Ravens 3-4 Vs 4-3

[Militant X 1]

the Packers made that 3-4 look beastly last night with tremendous pressure on our QB down after down. should the Ravens leave that 4-3 alone?

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='Militant X 1' date='08 December 2009 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1260303559' post='307204']
the Packers made that 3-4 look beastly last night with tremendous pressure on our QB down after down. should the Ravens leave that 4-3 alone?
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Plain and simple, yes!

The reason Mattison gives us for switching is because it allows more talent to be on the field. Personally I dont care how much "talent" is on the field, having four lineman makes us a slower defensive team. A 3-4 allows more speed and more schemes. More speed will give us better coverage on the pass and more schemes will give us better pass rush.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Not just is the 3-4 more speed in the back of the line, but the confusion it brings is ridiculous. You never know who is dropping back into coverage or blitzing. Whats the use of our 4-3 if only our DE's get a sack, and every other game.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Militant X 1' date='08 December 2009 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1260303559' post='307204']
the Packers made that 3-4 look beastly last night with tremendous pressure on our QB down after down. should the Ravens leave that 4-3 alone?
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You do have to consider the competition. When the Browns played us, they're defense looked beastly too; in fact, they held our offense to fewer points than Green Bay did. Do the Browns have a good defense or does Baltimore's offense make everyone look good?

That said, I hate what Mattison's done with our defense. I just hope a couple of our veterans don't get too fed up with it or else they might decide to hang up their cleats.

[TSizzle00]

Im tired of watching the Ravens poorly run the 4-3 week in and week out. Just switch back to the 3-4 and let Suggs and Johnson rush the passer that way.

[ravensfolife]

Ive said 3-4 forever.... Has anyone ever noticed how much more we get held compared to the 3-4 years? Not only that but its so congested in the middle it rarely gets caught

[Militant X 1]

i agree with all of you guys!

i have always loved our Ravens in that 3-4 Defense. they have the personel to run it and when they did.....they were pure beasts with it....bottomline! i feel we need to go back to it cause right now...in this 4-3....QBs can see the blitz coming whereas in the 3-4...they don't know where or who it is coming from.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

MilitantX1 I'm with you(and everyone else)on this one.You made an excellant point,I forgot how the old 3-4 was full of movement,players running up,backing out,offenses left to wonder who was coming,from where,or if at all.Well put everyone!

[Purple Punishment]

My question is why did Mattison even come in and make these changes when we had a stellar defensive scheme that he could have pretty much emulated

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='09 December 2009 - 06:54 AM' timestamp='1260359650' post='307919']
My question is why did Mattison even come in and make these changes when we had a stellar defensive scheme that he could have pretty much emulated
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My guess is he didnt want anyone to think he was just using Rex Ryans defense and defensive schemes. So he switched up everything entirely and we have the crap that we do today.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='09 December 2009 - 06:54 AM' timestamp='1260359650' post='307919']
My question is why did Mattison even come in and make these changes when we had a stellar defensive scheme that he could have pretty much emulated
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Perhaps the 4-3 is all that he knows and he's stuck in his ways.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='09 December 2009 - 11:45 AM' timestamp='1260377145' post='308065']
Perhaps the 4-3 is all that he knows and he's stuck in his ways.
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TO THE GALLOWS....

there is some truth to that, I really wish we were back in the 3-4 but will admit that he has shown improvement since the start of the season

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='09 December 2009 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1260377458' post='308068']
TO THE GALLOWS....

there is some truth to that, I really wish we were back in the 3-4 but will admit that he has shown improvement since the start of the season
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Yeah, I have to agree with the fact that the defense has improved since the beginning of the year. I wanted Mattison gone so badly, but then we'd have to go through a new transition next year...

But seriously, when you're at the bottom, the only place to go is up. The Ravens defense was literally worse than Cleveland's in some statistics, and now we're back in the top ten where we belong.

[shraven]

Its not the 4 3 thats messing us up.Its the fact that we line up in the 4 3 the sameway everytime gaurds in the gap so they get doubled every time.We need to mix it up right gaurd head up left in the a gap then switch.After that we can go both gaurds head cross them and really get in there heads to figure which gap we are going to shoot.

[XxSizzleXx]

I think a big part of the reason we are not using it lately is because Suggs has been hurt. If and when he comes back you'll likely see the 3-4 again.

[Ravens_Fan13]

The reason why the front isnt getting penatration is because they have walkers... except for ngata who is just a monster

[Raven-In-ATL]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='09 December 2009 - 04:50 PM' timestamp='1260395408' post='308362']
I think a big part of the reason we are not using it lately is because Suggs has been hurt. If and when he comes back you'll likely see the 3-4 again.
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I like Suggs as much as the next guy but isnt every player on the team an athlete? Any 2nd String LB should be able to run that defense same as Suggs with at least a mediocre degree of success. Why switch gameplans because youve lost one man?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='lgcs27288' date='09 December 2009 - 06:44 AM' timestamp='1260362675' post='307936']
My guess is he didnt want anyone to think he was just using Rex Ryans defense and defensive schemes. So he switched up everything entirely and we have the crap that we do today.
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No because if it was as simple as picking up a playbook then everybody in the league would run a Rex or Lebeau, or Dungy Cov 2 Buc defense. The fact of the matter is nobody can make the same calls in situations as the originator of a scheme. Only Rex knows what works in theory on 3rd and 7, only Lebeau knows what works in theory on 3rd and 5 with 3 WR, 1 TE set. And they constantly tinker with their scheme, to what they know would work and what needs fixing. Only those guys know the ins and outs of their schemes. If it was as easy as handing a guy the playbook and telling him to memorize it, then hell I could be the DC for the Ravens. Too bad its not, I liked that title for a second lol.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

Im definatly more for the 3-4, better things have happened when we have used it this year.
Not to beat a dead horse but its easier to disguise blitzes and players can stem easier without worrying about it throwing off the timing of thier blitz or messing up thier assignment.
Besides...Why not roll with what the vets are used to and have thrived in for a while now? It's not like our secondary could do much worse to be truthful.

Don't wanna double post but gotta give bltravens kudos for the above post, that is a very legit point.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='09 December 2009 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1260405648' post='308532']
No because if it was as simple as picking up a playbook then everybody in the league would run a Rex or Lebeau, or Dungy Cov 2 Buc defense. The fact of the matter is nobody can make the same calls in situations as the originator of a scheme. Only Rex knows what works in theory on 3rd and 7, only Lebeau knows what works in theory on 3rd and 5 with 3 WR, 1 TE set. And they constantly tinker with their scheme, to what they know would work and what needs fixing. Only those guys know the ins and outs of their schemes. If it was as easy as handing a guy the playbook and telling him to memorize it, then hell I could be the DC for the Ravens. Too bad its not, I liked that title for a second lol.
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this makes a lot of sense.

i would also like to add the fact that the defensive members (Lewis, Suggs, Ngata, and Reed etc.) also know the "ins" and "outs" of that 3-4 like the back of their hand. those cats could ensure that our newest Ravens got with the program. the 4-3 is way too predictable imo.

i hate watching our guys line up in it. besides...in the 3-4...our guys were constantly "moving" and "shifting" all over the place. it gave opposing offenses fits! hence the nickname...."Organized Chaos!" what happened to that swagger?

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='09 December 2009 - 05:54 AM' timestamp='1260359650' post='307919']
My question is why did Mattison even come in and make these changes when we had a stellar defensive scheme that he could have pretty much emulated
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I guess he never heard the old saying"If it ain't broke,don't fix it."

[Raven-In-ATL]

[quote name='I-70WestRaven' date='10 December 2009 - 02:36 AM' timestamp='1260430619' post='308724']
I guess he never heard the old saying"If it ain't broke,don't fix it."
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Or perhaps he didnt want Rex to know all of our tricks because he designed the whole thing. Not saying were doing anything particularly tricky now except for possibly lulling the NFL in to a false sense of security. LOL.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Militant X 1' date='10 December 2009 - 12:21 AM' timestamp='1260426067' post='308711']
this makes a lot of sense.

i would also like to add the fact that the defensive members (Lewis, Suggs, Ngata, and Reed etc.) also know the "ins" and "outs" of that 3-4 like the back of their hand. those cats could ensure that our newest Ravens got with the program. the 4-3 is way too predictable imo.

i hate watching our guys line up in it. besides...in the 3-4...our guys were constantly "moving" and "shifting" all over the place. it gave opposing offenses fits! hence the nickname...."Organized Chaos!" what happened to that swagger?
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That was only i Rex's system, in Nolans system we were a stationary 3-4. Organized chaos worked twice out of 4 years guys, 06 and 08. Those players know how to play in a 3-4 but they dont know the ins and outs of a particular system.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Raven-In-ATL' date='09 December 2009 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1260396751' post='308409']
I like Suggs as much as the next guy but isnt every player on the team an athlete? Any 2nd String LB should be able to run that defense same as Suggs with at least a mediocre degree of success. Why switch gameplans because youve lost one man?
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The coaches gameplan accordingly and no not every player can play in a certain style of defense as good as the next guy. With Suggs out our linebacking core isn't that great besides Lewis, they probably thought we had a better chance to win with the 4-3 because of our weakened linebacker depth.