First off, Coach Harbaugh led us to the AFC Championship Game in his first year last year and is about to get us into the postseason again.

Second, Ozzie has been everything a team could ask for in a gm and then some! Let me put this in perspective for you. This decade the Ravens have:

2 division titles
5 playoff berths going on 6
7 postseason wins
Weve drafted multiple pro bowlers
1 Super Bowl title

I'll take that anyday!

yea Ozzie and Harbaugh definitely need to go

[theFRANCHISE]

Hitting on a quality WR or a quality CB isn't as easy as it looks; the failure rate of both positions is high, especially given the complexity of their jobs. If they saw more contact, they'd have a shorter shelf life than RBs. Given that they tend to work in open space more frequently than RBs, however, they take harder hits given the velocity at which their bodies are throttled against other bodies flying on the field.

That said, how many teams really have a shutdown corner or anything close to it? How many teams have more than just a #1 receiver? How many superstars are there really at each position?

These things take time. Fact of the matter is, though Ozzie shouldn't be immune to criticism, it's not as if he's not TRYING, as some of those callers imply.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='21 December 2009 - 10:47 PM' timestamp='1261453671' post='318531']
Hitting on a quality WR or a quality CB isn't as easy as it looks; the failure rate of both positions is high, especially given the complexity of their jobs. If they saw more contact, they'd have a shorter shelf life than RBs. Given that they tend to work in open space more frequently than RBs, however, they take harder hits given the velocity at which their bodies are throttled against other bodies flying on the field.

That said, how many teams really have a shutdown corner or anything close to it? How many teams have more than just a #1 receiver? How many superstars are there really at each position?

These things take time. Fact of the matter is, though Ozzie shouldn't be immune to criticism, it's not as if he's not TRYING, as some of those callers imply.
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Exactly he is trying. He signed Foxworth who I dont think deserves nearly the amount of critisism that he gets around here, traded for Washington, drafted Webb. And at wide reciever, I think Clayton and Williams are VERY talented guys and just need more opportunities. I have a feeling that if Clayton goes elsewhere after this year he will be VERY effective for whichever team picks him up.

[McBoller]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='21 December 2009 - 10:47 PM' timestamp='1261453671' post='318531']
Hitting on a quality WR or a quality CB isn't as easy as it looks; the failure rate of both positions is high, especially given the complexity of their jobs. If they saw more contact, they'd have a shorter shelf life than RBs. Given that they tend to work in open space more frequently than RBs, however, they take harder hits given the velocity at which their bodies are throttled against other bodies flying on the field.

That said, how many teams really have a shutdown corner or anything close to it? How many teams have more than just a #1 receiver? How many superstars are there really at each position?

These things take time. Fact of the matter is, though Ozzie shouldn't be immune to criticism, it's not as if he's not TRYING, as some of those callers imply.
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Couldn't agree more. There are probably less than 10 "shutdown" corners and 10 "elite" receivers in the NFL, and ppl wants the coaches and FO's heads bc we don't have two of each. You can't strike gold at every position every year. We did well at qb and rb last year and we did well at ot and cb this year. If we get two studs per draft that's pretty darn good.

[theFRANCHISE]

There are also a lot of external factors as to why there's been a lot of misses at those two positions.

- Injuries to CB have depleted the unit regularly since 2005
- The offense hasn't had consistency throughout the team's history
- There hadn't been a decent QB since Testaverde then Dilfer left
- The defensive scheme over the years has constantly evolved to the point where the corners have had to learn to play man alone -- not easy by any stretch
- Playing the Steelers twice a year makes any offense look bad
- There have been greater needs year-in and year-out that cause those positions to be neglected every so often
- The market hasn't always been there to address either position in free agency
- Two words: Terrell Owens (for those who remember 2004)

And so on, and so forth. Lots of excuses, I know, but it's not as if Ozzie has just twiddled his thumbs this whole time.

[gilgamesh]

Yes, we needed a corner, so we drafted Webb. So Ozzie did draft a corner(even if he played safety in college). With the WR situation, Ozzie has had trouble drafting this position, but it is a difficult position to draft and develop. It's is not like drafting one this year or last year would have some sort of profound impact on this team. There will be no 1000 yard rookie WR this year. There will probably be only be one 2nd year WR reaching 1000(D. Jackson), unless a couple of receivers average over 100 for the last two games. Rice is currently fourth in receiving yardage in that class (and first in receptions). If Ozzie listened to some people, then Joe would be trying to throw to Nicks from his back all year. Either that or get ten holding penalties a game by Cousins. Forget WR, that is a real nightmare scenario.

[flynismo]

The Nicks observation isnt a fair one to make, because absolutely no one could have foreseen Oher dropping as far as he did. And even as far as he dropped, we still had to trade up to get him.
Most people here were wanting either Nicks or Britt, or one of several CB's, because those were the guys we expected to be available. Had Oher not fallen into our laps, it would have been perfectly reasonable to expect Oz to have addressed WR.


[quote name='gilgamesh' date='21 December 2009 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1261455254' post='318551']
Yes, we needed a corner, so we drafted Webb. So Ozzie did draft a corner(even if he played safety in college). With the WR situation, Ozzie has had trouble drafting this position, but it is a difficult position to draft and develop. It's is not like drafting one this year or last year would have some sort of profound impact on this team. There will be no 1000 yard rookie WR this year. There will probably be only be one 2nd year WR reaching 1000(D. Jackson), unless a couple of receivers average over 100 for the last two games. Rice is currently fourth in receiving yardage in that class (and first in receptions). If Ozzie listened to some people, then Joe would be trying to throw to Nicks from his back all year. Either that or get ten holding penalties a game by Cousins. Forget WR, that is a real nightmare scenario.
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[Alexir]

I thought it weird that Ozzie went after Jason Phillips, Davon Drew and Cedric Peerman when he could have brought in some more DBs and WRs. I mean I'm pretty sure Johnny Knox was still available. We had Heap and LJ and Drew doesn't really look like he will make it in the NFL.

I don't think we need 1st rounders on CBs and WRs, we can get them in later rounds or undrafted but to throw picks around for linebackers, running backs and TEs when they arent our weaknesses is pretty stupid.

Next year's draft class is pretty deep so hopefully we all get what we want.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Alexir' date='21 December 2009 - 11:42 PM' timestamp='1261456968' post='318568']
I don't think we need 1st rounders on CBs and WRs, we can get them in later rounds or undrafted but to throw picks around for linebackers, running backs and TEs when they arent our weaknesses is pretty stupid.

Next year's draft class is pretty deep so hopefully we all get what we want.
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At the time, the assumption was that the roster was pretty loaded headed into the draft, so you draft for the future rather than immediacy, especially if immediacy has already been addressed. This idea is something that runs common with all of the more successful teams, as this long-term planning eventually pays off when a key injury strikes. Better to have too many good players at one position than not enough -- just look at how it's worked reasonably well for the LB corps this year or the D-Linemen last year.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

I agree, i hate those people, and sadly, some like to come on these forums somtimes too...

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='BohBalmerOsbohs' date='22 December 2009 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1261457859' post='318580']
I agree, i hate those people, and sadly, some like to come on these forums somtimes too...
[/quote]
Mmm. Everyone has their opinions, some are silly unfortunately.

[SC Ravens Fan]

Ozzie is one of the best if not the best in the league at drafting well. Most other teams would die to have him in their FO. Some people are just plain ignorant.

[POPS1]

That's what you get for listening to sports talk shows!!!

[PIG 20]

I don't listen to local radio because I would say that 80% of the people who call in are idiots. They make me want to punch my radio. Oh and not to mention that Anita Marks makes me want to drive a screwdriver through my skull.

[MiselisM]

Ozzie is one of the best draft gurus in the league. The caller was probably a bandwagoner, or a browns fan for that matter.

[Radinho84]

ozzie is pretty good. of course there will be time when nu say: damn we could have gotten thia one or that one, but at the end of the day u have a pro bowl caliber guy at every years draft picked up by him. oher is the best tackle this year. way better then the two overrated smith guys!! i also whanted a qulity receiver for us too, but i am very happy with the way it all tourned out for us. i am sure that kruger and the lb from ir will be beasts in the future. we never draft bad defensive players. there was a reason oz picked them. we r not all in his mind :-)

[RedFire]

but it's like how do the stillers get mike wallace and santonio holmes after succesful campaigns and drafting low?

how are the steelers able to maintain talent with little fall off when they don't get high draft picks?


how do thet steelers draft? they can easily do next man up at the skills positions.
granted they have a bad offesnive line...but it doesn't phase them cuz tommy maddox ain't back there.

[neepo13]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='21 December 2009 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1261453886' post='318536']
Exactly he is trying. He signed Foxworth who I dont think deserves nearly the amount of critisism that he gets around here, traded for Washington, drafted Webb. And at wide reciever, I think Clayton and Williams are VERY talented guys and just need more opportunities. [b]I have a feeling that if Clayton goes elsewhere after this year he will be VERY effective for whichever team picks him up.[/b]
[/quote]
I feel the same way about Williams. I dont think its a coincidence that the season they both showed so much potential and had us excited about their future was the season that they had a solid veteran QB under center.

I dont think either of them will ever be the perenial pro bowlers that this fanbase wants but I do believe they have the ability to help us win.

[neepo13]

[quote name='PIG 20' date='22 December 2009 - 08:45 AM' timestamp='1261489527' post='318719']
I don't listen to local radio because I would say that 80% of the people who call in are idiots. They make me want to punch my radio. Oh and not to mention that Anita Marks makes me want to drive a screwdriver through my skull.
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Marks makes me sick. It gets harder to listen to her everyday. She wasnt always THAT bad.

[MsMarvel73]

I am so sick of the 'Ozzie's got to go" talk.

My reasons in six words:

[size="4"][b]Jonathan Ogden

Ray Lewis

Ed Reed.[/b][/size]



Man can't be perfect all the time. I get the impression a lot of times that the draft is really subjective...and can be hit-or-miss. I think the Ravens have been on the good end a lot more than the bad.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='neepo13' date='22 December 2009 - 09:49 AM' timestamp='1261493378' post='318754']
I feel the same way about Williams. I dont think its a coincidence that the season they both showed so much potential and had us excited about their future was the season that they had [b]a solid veteran QB under center. [/b]

I dont think either of them will ever be the perennial pro bowlers that this fanbase wants but I do believe they have the ability to help us win.
[/quote]

Look what Peyton is doing with guys like Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon... it's all about the QB in this league. Also, what Eli Manning is doing in NY with all of their young WRs is impressive.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='neepo13' date='22 December 2009 - 09:49 AM' timestamp='1261493378' post='318754']
I feel the same way about Williams. I dont think its a coincidence that the season they both showed so much potential and had us excited about their future was the season that they had a solid veteran QB under center.

I dont think either of them will ever be the perenial pro bowlers that this fanbase wants but I do believe they have the ability to help us win.
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Im with ya

[neepo13]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='22 December 2009 - 10:06 AM' timestamp='1261494404' post='318765']
Look what Peyton is doing with guys like Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon... it's all about the QB in this league. Also, what Eli Manning is doing in NY with all of their young WRs is impressive.
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Wallace in Pitt. Colston with Brees. None of those guys would have made here with our QB situation.

[Jamal]

Yeah I saw that yesterday. That guy seems to call every week, and its pretty obvious he has no clue what hes talking about. He also said Rice, AP, and CJ are all one hit wonders.

Scott and Anita don't even respond to this guy anymore, and just go to the next caller because they know hes an idiot.

I'm pretty sure about 25 other teams would love to have Ozzie.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='21 December 2009 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1261454189' post='318541']
There are also a lot of external factors as to why there's been a lot of misses at those two positions.

- Injuries to CB have depleted the unit regularly since 2005
- The offense hasn't had consistency throughout the team's history
- There hadn't been a decent QB since Testaverde then Dilfer left
- The defensive scheme over the years has constantly evolved to the point where the corners have had to learn to play man alone -- not easy by any stretch
- Playing the Steelers twice a year makes any offense look bad
- There have been greater needs year-in and year-out that cause those positions to be neglected every so often
- The market hasn't always been there to address either position in free agency
- Two words: Terrell Owens (for those who remember 2004)

And so on, and so forth. Lots of excuses, I know, but it's not as if Ozzie has just twiddled his thumbs this whole time.
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include the runrunrun pass for 4 yards type play calling that also crippled the offense.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Jamal' date='22 December 2009 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1261505212' post='318968']
Yeah I saw that yesterday. That guy seems to call every week, and its pretty obvious he has no clue what hes talking about. He also said Rice, AP, and CJ are all one hit wonders.

Scott and Anita don't even respond to this guy anymore, and just go to the next caller because they know hes an idiot.

I'm pretty sure about 25 other teams would love to have Ozzie.
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yea he said enjoy Ray Rice for this year because next year he will be figured out and will struggle. Same with Chris Johnson even though he was great last year as well. Moron

[neepo13]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='22 December 2009 - 03:47 PM' timestamp='1261514835' post='319072']
yea he said enjoy Ray Rice for this year because next year he will be figured out and will struggle. Same with Chris Johnson even though he was great last year as well. Moron
[/quote]
Ray Rice has been spectacular but teams are going to find a way to take him out of the game plan. The problem is, like we saw yesterday, we do have enough talent at QB, TE, and WR, to take advantage of that. I hope the Steelers commit to taking Rice away.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='neepo13' date='22 December 2009 - 04:04 PM' timestamp='1261515845' post='319090']
Ray Rice has been spectacular but teams are going to find a way to take him out of the game plan. The problem is, like we saw yesterday, we do have enough talent at QB, TE, and WR, to take advantage of that. [b]I hope the Steelers commit to taking Rice away.[/b][/quote]

I'm sure thats exactly what they'll try to do

[Alexir]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' date='22 December 2009 - 09:58 AM' timestamp='1261493902' post='318760']
I am so sick of the 'Ozzie's got to go" talk.

My reasons in six words:

[size="4"][b]Jonathan Ogden

Ray Lewis

Ed Reed.[/b][/size]



Man can't be perfect all the time. I get the impression a lot of times that the draft is really subjective...and can be hit-or-miss. I think the Ravens have been on the good end a lot more than the bad.
[/quote]

I read that he wanted someone else instead of Ed Reed but they were taken so he took Ed instead. No one doubts his first round picks but after that it gets questionable. But in all honesty, the draft is a crap shoot. You can waste a first rounder on Boller who did great on college or you can get a gem in the 5th like Tom Brady.

My problem is he is too reliant on the draft and won't make many trades. That and when he does draft players he doesn't really develop them long.

3 Pro Bowlers I can think of right now that we cut: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison, Derek Anderson (say what you will but hes been to the pro bowl)

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Alexir' date='22 December 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1261520130' post='319150']
I read that he wanted someone else instead of Ed Reed but they were taken so he took Ed instead. No one doubts his first round picks but after that it gets questionable. But in all honesty, the draft is a crap shoot. You can waste a first rounder on Boller who did great on college or you can get a gem in the 5th like Tom Brady.

My problem is he is too reliant on the draft and won't make many trades. That and when he does draft players he doesn't really develop them long.

3 Pro Bowlers I can think of right now that we cut: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison, Derek Anderson (say what you will but hes been to the pro bowl)
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And how many probowlers have we drafted and kept? Lewis, Ogden, Boulware, McAlister, Heap, Reed, Suggs, Jamal Lewis, McClain, Adalius Thomas, and pretty soon Rice, Flacco, Oher, maybe Grubbs, Webb?, Jason Brown, Who am I missing?

And weve also drafted non probowlers but players that contibuted a lot like Jermaine Lewis, Duane Starks(he didnt go to a probowl did he?), Jamie Sharper, Ed Hartwell, Edwin Mulitalo, Dwan Edwards, Dawan Landry, Gary Baxter, Jarret Johnson