New Nfl Teams?

[havoc_oblivion]

Ok so there has been talk of in the next few year adding more teams to the nfl. I don't know if this would just be teams moving or ownership changes. But what if there was more then 32 teams? What would happen to the ravens? Would we still be called the Afc north with 5 teams instead of 4?

[Sub-Zero]

all I know is that the scheduling formula right now is PERFECT. Every 8 years, EVERY team would have played each other at least once in their own home. Im too lazy to the math right now but I imagine adding a few teams would mess that up big time.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='havoc_oblivion' date='02 December 2009 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1259778691' post='300707']
Ok so there has been talk of in the next few year adding more teams to the nfl. I don't know if this would just be teams moving or ownership changes. But what if there was more then 32 teams? What would happen to the ravens? Would we still be called the Afc north with 5 teams instead of 4?
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I don't think the NFL would add teams before they moved others (Rams, Jaguars, Bills) to Los Angeles.

[wbirkhead]

It could be interesting. but the main question I would have is where? There's been a lot of talk of expanding the NFL into Europe, Mexico and Canada (that's why they keep scheduling games there). Maybe there would be a new international division? As far as 5 teams per division, that's not unheard of. Before the re-alignment, the AFC Central had 6 teams, it would just make the scheduling a little harder.

[edreedfromtheu]

The simple answer is... there aren't going to be any brand new teams forming. All that will happen is, a current team might move. So there will still be 32 teams, but the divisions might change.

In my opinion, I HATE the conferences and divisions. I would rather have it wide open, where a team would play every other team in the league over a 2 season span. Your regular season schedule would be one half of the league one season, and the other half the next.

The playoffs would be seeded by overall record. That way you can have any possible match-up for the Super Bowl. The way it currently is set... you could NEVER have a Patriots/Colts Super Bowl. Or a Ravens/Steelers. Or a Vikings/Packers. ETC. ETC. ETC.

[beetus]

Mathmatically, 32 teams is perfect, so I highly doubt that the league will change that. International teams would be a pain and the logistics would be hell. Right now, if there would be a new franchise, it would be the LA Rams (again lol).

[havoc_oblivion]

I do like the 32 team set up also, but i think somewhere down the line its gonna change.living in maryland i'm lucky enough to have a team here, i know how much it sucks not to have one. When the colts left us it sucked and went on for years. Who do you root for if you live in a state that doesn't have a team? How many games to you get on TV if your state doesnt have a team?

[McBoller]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='02 December 2009 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1259779843' post='300724']
The simple answer is... there aren't going to be any brand new teams forming. All that will happen is, a current team might move. So there will still be 32 teams, but the divisions might change.

In my opinion, I HATE the conferences and divisions. I would rather have it wide open, where a team would play every other team in the league over a 2 season span. Your regular season schedule would be one half of the league one season, and the other half the next.

The playoffs would be seeded by overall record. That way you can have any possible match-up for the Super Bowl. The way it currently is set... you could NEVER have a Patriots/Colts Super Bowl. Or a Ravens/Steelers. Or a Vikings/Packers. ETC. ETC. ETC.
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its that way in every sport and it setsup rivalries better if they DONT play each other in the big game.You'll never see a Celtics/Cavs NBA finals or a Yankees/Red Sox World Series.

[trooper1973]

[quote name='havoc_oblivion' date='02 December 2009 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1259778691' post='300707']
Ok so there has been talk of in the next few year adding more teams to the nfl. I don't know if this would just be teams moving or ownership changes. But what if there was more then 32 teams? What would happen to the ravens? Would we still be called the Afc north with 5 teams instead of 4?
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there will not be more than 32 teams.a team will move to LA but the divions won't change

[Dubs]

my view on the issue is similar and i think 32 teams is more then enoigh for the next 10 years or so..maybe after that expand once we have a real stable base of fans elsewhere (ex. Canada and Mexico before Europe)

But what i think/ like to see happen in the next 10 years in the NFL would be

SD goes to LA..time will tell if this is true, Qualcomm deal almost up LA got the go ahead to build a stadium. If not SD someone is gonna be in LA

Jaguars will leave Jacksonville, possibilities in my mind Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Portland, and Louisville..im sure there are others.

Dream aspect. Buffalo moves to Toronto..it is a possibility and i think it would be exremely smart by the NFL, the CFL does not want this, not sure about all Canadians, but id like it. Ultimately it says the NFL is willing to go international, and they would be doing it in the easiest logistical manner. However Stadium situation in Canada are not the same as America, they will need some owner willing to put up a stadium should they wanna come here permanently.

Just some thoughts

If there were to be new teams (not saying they will) what cities do you think will come up in discussion?

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

[quote name='Dubs' date='02 December 2009 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1259784293' post='300768']
my view on the issue is similar and i think 32 teams is more then enoigh for the next 10 years or so..maybe after that expand once we have a real stable base of fans elsewhere (ex. Canada and Mexico before Europe)

But what i think/ like to see happen in the next 10 years in the NFL would be

SD goes to LA..time will tell if this is true, Qualcomm deal almost up LA got the go ahead to build a stadium. If not SD someone is gonna be in LA

Jaguars will leave Jacksonville, possibilities in my mind Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Portland, and Louisville..im sure there are others.

Dream aspect. Buffalo moves to Toronto..it is a possibility and i think it would be exremely smart by the NFL, the CFL does not want this, not sure about all Canadians, but id like it. Ultimately it says the NFL is willing to go international, and they would be doing it in the easiest logistical manner. However Stadium situation in Canada are not the same as America, they will need some owner willing to put up a stadium should they wanna come here permanently.

Just some thoughts

If there were to be new teams (not saying they will) what cities do you think will come up in discussion?
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Yeah really, if you think about it, what other Big Cities could get a NFL Franchise. Most already have one. Especially on the East coast. Richmond, and norfolk , and York PA are not big enough, Dover Delaware isn't either. Florida doesn't need anymore teams. If there is any new team coming, I cant imagine it coming on the east coast.

And if you think about it, if the NFL was formed [u]today[/u], places like Buffalo and Green Bay would not get a team. Simply because of population and City size, Even know there Football market is strong now. Everyone there loves their football. One of the weakest I would have to say is Tennessee by far. I still cant believe Jacksonville got a franchise before Baltimore LOL. How long have they been covering up thousands of seats?

[Lonecrow52]

The round-robin idea sounds intriguing, except that a team can't play itself, therefore 32 teams would make for uneven seasons over a two year span.

I have to agree with the sentiment that this current scheduling formula and the number of teams is as close to perfect as the NFL will ever get. You can't even argue that certain interconference matchups don't happen enough because some team pairings NEVER happened in the old scheduling days.

[MagicianCamille]

NFL's schedule and divisional/conference set up is perfect as it is. Divisions create rivalries, if you just played 16 different teams every year that'd take away from rivalries and inter-division competition to make the playoffs every year.

Though...if they dropped 2 preseason games and added 2 regular season games and everyone on both sides agreed with it...I'd be happy with that.

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='Dubs' date='02 December 2009 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1259784293' post='300768']
my view on the issue is similar and i think 32 teams is more then enoigh for the next 10 years or so..maybe after that expand once we have a real stable base of fans elsewhere (ex. Canada and Mexico before Europe)

But what i think/ like to see happen in the next 10 years in the NFL would be

SD goes to LA..time will tell if this is true, Qualcomm deal almost up LA got the go ahead to build a stadium. If not SD someone is gonna be in LA

Jaguars will leave Jacksonville, possibilities in my mind Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Portland, and Louisville..im sure there are others.

Dream aspect. Buffalo moves to Toronto..it is a possibility and i think it would be exremely smart by the NFL, the CFL does not want this, not sure about all Canadians, but id like it. Ultimately it says the NFL is willing to go international, and they would be doing it in the easiest logistical manner. However Stadium situation in Canada are not the same as America, they will need some owner willing to put up a stadium should they wanna come here permanently.

Just some thoughts

If there were to be new teams (not saying they will) what cities do you think will come up in discussion?
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I dont think you can have a professional sports team in Las Vegas. Hence why there is no MLB, NBA, or NFL teams already there.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='McBoller' date='02 December 2009 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1259782369' post='300746']
its that way in every sport and it setsup rivalries better if they DONT play each other in the big game.You'll never see a Celtics/Cavs NBA finals or a Yankees/Red Sox World Series.
[/quote]

Ummm... if you want a rivalry, then WIN GAMES and make the playoffs regularly. Then you can play against the same teams every year and develop a rivalry. I really could care less about who wins the regular season games against the Steelers, Bengals, or Browns... or anyone else for that matter. All that matters is who wins the Super Bowl. Just like last year, the Ravens lost against the Titans. They beat them in the playoffs though.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='02 December 2009 - 12:44 PM' timestamp='1259779481' post='300716']
I don't think the NFL would add teams before they moved others (Rams, Jaguars, Bills) to Los Angeles.
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I agree,one of these teams is going L.A.The N.F.L.covets that TV market and you know L.A.is coming after somebody with a boat load of money.One wild card I'd like to toss out there is the Raiders!Why, Al Davis,dude's clueless!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

As an international fan, I'm not sure what I think of expansion. NFL in Europe seems to farfetched to me, even though games played in England sell out.

Bring a team to New Zealand, we have some fast physical athletes down here! although that would be weird as I'd have to support them and I love me some Ravens football!

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='02 December 2009 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1259805835' post='301123']
Ummm... if you want a rivalry, then WIN GAMES and make the playoffs regularly. Then you can play against the same teams every year and develop a rivalry. I really could care less about who wins the regular season games against the Steelers, Bengals, or Browns... or anyone else for that matter. All that matters is who wins the Super Bowl. Just like last year, the Ravens lost against the Titans. They beat them in the playoffs though.
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Just no. That would create chaos. Even scuba steve would find it hard to breathe around that league. Every single league has divisions and have had them for a long time. Why change that? It allows to the 2 best teams from each division to play and try to win the big game. The schedule should stay the same.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

yeah, even know the game are sold out, they have no idea what they are looking at. its hilarious theres a fumble and they have to be told to cheer, or gasp.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='02 December 2009 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1259779843' post='300724']
The simple answer is... there aren't going to be any brand new teams forming. All that will happen is, a current team might move. So there will still be 32 teams, but the divisions might change.

In my opinion, I HATE the conferences and divisions. I would rather have it wide open, where a team would play every other team in the league over a 2 season span. Your regular season schedule would be one half of the league one season, and the other half the next.

The playoffs would be seeded by overall record. That way you can have any possible match-up for the Super Bowl. The way it currently is set... you could NEVER have a Patriots/Colts Super Bowl. Or a Ravens/Steelers. Or a Vikings/Packers. ETC. ETC. ETC.
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Here is a slightly different take on that idea. Keep the conference format, but open up the seeding within each conference and eliminate inter-conference games (the way baseball used to be and should be). That way the competition within each conference is more balanced and the teams that meet in the SB woould not have faced each other in the regular season. I would not allow a division winner an automatic bid to the playoffs, but winning a division would be a tie breaker. I'm not a NE fan by any stretch of the imagination but is it really fair that they did not make the PO's last year at 11-5 but SD did at 8-8?

Oh, and while I'm on my soapbox, NO expansion outside the US and stop these ridiculous neutral site games in England, Toronto, Mexico or wherever. Why should a paying fan lose a game because the NFL wants to promote itself to other countries? They don't fill out stadiums so shy should we fill there's?

[TArmstrongPhotos]

I can't see anymore expansion. 32 teams is about how big the NFL wants to be max, without devaluing existing teams because of proximity to existing franchises, TV contracts etc. The major markets already have teams and places like OK City or Las Vegas simply don't have the population or TV markets necessary. Plus, both sit in secondary markets for existing teams.

What looks likely is that Jacksonville will lose the Jaguars. They can't draw sell-outs, even now being 7-5. Their game v. Texans is blacked out, and the Jags are in the thick of the playoff hunt. Look for them to resurface in Los Angeles shortly.

I don't think expansion to Canada will happen, cuz of tax and pay issues - pay and/or tax in US dollars or Canadian? - and pushback from the CFL. Mexico, given the violence and tenuous state of law enforcement, etc. I'd think is a non-starter.

[Reed_4_President]

American Made SPORT.. Football needs to STAY in AMERICA.<-

[PSU RAVEN]

[quote name='TArmstrongPhotos' date='04 December 2009 - 12:56 PM' timestamp='1259949412' post='301869']
I can't see anymore expansion. 32 teams is about how big the NFL wants to be max, without devaluing existing teams because of proximity to existing franchises, TV contracts etc. The major markets already have teams and places like OK City or Las Vegas simply don't have the population or TV markets necessary. Plus, both sit in secondary markets for existing teams.

What looks likely is that Jacksonville will lose the Jaguars. They can't draw sell-outs, even now being 7-5. Their game v. Texans is blacked out, and the Jags are in the thick of the playoff hunt. Look for them to resurface in Los Angeles shortly.

I don't think expansion to Canada will happen, cuz of tax and pay issues - pay and/or tax in US dollars or Canadian? - and pushback from the CFL. Mexico, given the violence and tenuous state of law enforcement, etc. I'd think is a non-starter.
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I agree JAX is going somewhere. The only other team I can foresee moving is the St Louis Rams. Team is for sale, and they were in LA before, so not too much public outcry about the move back "home". Though ironically the Rams were originally from Cleveland.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='02 December 2009 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1259779843' post='300724']
The simple answer is... there aren't going to be any brand new teams forming. All that will happen is, a current team might move. So there will still be 32 teams, but the divisions might change.

In my opinion, I HATE the conferences and divisions. I would rather have it wide open, where a team would play every other team in the league over a 2 season span. Your regular season schedule would be one half of the league one season, and the other half the next.

The playoffs would be seeded by overall record. That way you can have any possible match-up for the Super Bowl. The way it currently is set... you could NEVER have a Patriots/Colts Super Bowl. Or a Ravens/Steelers. Or a Vikings/Packers. ETC. ETC. ETC.
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No other sport is like that though. Not shooting down your idea, because I can see your point and where it would make sense. I'm just saying that you will also never see a Yankees/Red Sox World Series (thank god) and you will also never see a Detroit/Colorado Stanley Cup. The only thing that doesn't make sense in Football is the divisional alignment. I mean, I understand it's because of the money that Rivalry generates, but with new divisions come new rivals.. I mean how in the world is Dallas in the NFC east? How are the Ravens in the AFC North, but the Jets and Pats aren't? Money.

[cm06mrs]

London franchise please.

[RI Raven]

it's reached a point where the NFL is getting greedy. we have a perfect system right now with 32 teams, a perfect playoff picture, a perfect scheduling system, and might i add that 16 games is ENOUGH!!! we don't need to wear down these guys. If they add games to the season, teams are going to start needing 2 starting quarterbacks and such because theyre going to be physically and emotionally destroyed by the end of the season! the nfl rakes in enough money and needs to just relax with all these additions theyre going for.