Pass Rushing Olbs

[Bltravens]

Now the last two weeks we've seen Woodley, Harrison, Matthews, they beat 1 on 1 assignments. The last sack by Matthews was caused by inside pressure, something else we dont get from Ngata, Gregg, or Pryce half the time hell I saw Raji and Johnathon Jolly of all people collapse the pocket better than our Dline has all season . Flacco simply has zero time to get the ball out on 4 man rushes. Im tired of watching our brutal OLB pass rush get completely wiped out at the point of attack and Mattison being forced to send everybody for pressure. Even with Suggs we cant get any damn pressure. Its week 13 and im 100% that its not Mattison, its not the secondary, its not Foxworth, it is Landry at times though, but really Mattison can call a defense. Our lack of ANY penetration is disgusting, absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable. Rex must have known this when Boulware retired and designed this scheme to generate pressure through confusion, because our guys dont win 1 on 1 battles, at all which is what football is. Really our 2nd and 3rd round picks better be on guys who are pure pass rushers for 3rd down situations.

[reediddy]

i could not agree with u more. at times i saw the ravens bring 7!!!! and get stalled at the GB oline, not a very good pass protecting o line. yet GBs pass rush only sent 4 and make flacco run around with his head cut off

[SAbramson]

[quote name='kidrock' date='08 December 2009 - 12:25 AM' timestamp='1260249931' post='306330']
Completely agree. Suggs has been worthless this year to boot. We have no one who can beat one on one matchups (similar to our WR's). I cant believe that we rush 7 and get no pressure at all??????
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Its not even suggs!!!!!!!!!! its Greg Mattison!!! his calls Suck!!!!!!!!!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='SAbramson' date='07 December 2009 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1260250022' post='306339']
Its not even suggs!!!!!!!!!! its Greg Mattison!!! his calls Suck!!!!!!!!!
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No its actually not, ive been watching really closely since the bye week and alot of Mattisons calls are correct given the situation and the down. As much as I hated what he did weeks 1-4, hes actually not that bad at all despite what alot of people here are thinking. There was 2 plays tonight when we got beat on a pure coverage call, one was a cov 2 call that Rogers hit Driver on a post I think it was, and another was the TD pass to their TE in the 3rd quarter. Mattison I think should be kept next year, Ive been impressed with him since the by week. People need to realize that our quest for an offense to help our dominating defense the past 4 drafts, have left our defense talent depleted and when our young or up and coming players are 2 undrafted LBs, Ngata, and a 3rd round DB something is wrong.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='08 December 2009 - 12:07 AM' timestamp='1260248857' post='306217']
Now the last two weeks we've seen Woodley, Harrison, Matthews, they beat 1 on 1 assignments. The last sack by Matthews was caused by inside pressure, something else we dont get from Ngata, Gregg, or Pryce half the time hell I saw Raji and Johnathon Jolly of all people collapse the pocket better than our Dline has all season . Flacco simply has zero time to get the ball out on 4 man rushes. Im tired of watching our brutal OLB pass rush get completely wiped out at the point of attack and Mattison being forced to send everybody for pressure. Even with Suggs we cant get any damn pressure. Its week 13 and im 100% that its not Mattison, its not the secondary, its not Foxworth, it is Landry at times though, but really Mattison can call a defense. Our lack of ANY penetration is disgusting, absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable. Rex must have known this when Boulware retired and designed this scheme to generate pressure through confusion, because our guys dont win 1 on 1 battles, at all which is what football is. Really our 2nd and 3rd round picks better be on guys who are pure pass rushers for 3rd down situations.
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They need to get pressure but Foxworth def sucks. You dont see Webb getting beat over and over and over and over on the same slant every week. Ravens need to get some pressure. All they manage to do is push the Oline back. Rodgers didn't look worried all night about the pass rush.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='08 December 2009 - 12:31 AM' timestamp='1260250303' post='306360']
No its actually not, ive been watching really closely since the bye week and alot of Mattisons calls are correct given the situation and the down. As much as I hated what he did weeks 1-4, hes actually not that bad at all despite what alot of people here are thinking. There was 2 plays tonight when we got beat on a pure coverage call, one was a cov 2 call that Rogers hit Driver on a post I think it was, and another was the TD pass to their TE in the 3rd quarter. Mattison I think should be kept next year, Ive been impressed with him since the by week. People need to realize that our quest for an offense to help our dominating defense the past 4 drafts, have left our defense talent depleted and when our young or up and coming players are 2 undrafted LBs, Ngata, and a 3rd round DB something is wrong.
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YOu forgot about Zibby and Nakamura.

[RoflDogs]

At least Barnes showed a decent bull rush today, but he got held (which was not called)

[BloodRaven]

Barnes does nothing for us, he's just a body. Kruger at least can get off blocks and make plays on the ball and with pressure.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='08 December 2009 - 12:31 AM' timestamp='1260250303' post='306360']
No its actually not, ive been watching really closely since the bye week and alot of Mattisons calls are correct given the situation and the down. As much as I hated what he did weeks 1-4, hes actually not that bad at all despite what alot of people here are thinking. There was 2 plays tonight when we got beat on a pure coverage call, one was a cov 2 call that Rogers hit Driver on a post I think it was, and another was the TD pass to their TE in the 3rd quarter. Mattison I think should be kept next year, Ive been impressed with him since the by week. People need to realize that our quest for an offense to help our dominating defense the past 4 drafts, have left our defense talent depleted and when our young or up and coming players are 2 undrafted LBs, Ngata, and a 3rd round DB something is wrong.
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I'm glad to see someone is examining this. I'm still learning, but it's frustrating watching our pass rush
(or lack of it). I think something needs to change with the front 4.

[BloodRaven]

We might as well relax the gap assignments on passing downs since we don't know how to contain the QB anyway, just slot in our 4 best rushers and have them hit single gaps, maybe we'll get the pressure we obviously don't with our heavy blitz packages.

Theres a saying "If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what youre getting."

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='RoflDogs' date='08 December 2009 - 01:25 AM' timestamp='1260253525' post='306510']
At least Barnes showed a decent bull rush today, but he got held (which was not called)
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Did you notice that that appears to be the only pass rush move any of our defenders know how to do? Anyone on the Raven defense know of the swim move or the spin move or the speed rush? C'mon guys mix it up!!

But what really ticks me off is we are telegraphing our blitzes 3 or 4 seconds before the snap. Has anyone heard of delayed blitzes? Or heck just stay in your position and blitz when the ball is snapped. Sure it will take maybe a second longer to get to the QB but if you go unblocked it doesn't matter. Quit being so obvious!! Surprise is key especially for CB blitzes.

[Gtown Purple]

I saw at least a handful of cases where Rodgers hard counted and made or linebackers or defensive backs flinch. At that point he knows who is coming.



[quote name='ravensfan160' date='08 December 2009 - 08:31 AM' timestamp='1260279074' post='306679']
Did you notice that that appears to be the only pass rush move any of our defenders know how to do? Anyone on the Raven defense know of the swim move or the spin move or the speed rush? C'mon guys mix it up!!

But what really ticks me off is we are telegraphing our blitzes 3 or 4 seconds before the snap. Has anyone heard of delayed blitzes? Or heck just stay in your position and blitz when the ball is snapped. Sure it will take maybe a second longer to get to the QB but if you go unblocked it doesn't matter. Quit being so obvious!! Surprise is key especially for CB blitzes.
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[bce086]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='08 December 2009 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1260258014' post='306573']
Barnes does nothing for us, he's just a body. Kruger at least can get off blocks and make plays on the ball and with pressure.
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Despite Barnes getting held horribly twice (both called penalties), he STILL almost got to Rodgers on a 1 on 1 matchup. I'm not sure what you were watching, but he was getting off blocks DAMN quick.

Not to mention the kid barely gets any reps. I was ecstatic to see him out there last night.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='08 December 2009 - 12:23 AM' timestamp='1260253391' post='306506']
YOu forgot about Zibby and Nakamura.
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Two special teams guys, they are good ST'ers of course but Ill be hard pressed to convince they'll make an impact on defense, unless we plan on converting to the Tampa 2 and just sit those two guys back there Im not so sure at all that they can be playmakers.

[McBoller]

[quote name='reediddy' date='08 December 2009 - 12:14 AM' timestamp='1260249253' post='306261']
i could not agree with u more. at times i saw the ravens bring 7!!!! and get stalled at the GB oline, not a very good pass protecting o line. yet GBs pass rush only sent 4 and make flacco run around with his head cut off
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It was sad. The more guys we brought, it seemed like the less pressure we got. like we were running into each other. If the old defense was a Mercedes, we're looking like a yugo with no oil right now.

[McBoller]

[quote name='bce086' date='08 December 2009 - 10:15 AM' timestamp='1260285314' post='306786']
Despite Barnes getting held horribly twice (both called penalties), he STILL almost got to Rodgers on a 1 on 1 matchup. I'm not sure what you were watching, but he was getting off blocks DAMN quick.

Not to mention the kid barely gets any reps. I was ecstatic to see him out there last night.
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he was great at pass rushing. We see whats working on both sides. Speed rush. Matthews and Hawk were just blowing by gaither and oher like they werent even there. Our big guys were not doing anything. Barnes was the saving grace for some of the game.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='McBoller' date='08 December 2009 - 10:14 AM' timestamp='1260288870' post='306869']
he was great at pass rushing. We see whats working on both sides. Speed rush. Matthews and Hawk were just blowing by gaither and oher like they werent even there. Our big guys were not doing anything. Barnes was the saving grace for some of the game.
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Its just a change of pace is what we need, everyone we have only bull rushes and NOBODY uses their hands like you see a Mario Williams, or Jared Allen. ALl our guys do is bull rush, and if you've ever seen the video on Harrison bull rushing the key to a bull rush is to go outside then cut in as the T is slide stepping so when you engage the T he actually only has 1 foot on the ground and his momentum is going opposite the way the bullrush so his body weight and natural strength mean nothing. You dont bull rush straight into a guys chest, really when was the last time you saw a guy just straight run into somebody and bowl them over.

[BloodRaven]

Its called gap assignments, we don't really rush single gaps even on passing downs. Its Rex Ryans mentality of creating pressure by attempting to bullrush, stack blocks and collapse the pocket while holding gap assignments as if was a run. The one time we did sack Rodgers was when Pryce came in at DT and split a double team.

Edit:Also I don't know why you think Barnes made a difference, its not like he had some sort of impact off the bench in this his 3rd season. For all his elite measurables and 3 seasons with the team he's shown nothing but how to stick to blockers.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SAbramson' date='08 December 2009 - 12:27 AM' timestamp='1260250022' post='306339']
Its not even suggs!!!!!!!!!! its Greg Mattison!!! his calls Suck!!!!!!!!!
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jesus give it a rest already. The guy sends a 7 man rush, and it's Matty's fault that not one of those seven people can beat their assignment?? right....
he did make a couple questionable calls, but its not his fault our guys cant take care of their assignments.