To Heck With Character......

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' date='09 December 2009 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1260395777' post='308384']
Umm, right, because Billick was such a great coach? No one in the locker room had an ounce of respect for him. The inmates ran the asylum when he was here. I never want that again. What I do want however is some of our fire and passion back.
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I think the fire did come from Billick abit, but also our D coordinators. Players take on the personality of their respective coaches. Billick never gave a damn about who he was yelling at on the field, combated with the media at times, screamed at refs all game long. Rex was a loud mouthed cocky SOB, but so was the rest of our defense from 05-08 and they could back it up. Marvin ran a defense that was just simply better than any offense, Marvin knew it, demanded guys to win 1 on 1 battles and to smother offenses and not let them breathe, Marvin was hard nosed but a lunch pail guy. Rex was the loud, flashy cocky guy. Mattison doesnt have much of a personality it seems, nor does our defense. Cam is a calm person as well which is what fits Flacco. It just seems like some guys have lost the crazy edge you need to play football at a high level.

Edit- I got it, Ray needs to do the what time is it chant again,,,there done and fixed we are all set again lol.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1260395836' post='308385']
Yea ill take that to hell right now id take anything back that we use to have.
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Billick won one SB with THE best D in the history of the game. He should have won at least 2 or 3.

The offense under the "offensive genius" HC was, well, you can fill in the blank.

Billick angered the NFL front office so much that we probably still live with that legacy.

The Team finally just melted because he did not command the respect of a HC.


Biscotti is trying to build a Team that will be a Championship caliber Team year after year. He seems to have a pretty good business mind and I trust his plans have a pretty good chance to succeed.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1260393573' post='308310']
Dude my rant is not all over the place i agree and have agree'd alot of times im not really worried about talent we have alot of it getting ready to get there chances and developing into studs i do beleive we have alot of talent but if your not using it because you have them in the so called "Dog House" is just plaint out rediculous and im not saying i want to draft a bunch of convicts like the bengals at all simply stating give a huge player a shot dont write them off because they have had a few fallouts with team and management.......
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aaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!! Periods are your friend. Getting some tylenol now.

[Ravens_Fan13]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='09 December 2009 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1260410133' post='308574']
aaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!! Periods are your friend. Getting some tylenol now.
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Buzz off

[Ravens_Fan13]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='09 December 2009 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1260398453' post='308439']
There you go again!! What personal grudge does Harbaugh have? Give me one example!

And who exactly are Williams and Barnes better than? Williams definitely isn't better than either Mason or Washington and the only reason you think he's better than Clayton is because Clayton hasn't produced.



What does that have to do with anything at all? Brady was back-up QB who got a chance to play because Bledsoe, the franchise quaterback, got hurt.
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hahahaha OK? if he hasent produced then bench him and play the better man? that actually made me laugh a little bit

[ray-ray is a beast-beast]

Yes, to heck with this obsession with "character" and to heck with Harbaugh's idiotic ideology!

Harbaugh doesn't even know what it means to truly "play like a Raven"!

To play like a Raven you have to [b]STEAL[/b] the ball, you have to [b]BEAT PEOPLE SENSELESS[/b], you have to [b]INTIMIDATE[/b] and [b]FRIGHTEN[/b], you have to [b]TRAMPLE[/b] defenders and [b]BRUTALIZE[/b] quarterbacks, you have to play [b]MEAN-SPIRITED, NOSE-TO-THE-GRINDSTONE, CAVEMAN FOOTBALL[/b]all day every day!

that's what playing like a Raven means, well, until now i guess.

all this garbage about integrity and character ad nauseum, what a joke!! Take that Dr. Phil nonsense to a prissy team like the Cowboys and leave us our hard-nosed football, please!

[ravensfolife]

When I first heard play like a raven I thought it meant hard-nosed us against the world defense. What we got was the pg version of our team, and it sucks. Sorry franchise, but The Ravens didnt embarrass me against the Pats. That was the best game I ever saw them play and I dont think we will ever get that kind of intensity again, Thanks to our great coach.

[Ravens_Fan13]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='09 December 2009 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1260411073' post='308582']
Yes, to heck with this obsession with "character" and to heck with Harbaugh's idiotic ideology!

Harbaugh doesn't even know what it means to truly "play like a Raven"!

To play like a Raven you have to [b]STEAL[/b] the ball, you have to [b]BEAT PEOPLE SENSELESS[/b], you have to [b]INTIMIDATE[/b] and [b]FRIGHTEN[/b], you have to [b]TRAMPLE[/b] defenders and [b]BRUTALIZE[/b] quarterbacks, you have to play [b]MEAN-SPIRITED, NOSE-TO-THE-GRINDSTONE, CAVEMAN FOOTBALL[/b]all day every day!

that's what playing like a Raven means, well, until now i guess.

all this garbage about integrity and character ad nauseum, what a joke!! Take that Dr. Phil nonsense to a prissy team like the Cowboys and leave us our hard-nosed football, please!
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Plus one for you man im glad there are others like me that know what it means to actually play like a Raven!!

[Ravens_Fan13]

[quote name='ravensfolife' date='09 December 2009 - 10:14 PM' timestamp='1260411271' post='308584']
When I first heard play like a raven I thought it meant hard-nosed us against the world defense. What we got was the pg version of our team, and it sucks. Sorry franchise, but The Ravens didnt embarrass me against the Pats. That was the best game I ever saw them play and I dont think we will ever get that kind of intensity again, Thanks to our great coach.
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Thank you and a plus for you aswell

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 09:15 PM' timestamp='1260411336' post='308587']
Thank you and a plus for you aswell
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Been saying the same thing all season, and every one in hear treated me like a **** lol. Because he was kinda the coach last year and we went to the afc title game, sum assume he's a good coach.

[bossman419]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='09 December 2009 - 09:11 PM' timestamp='1260411073' post='308582']
Yes, to heck with this obsession with "character" and to heck with Harbaugh's idiotic ideology!

Harbaugh doesn't even know what it means to truly "play like a Raven"!

To play like a Raven you have to [b]STEAL[/b] the ball, you have to [b]BEAT PEOPLE SENSELESS[/b], you have to [b]INTIMIDATE[/b] and [b]FRIGHTEN[/b], you have to [b]TRAMPLE[/b] defenders and [b]BRUTALIZE[/b] quarterbacks, you have to play [b]MEAN-SPIRITED, NOSE-TO-THE-GRINDSTONE, CAVEMAN FOOTBALL[/b]all day every day!

that's what playing like a Raven means, well, until now i guess.

all this garbage about integrity and character ad nauseum, what a joke!! Take that Dr. Phil nonsense to a prissy team like the Cowboys and leave us our hard-nosed football, please!
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Yeah Harbs and Co. should be ashamed of themselves after last weeks game. The team showed no emotion, no intensity, and no purpose. The way the O sluggishly set at the line of scrimmage just screamed "we don't care anymore." For a "Smashmouth" football team, the O-line didn't really play the part.

It just seems like this team is lacking something. They look completely different than last year. What promise this season had...

It's kinda sad when you are looking forward to spring training in December... Go O's!

[Ravens549]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='09 December 2009 - 04:06 PM' timestamp='1260392763' post='308294']
Of course I'm not happy with where the team is at now, but at the same time, to still be in the playoff hunt heading into Week 14 is something that we haven't always seen from this team. I'd rather have this kind of season if we're to struggle than a season like 2007 or 2005. At least we've been our own worst enemy, rather than the other team simply beating us; being our own worst enemy means that things can be fixed -- being beaten soundly means we're just plain bad.

What I'm saying is, the reason why everyone is impatient is because last season, the team came so close to finishing with a Super Bowl. That's gotten everyone spoiled. There's always a growing pain, and we were just fortunate as fans to have had such a great first season under Harbaugh. But now the growing pains begin, and will continue throughout the rest of the season. But they're called growing pains for a reason, and we'll see the fruits of them soon enough. In fact, we've already seen them with how we've been able to stay in the game in the 4th quarter in each loss.
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Very well said!

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1260397098' post='308418']
Yea i think we should be...we just arent backing it up this season
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What do you mean by that?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='bossman419' date='09 December 2009 - 08:52 PM' timestamp='1260413562' post='308598']
Yeah Harbs and Co. should be ashamed of themselves after last weeks game. The team showed no emotion, no intensity, and no purpose. The way the O sluggishly set at the line of scrimmage just screamed "we don't care anymore." For a "Smashmouth" football team, the O-line didn't really play the part.

It just seems like this team is lacking something. They look completely different than last year. What promise this season had...

It's kinda sad when you are looking forward to spring training in December... Go O's!
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If your looking forward to the O's ST then we have serious problems lol.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1260396960' post='308414']
I have read and also heard on espn that coach harbaugh has a so called Dog House when players go in they dont get back out you watch D-Will wont be back next year neither will barnes.
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Yeah, talk about wasted talent. McGahee is another example.

[Purple Punishment]

I guess nobody understood the Tom Brady > Drew Bledsoe comment...

Tom Brady was second string behind Drew Bledsoe and I know Brady looked better than Bledsoe on the field but did that necessarilly mean that he looked better than Drew in practice???

Wel all know that Brady is beyone what Bledsoe was, but Brady didn't get to start over Drew when he was healthy to begin the season

Thats all I am saying

[theFRANCHISE]

Instead of regurgitating all I've said before (because y'all don't wanna hear more of that anyway, lol), the best way I can put it is, if last year's results are replicated in any way, shape, or form at any point between now and the next two years, no one will complain. All will be forgiven, all will be forgotten.

Winning cures everything. People are just cranky because they're sick of the inconsistency. But, well, easy as it is to say that other teams have it worse, it's TRUE. I honestly believe that, had the season sweep by the Steelers not happened last season and had the AFC Title game not been lost to the Steelers and had they not become Super Bowl Champions, fans would have been more lenient in their expectations this season. But because those very same division rivals left a sour taste in everyone's mouth, we all entered this season with the idea that Pittsburgh stands in the way of our championship.

Only problem is, the Steelers themselves aren't even looking like they're headed to the big dance.

So because they're not as big of an obstacle, the expectations automatically shifted to Super Bowl-or-bust sentiments. And frankly, that's a bit unrealistic, even with the talent on this team. Like I said before, growing pains were bound to happen, and here we are now. You take the good with the bad, and last season's success spoiled a lot of us (myself included.)

[Purple Punishment]

even though I didnt agree with you earlier. I can certainly agree with that Franchise +1

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='10 December 2009 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1260421345' post='308679']
even though I didnt agree with you earlier. I can certainly agree with that Franchise +1
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Again, the fickle nature of fanhood.

But in all seriousness, everyone knows that winning cures everything. Harbaugh could literally change nothing of what he's doing right now, but so long as he racks up wins, no one cares. Heck, people will jump back on that Character bandwagon once they see that it produces results. But because the team is in dire straits now, the assumption is that the diametric opposite of that philosophy will prove to be fruitful -- which isn't exactly the case.

Fans lack patience. We all do. And though patience sounds like a mere excuse for coping with the team's deficiencies, it's been a time-tested virtue.

[Purple Punishment]

I just feel most fans aren't ready for the complete overhaul and rebuild that lies ahead. Harbaugh says he will build a Championship offense....building takes more than a season. However to build that offense you have to try all of your weapons to see which is the most effective

We will have our Dynasty in 3 years time. Just have to take the bumps on the road until we get everything in place to make a legit run for the Lombardi

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1260410792' post='308578']
Buzz off. (period)
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[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 01:47 PM' timestamp='1260391651' post='308276']
Im so sick of hearing about stand up guys and playing like ravens..... No point in this year have we played like a raven the ravens i use to know were hard hitting smash mouth and didnt give a crap what anyone thought of them and thats the same mentality the coach had. As far a i can remember we have been the out casts the bad boys of the nfl....does anyone else miss that as much as i do?
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so you want us to play like the '07 ravens?

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='09 December 2009 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1260411073' post='308582']
[b]BRUTALIZE[/b] quarterbacks[/quote]
you get a flag for that now

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='09 December 2009 - 09:09 PM' timestamp='1260410976' post='308580']
hahahaha OK? if he hasent produced then bench him and play the better man? that actually made me laugh a little bit
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How do you Williams is the better player?


[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='09 December 2009 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1260418692' post='308663']
I guess nobody understood the Tom Brady > Drew Bledsoe comment...

Tom Brady was second string behind Drew Bledsoe and I know Brady looked better than Bledsoe on the field but did that necessarilly mean that he looked better than Drew in practice???

Wel all know that Brady is beyone what Bledsoe was, but Brady didn't get to start over Drew when he was healthy to begin the season

Thats all I am saying
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What are you talking about? You compared a back-up QB's miraculous run to a Super Bowl title after taking over for the injured starter to a coach's decision not to play one receiver despite the lack of production from the starter. Those are two completely different situations!

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' date='09 December 2009 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1260395777' post='308384']
Umm, right, because Billick was such a great coach? No one in the locker room had an ounce of respect for him. The inmates ran the asylum when he was here. I never want that again. What I do want however is some of our fire and passion back.
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Well when the Inmates are Ogden, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Chris McAlister and Jamal Lewis, i dont mind them running the show at all lol.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='10 December 2009 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1260472236' post='308896']
Well when the Inmates are Ogden, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Chris McAlister and Jamal Lewis, i dont mind them running the show at all lol.
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While those guys were/are great players, you never want to have players running a team.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='10 December 2009 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1260472402' post='308898']
While those guys were/are great players, you never want to players running a team.
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Really? well a shiny silver Lombardi sitting in the reception area of the castle is saying otherwise.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='10 December 2009 - 11:16 AM' timestamp='1260461811' post='308802']
What are you talking about? You compared a back-up QB's miraculous run to a Super Bowl title after taking over for the injured starter to a coach's decision not to play one receiver despite the lack of production from the starter. Those are two completely different situations!
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I am talking about how D Will might not look better than others in Practice but if you put him on the field in the real thing, he can show up and make things happen. The argument is against somebody saying that D Will was being outperformed in practice so hes sitting.

Well Im saying if Brady looked so good when he hit the field in the abscence of Bledsoe and looked better than Bledsoe why didn't he start over Drew Bledsoe to begin with?

People may look better than others in Practice.....but practice doesnt always translate on the field!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='10 December 2009 - 02:15 PM' timestamp='1260472500' post='308899']
Really? well a shiny silver Lombardi sitting in the reception area of the castle is saying otherwise.
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Do you honestly think all the players you named coached themselves to a Super Bowl title? Jamal Lewis was a rookie, McAlister was in his second year and Ray and JO were both in their fifth seasons. That doesn't sound like a situation where the inmates are running the asylum.

And Ed Reed wasn't on the Super Bowl team.

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='10 December 2009 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1260473166' post='308904']
I am talking about how D Will might not look better than others in Practice but if you put him on the field in the real thing, he can show up and make things happen. The argument is against somebody saying that D Will was being outperformed in practice so hes sitting.

Well Im saying if Brady looked so good when he hit the field in the abscence of Bledsoe and looked better than Bledsoe why didn't he start over Drew Bledsoe to begin with?

People may look better than others in Practice.....but practice doesnt always translate on the field!
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I agree with you that Williams should be getting an opportunity but on the flip-side, I can understand the coaches not playing him when he doesn't practice well. That's the way it's always been in the league and I doubt it'll change.

And Brady didn't start over Drew Bledsore because Bledose was the FRANCHISE QUATERBACK! That's like saying the Eagles should have start Kevin Kolb over McNabb.

Practice doesn't always translate to the field but how much you see the field is dependent on how you practice. That's common in every sport. Every time teammates talk about Michael Irvin, they bring up his incredible work ethic and how hard he practiced.

[Ravens_Fan13]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='10 December 2009 - 12:16 PM' timestamp='1260461811' post='308802']
How do you Williams is the better player?




What are you talking about? You compared a back-up QB's miraculous run to a Super Bowl title after taking over for the injured starter to a coach's decision not to play one receiver despite the lack of production from the starter. Those are two completely different situations!
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How do i know Williams is a better player? It showed on the field thats how!!