Desean Jackson Or Ray Rice

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

McNabb can utilise Jackson better than Flacco could anyway.

We're a running team, Philly is a passing team. Both players respectively suit each team better, and are both doing fantastic jobs for their teams.

[bce086]

[quote name='AlaskanRavensFan' date='16 December 2009 - 08:41 PM' timestamp='1261014101' post='313875']
So you agree that Jackson has a character issue and that he's soft but you singled out the legal comment to call rude. Aite whatever.
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Yes, because the only character issue he's shown me is being cocky which may translate into the mindset that he doesn't have to practice/train as hard as his teammates.

Kruger got stabbed at a party, do you think he will have legal problems? Sounds like your judging people so keep em coming...

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='17 December 2009 - 12:59 AM' timestamp='1261029572' post='313944']
Rice is our leading rusher. [b]Rice is our leading receiver.[/b] Rice is a pass-blocker.

Jackson could be our leading receiver, we wouldn't get that all round use that we do from Rice, however.

So I'm happy with Ray; but DeSean Jackson is a fantastic player too.
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Rice has the most catches, but Mason has more yards and more touchdowns. One could easily argue that Rice is one of best receivers because we don't have any prolific receivers.

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='17 December 2009 - 05:33 AM' timestamp='1261046026' post='313978']
McNabb can utilise Jackson better than Flacco could anyway.

[b]We're a running team, Philly is a passing team.[/b] Both players respectively suit each team better, and are both doing fantastic jobs for their teams.
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Isn't it possible that we're a running team because we don't have many players to pass to? O.o

The top five passing teams have a combined record of 50-15 (.769) and four of the teams are at the top of their divisions. The top five rushing teams have a combined record of 38-27 (.584) and only one team is at the top of their division, but even that's deceptive because the Saints are a top team in both categories.

I'd take a good receiver over a running back.

[Shawn`]

If Ray Rice returns a punt, you can forget about Desean Jackson.

[codizzle]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 December 2009 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1261060947' post='314015']
Rice has the most catches, but Mason has more yards and more touchdowns. One could easily argue that Rice is one of best receivers because we don't have any prolific receivers.


Isn't it possible that we're a running team because we don't have many players to pass to? O.o

The top five passing teams have a combined record of 50-15 (.769) and four of the teams are at the top of their divisions. The top five rushing teams have a combined record of 38-27 (.584) and only one team is at the top of their division, but even that's deceptive because the Saints are a top team in both categories.

I'd take a good receiver over a running back.
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see what teams consistently make the playoffs and win the superbowl (with the exception of Peyton Manning lol).... Its the teams that can run the ball and play D.. even the year Peyton won it guess what they had... a great D

[ravensfan160]

I think most of you are ignoring my point about it being primarily just for this season. Teams have gone all in for a 1 or 2 year window to win the Super Bowl (like we did in an attempt to repeat) so its not all that uncommon. For this season we would still have a productive combo of McGahee and McClain to run it but now would have a dynamic receiver in the passing game. Jackson has something like 8 TDs of over 50 yards this season. Its a record. My point about the future being we would probably lose McGahee in the offseason and then have a void at RB so either way we're missing something moving forward whether it be a RB or WR.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='16 December 2009 - 11:05 PM' timestamp='1261022741' post='313931']
It's a good thing he's in a soft division like the NFC East. He only has to play top ten defenses at least six times a year. What would he do if he played in Baltimore and had to face the Browns?
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NFC East has the top defenses? Maybe you didn't see the Giants/Eagles games (either of them this year).

[Tank 92]

This a complete no brainer. Why would anyone give up a Ray Rice for an undersized receiver/kick returner? Ray has proven he has game changing abilities whether running or receiving. And he is a Team player to boot.

Ozzie will find the receiver we need and I guarantee he will be taller than 5' 10' !

[tweety]

The RB position comes more consistent than the WR position. Last week Moss had like 20 yards. A rb consistently puts up 70 yards and a touchdown and recieves the ball 25 times a game. A wr would break a record if they touch the ball 25 times. Jackson had some games where he had 20 yards.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='17 December 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1261083744' post='314224']
NFC East has the top defenses? Maybe you didn't see the Giants/Eagles games (either of them this year).
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Have you ever seen the Browns attempt to play football? Or even the Bengals most years? If we're going to use single games, we might as well examine Baltimore's pathetic "defense" in most of the Colts games.

Obviously, the East isn't perfect, but they generally have very good defenses, which is more than can be said about at least half of the teams in the AFC North.

[quote name='jt3751' date='17 December 2009 - 04:24 PM' timestamp='1261085044' post='314249']
This a complete no brainer. [b]Why would anyone give up a Ray Rice for an undersized receiver/kick returner?[/b] Ray has proven he has game changing abilities whether running or receiving. And he is a Team player to boot.

Ozzie will find the receiver we need and I guarantee he will be taller than 5' 10' !
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Do you realize that you just described Derrick Mason in his younger years?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 December 2009 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1261086225' post='314268']
Have you ever seen the Browns attempt to play football? Or even the Bengals most years? If we're going to use single games, we might as well examine Baltimore's pathetic "defense" in most of the Colts games.

Obviously, the East isn't perfect,[b] but they generally have very good defenses,[/b] [b]which is more than can be said about at least half of the teams in the AFC North.
[/b]
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Good defenses yes, and our division is comparable. But I'm also talking about hard hitters: This division has more of them.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='17 December 2009 - 01:20 AM' timestamp='1261030813' post='313946']
Ray Rice! He can change the game at any moment and come up with a monster play. In Baltimore Ravens franchise history, [b]I dont think we have ever had a player on offense that can affect a game like Ray Rice does.[/b]
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Jamal Lewis.

[MagicianCamille]

Difficult to say. RBs tend to burn out quicker than WRs, and Desean Jackson is definitely a phenomenal talent.

I'd have been happy either way.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

[quote name='bce086' date='17 December 2009 - 06:10 AM' timestamp='1261059031' post='314005']
Yes, because the only character issue he's shown me is being cocky which may translate into the mindset that he doesn't have to practice/train as hard as his teammates.

Kruger got stabbed at a party, do you think he will have legal problems? Sounds like your judging people so keep em coming...
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Well, I certainly didn't mean to judge him. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. Jackson has shown arrogance on the field, which is perfectly normal for a premier reciever. This, as you stated, does not necessarily translate into issues off the field.

I was approaching the post with a more whimsical attitude than you probably percieved. If I offended you, i'm sorry, and in the future I will try to be more careful to not be judgemental or make assumptions.

That being said, I'd still take rice becuase he's [b]beastin' both running and recieving![/b]

[cityboy02]

Why is anyone disputing this? Ray Rice done and done

[FerrariFan87]

Joe Flacco and Ray Rice going in the 1st and 2nd Rounds respectively could turn out to be the 2nd greatest draft in Ravens history, behind our Inaugural one.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='jt3751' date='17 December 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1261088149' post='314290']
Jamal Lewis.
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Not agreeing with ya there......Ray Rice can break a catch or run at any time for a TD. Dont get me wrong, JLews 2k season was nasty, but he wasnt a game changer like RR!

[Brad34]

ray rice 100%

[Ed_Reed20]

I'd take Rice any day of the week. He runs the ball well, catches it out the backfield and I'm sure he could make some plays if asked to return kicks or punts.

[neepo13]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 December 2009 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1261060947' post='314015']
Rice has the most catches, but Mason has more yards and more touchdowns. One could easily argue that Rice is one of best receivers because we don't have any prolific receivers.


Isn't it possible that we're a running team because we don't have many players to pass to? O.o

The top five passing teams have a combined record of 50-15 (.769) and four of the teams are at the top of their divisions. The top five rushing teams have a combined record of 38-27 (.584) and only one team is at the top of their division, but even that's deceptive because the Saints are a top team in both categories.

[b]I'd take a good receiver over a running back.[/b]
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The grass always looks greener on the other side. People want an explosive reciever because we dont currently have one.

I'd still take the RB.A good running game can travel and be effevtive in all weather. If Indy or New Orleans had to play a playoff game in the weather we are about to get, they'd have a very difficult time winning.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='neepo13' date='18 December 2009 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1261159596' post='314984']
[b]The grass always looks greener on the other side. People want an explosive reciever because we dont currently have one.[/b]

I'd still take the RB.A good running game can travel and be effevtive in all weather. If Indy or New Orleans had to play a playoff game in the weather we are about to get, they'd have a very difficult time winning.
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That is a good point, but I'm looking at a few other things. Good running backs are a dime a dozen: Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant, Rashard Mendenhall, (healthy) Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee. Ray is more than just "good," but we could probably get away with average or above average.

I'm also looking at our history. The Ravens haven't nearly as much trouble finding a receiver as they have had aquiring a good receiver. I think we'd be able to pick up a pretty good running back alot quicker than we'd find someone who compares Jackson.

New Orleans is one of the top five rushing teams, by the way. Unlike us, they and other teams were able to secure a playoff spot before the harsh weather even arrived.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='18 December 2009 - 02:05 PM' timestamp='1261163113' post='315075']
That is a good point, but I'm looking at a few other things.[b] Good running backs are a dime a dozen[/b]: Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant, Rashard Mendenhall, (healthy) Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee. Ray is more than just "good," but we could probably get away with average or above average.

I'm also looking at our history. The Ravens haven't nearly as much trouble finding a receiver as they have had aquiring a good receiver. I think we'd be able to pick up a pretty good running back alot quicker than we'd find someone who compares Jackson.

New Orleans is one of the top five rushing teams, by the way. Unlike us, they and other teams were able to secure a playoff spot before the harsh weather even arrived.
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I disagree. There are probably more teams than not who do not have a [u]solid #1[/u] at RB. No one thought the Giants had any WR's in September and then it turned out that they were deep with them. It's true that certain teams need one true #1 WR or maybe a 2 or a 3, but most teams have pretty decent WR corps. You guys have D-Mase and we are 3 deep with good WR's. Some teams have no-names (again Giants).

[Ravenskid2085]

I know I'm a little biased but I'll take Ray.

I'd rather have that workhorse back than a flashy wide receiver.
Plus Ray Rice is doing is on the ground AND through the air.
He Has 1,041 Yards Rushing and 652 Yards Receiving.
He has 7 Rushing TDs and 1 Receiving TD.

To Me, Ray is just a Workhorse/Playmaker/Versatile player, and I wouldnt trade him for DeSean Jackson.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 December 2009 - 04:07 PM' timestamp='1261170423' post='315227']
I disagree. There are probably more teams than not who do not have a [u]solid #1[/u] at RB. No one thought the Giants had any WR's in September and then it turned out that they were deep with them. It's true that certain teams need one true #1 WR or maybe a 2 or a 3, but most teams have pretty decent WR corps. You guys have D-Mase and we are 3 deep with good WR's. Some teams have no-names (again Giants).
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Lol, Derrick Mason is a corps? Army of one, huh?

Also: saying that the Browns and Bengals hit harder than the East teams is fairly subjective, imho.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='18 December 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1261171633' post='315246']
Lol, Derrick Mason is a corps? Army of one, huh?

Also: saying that the Browns and Bengals hit harder than the East teams is fairly subjective, imho.
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Well they are our Cowboys and Redskins. Although no one on the Giants or the Eagles has claimed that title this year either.

And D-Mase is better than some WR corps. Go ahead, argue that! lol

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 December 2009 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1261172376' post='315258']
Well they are our Cowboys and Redskins. Although no one on the Giants or the Eagles has claimed that title this year either.
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I'm taking London Fletcher and Demarcus Ware over the Frowns...

Child please. Don't start talking about the Giants and Eagles this year when the AFC North's "dominant defenses" are getting beaten by the Kansas Chiefs and are composed of guys like Chris Carr.
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And D-Mase is better than some WR corps. Go ahead, argue that! lol
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Well... maybe the Rams, but do they actually count as professional football teams?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='18 December 2009 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1261173613' post='315284']
I'm taking London Fletcher and Demarcus Ware over the Frowns...

[b]Child please. Don't start talking about the Giants and Eagles this year when the AFC North's "dominant defenses" are getting beaten by the Kansas Chiefs and are composed of guys like Chris Carr. [/b]

Well... maybe the Rams, but do they actually count as professional football teams?
[/quote]

No, I will talk about the Giants and Eagles. Neither of them have anything resembling a defense this year.

Why do you ALWAYS have to debate EVERYTHING with EVERYBODY?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 December 2009 - 05:54 PM' timestamp='1261176889' post='315398']
No, I will talk about the Giants and Eagles. Neither of them have anything resembling a defense this year.

Why do you ALWAYS have to debate EVERYTHING with EVERYBODY?
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You started it.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='18 December 2009 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1261177347' post='315411']
You started it.
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Did not.

[neepo13]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 December 2009 - 05:54 PM' timestamp='1261176889' post='315398']
No, I will talk about the Giants and Eagles. Neither of them have anything resembling a defense this year.

Why do you ALWAYS have to debate EVERYTHING with EVERYBODY?
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Its a female thing, Wardy. You wouldnt understand.