Afc Pro Bowl Leaders

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d81448298&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Does anyone else find it absurd that Cedric Benson leads all AFC RBs, including Chris Johnson? And although they're different positions, Troy Polamalu has more votes than Ed Reed in 5 games played? In fact, he's 7th in the AFC in amount of votes. Not sure if anyone else agrees, but that's downright ridiculous. With only 1 week left, most of these are probably final. Shame...

[Purple-Haze]

Yea that is pretty ridiculous to say the least. I mean hes good but comon you cant be serious...5 games...

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

Injured players should not be on the ballot. Is/will Polamalu return this season?

[1/28/01]

Holy *&%&*@&%$&*)@(*^@$( Vikings!!!!

[J-man]

McClain is on there, nice..

[dethdude420]

is there a complete list anywhere, or are we all gonna have to wait till the 29th?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Adam Vinatieri also has 5 games played and he's on his way to making the Pro Bowl with an accuracy 75%.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' date='15 December 2009 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1260916220' post='312976']
Injured players should not be on the ballot. Is/will Polamalu return this season?
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According to multiple sources, Polamalu has said that he hopes to return for one more game. However, he mentioned earlier (about a week or two ago) that he may not return for the remained of the year.
I believe that he had battled with a knee injury in a previous year, missed several games, and was still voted into the pro-bowl.

Players who are injured reserve are not on the ballot, but he is an active player. There is a reason that the pro-bowl is not the most highly regarded award. The fan vote is little more than a popularity contest. News flash: the Steelers are more popular than the Ravens.

This may only be the fan section of the votes.

[Corvus]

keep in mind these are the "fan" votes. The coach and player votes usually wind up evening out the absurdities. If Benson hadn't missed 2 games I would have voted for him too. As it is, Chris Johnson and our own Ray Rice have been by far the most productive AFC runners.

[FerrariFan87]

Ray Rice better go, or the Pro Bowl will further invalidate itself...

[JohnnyBoy8102]

Troy won't make it. The other 2/3 vote from the coaches and players will make sure of that.

Last season Tedy Bruschi was 2nd in ILB fan voting in the AFC and didn't make the pro bowl. This stuff happens all the time.

[Child Of Humanity]

I don't really find it absurd. First of all this is a popularity contest based on fan votes. Secondly he has 8 games rushing over 100 yards this season against some of the leagues toughest defenses. This includes the Ravens. Not once but twice. Also includes Pittsburgh and Minnesota. He has a 1,000 on the season and is definitely worth a look. I can not speak to Johnson as I don't know his numbers that well.

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='15 December 2009 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1260914343' post='312955']
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d81448298&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Does anyone else find it absurd that Cedric Benson leads all AFC RBs, including Chris Johnson? And although they're different positions, Troy Polamalu has more votes than Ed Reed in 5 games played? In fact, he's 7th in the AFC in amount of votes. Not sure if anyone else agrees, but that's downright ridiculous. With only 1 week left, most of these are probably final. Shame...
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[scotchtape622]

[quote name='Child Of Humanity' date='15 December 2009 - 06:41 PM' timestamp='1260927690' post='313094']
I don't really find it absurd. First of all this is a popularity contest based on fan votes. Secondly he has 8 games rushing over 100 yards this season against some of the leagues toughest defenses. This includes the Ravens. Not once but twice. Also includes Pittsburgh and Minnesota. He has a 1,000 on the season and is definitely worth a look. I can not speak to Johnson as I don't know his numbers that well.
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It is absurd because Johnson is so far ahead of Benson it is ridiculous.

[Ravens_Fan13]

Its a popularity contest it dosent matter who is the better player.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Child Of Humanity' date='15 December 2009 - 08:41 PM' timestamp='1260927690' post='313094']
I don't really find it absurd. First of all this is a popularity contest based on fan votes. Secondly he has 8 games rushing over 100 yards this season against some of the leagues toughest defenses. This includes the Ravens. Not once but twice. Also includes Pittsburgh and Minnesota. He has a 1,000 on the season and is definitely worth a look. I can not speak to Johnson as I don't know his numbers that well.
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First off, he only has 5 games of 100 Yards Rushing. Secondly, he's still spotting an unimpressive 4.1 YPC and a pedestrian 85 Receiving Yards. One of those 100 Yards games was against Detroit, where he averaged 3.1 YPC on 36 carries and 3.4 on 34 carries against Baltimore. In fact, Benson is still 5th in the NFL in amount of carriers after missing several games. We gave McClain the ball and he gave us nearly 4 yards every play. His numbers arent exactly jumping out at me, especially with all of your weapons in the Passing Game.

[Child Of Humanity]

I stand corrected on the number of 100 yards rushing games for Benson. It was indeed only 5. I was confussed and counted in Scott's and LJ's games. My bad. But still Benson is an impressive running back and you must admit he can line up in an obvious running formation and the defense is dared to stop him and more often than not they can not. 4.1 a carry is unimpressive to you? Lets see. 4 downs and the first 3 at 4.1 yards a carry that is over 12 yards. Hmmmmmm sounds like first down to me. I will take that kind of production any day. Especially from a guy the bears threw away and spent the first half of last season watching games from his sofa.

As for our passing game, well lets just say I am very unimpressed. The offense (aside from the running game) is enemic at best. So when you play a team like the vikings who can score in three plays on you then you have to do more than pound the rock. Carson has lost some of his touch. He blames the recievers but in fact if you watch his throws they are wounded ducks. I think he is injury shy now. But that is just a guess.

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='15 December 2009 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1260932319' post='313137']
First off, he only has 5 games of 100 Yards Rushing. Secondly, he's still spotting an unimpressive 4.1 YPC and a pedestrian 85 Receiving Yards. One of those 100 Yards games was against Detroit, where he averaged 3.1 YPC on 36 carries and 3.4 on 34 carries against Baltimore. In fact, Benson is still 5th in the NFL in amount of carriers after missing several games. We gave McClain the ball and he gave us nearly 4 yards every play. His numbers arent exactly jumping out at me, especially with all of your weapons in the Passing Game.
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[edreedfromtheu]

I hate to be the bearer of truth... but Ed Reed hasn't exactly done anything pro-bowl worthy this year either. He's missed some games as well.

I don't think either Ed or Troy should be in the probowl this year.

[hammer]

Ok fans, lets say this once and for all about fan voting in the all star games.

[b]"If you can't stand the smell....then get out of the out-house!"[/b][size="3"][/size]

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Shows the comical nature of these festival games.

Apparently Yao Ming is leading votes for the NBA All Star game, despite not having played a game and being out for the season.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

The 2/3 vote from the players and coaches usually cleans all this up.

[TSizzle00]

Benson has 25 more yards then Ray Rice and 40+ more carries.

Rice>Benson

[Shawn`]

Wow!

11 Viking players, that's crazy. It might as well be AFC vs Minnesota.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='16 December 2009 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1260947282' post='313329']
Benson has 25 more yards then Ray Rice and 40+ more carries.

Rice>Benson
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You aren't even going into total yards, receptions, etc.

Rice > Benson in every way.

[McBoller]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' date='16 December 2009 - 02:02 AM' timestamp='1260946947' post='313327']
The 2/3 vote from the players and coaches usually cleans all this up.
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Im pretty sure the leading fan vote-getters are the starters. The players and coaches determine the 2nd and 3rd string. Also, if there's an injury that precludes involvement a replacement must be set. I remember back in the 06 season Phillip Rivers was injured. McNair was next in line but he stepped aside and let VY go, who was next after him.
I dont see troy or Ed playing even if they are voted in if they're still deaeling with injuries. The vinatieri thing is a joke. Id have to vote for kaeding.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Shawn`' date='16 December 2009 - 04:17 AM' timestamp='1260955034' post='313334']
Wow!

11 Viking players, that's crazy. It might as well be AFC vs Minnesota.
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get out and vote. Make it Minnesota vs Baltimore

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='McBoller' date='16 December 2009 - 09:12 AM' timestamp='1260972772' post='313363']
Im pretty sure the leading fan vote-getters are the starters. The players and coaches determine the 2nd and 3rd string. Also, if there's an injury that precludes involvement a replacement must be set. I remember back in the 06 season Phillip Rivers was injured. McNair was next in line but he stepped aside and let VY go, who was next after him.
I dont see troy or Ed playing even if they are voted in if they're still deaeling with injuries. The vinatieri thing is a joke. Id have to vote for kaeding.
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That is in the NBA were the pure fan vote decides the starters. The pro bowl selections are chosen from the 1/3 vote of each the fans, players, and coaches. Then the starter is determined from those players selected based on the cumulative vote. The coach and player voting is obviously weighted differently to equal the same 1/3 a piece as the fan vote because there are much fewer coaches/players voting (and only voting once) than the millions of fans voting multiple times.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

For example, even if Troy wins the fan vote he WILL NOT be selected because the 2/3 coach and player vote will outweigh the 1/3 fan vote. The coaches/players will not vote for someone you has played so little.


This "popularity contest" excuse is something disgruntled fans of players who don't make the game always use. Normally there are only 1-2 guys tops who get in who shouldn't but 95% of the selections are worthy in my mind.

Now, if the fan vote alone determined the pro bowl roster we would be in trouble because it would be awful.

[McBoller]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' date='16 December 2009 - 12:20 PM' timestamp='1260984015' post='313432']
That is in the NBA were the pure fan vote decides the starters. The pro bowl selections are chosen from the 1/3 vote of each the fans, players, and coaches. Then the starter is determined from those players selected based on the cumulative vote. The coach and player voting is obviously weighted differently to equal the same 1/3 a piece as the fan vote because there are much fewer coaches/players voting (and only voting once) than the millions of fans voting multiple times.
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Thats crazy that a player could lead their position by a large margin and then not even make it b/c of the coach/player vote

[Ed_Reed20]

I can't believe Rice isn't getting many votes amongst the fan.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='McBoller' date='16 December 2009 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1260984246' post='313435']
Thats crazy that a player could lead their position by a large margin and then not even make it b/c of the coach/player vote
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Agreed, but it also is a good way to ensure the Troy situation doesn't happen. The only 2 selections last season that I disagreed with were Favre and Derrick Brooks. But I am sure the coaches/players did it more as a last hurrah career achievement for both because they thought both would retire. But 2/50 selections being questionable is not bad at all.

It is really bad in the NBA were Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming are leading vote getters. Both haven't played all season and may be "all star starter selections"...that is ridiculous? Good thing the NFL starters are not based only on fan vote.