Hauschka Released

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='SaVaGe' date='17 November 2009 - 02:19 PM' timestamp='1258489185' post='284733']
Possibly to be honest, isn't there kicker almost healthy again?
[/quote I think you have to think long term at some point.We aren't the only team to go through this,as most fans know,but this is the first time we(the Raven's)have had to.Best chance for now,do the best we can to bring in someone to at least give us a chance and just see how it works out.Kickers are a rare breed and hard to gauge until,like the Minnesota game it's all on the line and it counts for real,not an exhibition game or practice.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='NeoZer0' date='18 November 2009 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1258531937' post='285508']
Gano: (UFL)
9/11 Long: 53 XP:13/13

Hauschka:
9/13 Long: 44 XP: 27/28

Stover:
6/6 Long: 40 XP: 13/13

Stover in 2008
27/33 Long: 47 XP: 41/41

I personally think Gano will be the better kick EVENTUALLY. But what do I know? I'm just a fan.

Stover IMO was still the best man for the job until someone beat him out. I don't know what the staff was thinking here.
[/quote]Starting field postion on kick offs and incresed scoring opportunities based on leg strenth.The only problem is accuracy,and every Raven fan found that out in a painful way.Also,as tempting as bringing back Matt Stover may be it's still something that is going to have to be adressed eventually.Remember last year we had to use a roster spot to carry two kickers and right now I think that spot would be better used on defense,but I guess we'll all see soon enough.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='zac358' date='17 November 2009 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1258489540' post='284747']
We need to pick up Art Carmody. He played kicker at Louisville and won the Lou Groza. He leads the NCAA all time in points scored and is a very accurate kicker. He was never picked up.
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Interesting,kind of makes me wonder why he did't get a call last week or did he? I only heard about Cundiff and Nugent.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I'm unsettled that we have to worry about the kicking atop all our other problems.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='17 November 2009 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1258489552' post='284748']
This was a given... now the question is: who do we bring in to kick?
[/quote I hope the evaluation process is better this week than last,there's not much margin for error at this point with so much riding on Sunday.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

[quote name='codizzle' date='17 November 2009 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1258519754' post='285446']
captain obvious huh
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Very cleaver observation,the focus for the team should be one game at a time and 60 minutes of playing"Like a Raven".

[TXRaven]

It was a good move although the kid may be a good kicker one day, it was clear that mentally he could not get the job done now. The Ravens could wait no longer he had already cost them the Viking game, and that FG in Cincy would have changed the complextion of that game. Missed FG and blocke ET against a better team we may have lost Bye... my only concern is that a journeyman kicker may not get us through either.

[Tighthead420]

Haushka was asked, off topic, which side of the political isle is he on. His response 'I always lean slightly left.' (It's just a joke mods...not starting political arguments or anything)

It is a bit suprising at week 10. I suppose the coaches[b] really [/b] had no confidence left in him at all. Gano won't be the new kicker this year, pretty much forget about that. They need a guy who can make kicks, no matter how strong his leg is. A guy who can boot the ball 60 yards doesn't matter if it always drifts left (or right or whatever).

[Purple Punishment]

Pretty Funny Tighthead I needed that!!

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='18 November 2009 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1258520587' post='285453']
[b]Haushka's problem is that he just can't handle the pressure[/b][i][/i][u][/u].
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but that is when we need this cat to come through....at pressured times! he was supposedly our "best" kicker. if he is our best...than i would hate to see our worst. good ridance!

[shaikh015]

I believe that when we were training these kickers in the off-season. We only had 2 guys we wanted to choose from...If we had given ourselves more options like 5-6 to narrow down from then we could have avoided the loss of two games directly on the kicker messing up.

[FlaccoFlicker]

everyone is saying Gano which doesn't matter cus we signed Billy Cundiff,but you guys do remember Gano was missing in preseason to.

[theFRANCHISE]

Hauscka's replacement has just been signed. [url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/15768-billy-cundiff-signed-by-ravens/"]Thread[/url]

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 November 2009 - 11:00 AM' timestamp='1258560023' post='285655']
Hauscka's replacement has just been signed. [url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/15768-billy-cundiff-signed-by-ravens/"]Thread[/url]
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you know there will still be like 7 more made today kinda like cmac lol

[Terrellb2007]

There will be a lot more threads made because of how fast it happened. Yes it was surprising but [u]if [/u]it would happen definitely. Harbaugh wouldn't be a special teams guru and be the head coach of a team where his kicker couldn't make the big kicks. No way Jose'. Field goals were what won us plenty of our games in Baltimore in the past (Stover the Most valuble kicker).

[horsey]

[quote name='shaikh015' date='18 November 2009 - 11:52 AM' timestamp='1258559570' post='285644']
I believe that when we were training these kickers in the off-season. We only had 2 guys we wanted to choose from...If we had given ourselves more options like 5-6 to narrow down from then we could have avoided the loss of two games directly on the kicker messing up.
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I remember the MIN game but refresh my memory on the second. Was that an 11 point kick he missed against CIN?

[horsey]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='18 November 2009 - 11:59 AM' timestamp='1258559978' post='285654']
everyone is saying Gano which doesn't matter cus we signed Billy Cundiff,but you guys do remember Gano was missing in preseason to.
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Exactly. Everyone would be happy with either Stover or anyone who is not currently kicking for the Ravens but has a better perceived upside than whomever is kicking for the Ravens.

People need to go a little deeper than just a couple missed kicks, inportant as they are. Hauschka was in the top half of the league (until monday night) in KO distance and that is despite several intentional squib kicks designed to keep the ball away from the likes of Harvin, Sproles, Royal and Cribbs who have all scored on KO this season. I understand the need for a little more consistency right now but I think Hauschka could have turned into a long term solution if people had not been so bent on comparing him to Stover.

[20ravens52]

[quote name='horsey' date='18 November 2009 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1258574215' post='285916']
Exactly. Everyone would be happy with either Stover or anyone who is not currently kicking for the Ravens but has a better perceived upside than whomever is kicking for the Ravens.

People need to go a little deeper than just a couple missed kicks, inportant as they are. Hauschka was in the top half of the league (until monday night) in KO distance and that is despite several intentional squib kicks designed to keep the ball away from the likes of Harvin, Sproles, Royal and Cribbs who have all scored on KO this season. I understand the need for a little more consistency right now but I think Hauschka could have turned into a long term solution if people had not been so bent on comparing him to Stover.
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Yup look at Stover's stats in his first 3 years...they are less than impressive.

Think about the pressure Stover was under in his first three years. And he wasn't under as much pressure as Hauschka.


The thing is fans always want a solution now! Most Kickers take time to develop that is a well known fact.

[McBoller]

[quote name='20ravens52' date='18 November 2009 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1258575522' post='285957']
Yup look at Stover's stats in his first 3 years...they are less than impressive.

Think about the pressure Stover was under in his first three years. And he wasn't under as much pressure as Hauschka.


The thing is fans always want a solution now![b] Most Kickers take time to develop that is a well known fact.[/b]
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All the more reason why having two kickers is not a bad idea. I mean weve had Kruger and Dwill warming the bench the whole season thus far. One of those spots could have been utilized better.

[hammer]

[quote name='horsey' date='18 November 2009 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1258574215' post='285916']
Exactly. Everyone would be happy with either Stover or anyone who is not currently kicking for the Ravens but has a better perceived upside than whomever is kicking for the Ravens.

People need to go a little deeper than just a couple missed kicks, inportant as they are. Hauschka was in the top half of the league (until monday night) in KO distance and that is despite several intentional squib kicks designed to keep the ball away from the likes of Harvin, Sproles, Royal and Cribbs who have all scored on KO this season. I understand the need for a little more consistency right now but I think Hauschka could have turned into a long term solution if people had not been so bent on comparing him to Stover.
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1. People need to go a little deeper than just a couple missed kicks

[b]Reply: No, We Don't! Some of those missed kicks were HUGE![/b]

2. Hauschka was in the top half of the league (until monday night) in KO distance and that is despite several intentional squib kicks

[b]Reply: You would not be able to tell that by me.[/b]

[Virginia Ravens Fan]

Haushka gives up some 3's and the Corners give up 7's. I think 7's trump 3's.

[Militant X 1]

hauschka even said himself that he lacked the confidence needed in kicking when he missed those field goals. this cat just couldn't kick UNDER PRESSURE!!! and the nfl....you will constantly be UNDER PRESSURE!!!

[BloodRaven]

When Hauscka started sailing all those kicks to the left I realized that the NFL Fantasy Files vid of him kicking the ball to the moon was a fake.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='19 November 2009 - 09:06 AM' timestamp='1258635964' post='286478']
When Hauscka started sailing all those kicks to the left I realized that the NFL Fantasy Files vid of him kicking the ball to the moon was a fake.
[/quote]
LOL

anyway: this whole thing needn´t had to happen. what a big mess by the FO!!!!

[horsey]

2. Hauschka was in the top half of the league (until monday night) in KO distance and that is despite several intentional squib kicks

[b]Reply: You would not be able to tell that by me.[/b]
[/quote]

That is not an opinion, it's a fact based on stats kept which are available to anyone on NFL.com under the stats category "kicking". Hauschka had pretty good distance and many of the players he is behind are specialists and/or kick in a dome or warm weather. People can also find on there that Succop, someone who everyone seems pretty high on, has one of the worst averages in the league. Not saying his missed kick in MIN wasn't big, and maybe moving on is the best thing, but people talk about the guy like Harbaugh signed him out of a bar down at Fells Point and threw him in there.

[hammer]

[quote name='horsey' date='19 November 2009 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1258641193' post='286510']
2. Hauschka was in the top half of the league (until monday night) in KO distance and that is despite several intentional squib kicks

[b]Reply: You would not be able to tell that by me.[/b]
[/quote]

That is not an opinion, it's a fact based on stats kept which are available to anyone on NFL.com under the stats category "kicking". Hauschka had pretty good distance and many of the players he is behind are specialists and/or kick in a dome or warm weather. People can also find on there that Succop, someone who everyone seems pretty high on, has one of the worst averages in the league. Not saying his missed kick in MIN wasn't big, and maybe moving on is the best thing, but people talk about the guy like Harbaugh signed him out of a bar down at Fells Point and threw him in there.
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1. That is not an opinion, it's a fact based on stats

[b]Reply: You STILL! would not be able to tell that by me.[/b]

I am not married to the stats in this particular instance. My negative feeling comes out of my gut, the old fashioned way..... from watching the game.

No offense meant to you, but I did not see Hauschka's kickoffs being that much better that Stover's. Maybe it was because the kicker from the other team always seems to kickoff better that him. See, that's not stats. That's just my eyes.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Shankasaurus is gone, thank goodness.

[horsey]

[b]Reply: You STILL! would not be able to tell that by me.[/b]

I am not married to the stats in this particular instance. My negative feeling comes out of my gut, the old fashioned way..... from watching the game.

No offense meant to you, but I did not see Hauschka's kickoffs being that much better that Stover's. Maybe it was because the kicker from the other team always seems to kickoff better that him. See, that's not stats. That's just my eyes.
[/quote]

None taken, but there is more to kicking off than the fan can see based on distance alone. Direction (Left or right corner) and hang time are important factors too when kicking off to the best returners in the league, which he was every other week. Look at the Denver game as a specific example. He kicked several into the endzone and had only one touchback. But on several other kicks, thanks to the long hang time combined with excellent coverage, Eddie Royal was stopped at or short of the 20 yd. I've watched many other games besides the Raves this season and there are few guys who kick into the EZ and routinely get touchbacks and the ones that do tend to kick it on a frozen rope that doesn't get very high and allows ample time for a returner to get a head f steam coming out of the EZ. The other risk these types of kicks run is that, like over-swinging on a golf shot, they run the risk of shanking it and hitting a really lousy kick. Rhys LLloyd of the Panthers is a good example. While he hits most of his kicks well and long, they are low and I've seen several knuckle ball shanks that barely get to the 20. Stovers kicks were stalling at the 12 and barely making it inside the 10 last year unless he really connected on a low liner. It's a short play that many people don't pay much attention to other than to note where the kick lands so I'm just trying to shed a little light and allow you and others to be a more complete fan of the game. Check out the stats on NFL.com, I was surprised by the numbers and by where some supposedly good kickers were ranked.

Cheers

[hammer]

[quote name='horsey' date='20 November 2009 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1258728677' post='287326']
[b]Reply: You STILL! would not be able to tell that by me.[/b]

I am not married to the stats in this particular instance. My negative feeling comes out of my gut, the old fashioned way..... from watching the game.

No offense meant to you, but I did not see Hauschka's kickoffs being that much better that Stover's. Maybe it was because the kicker from the other team always seems to kickoff better that him. See, that's not stats. That's just my eyes.
[/quote]

None taken, but there is more to kicking off than the fan can see based on distance alone. Direction (Left or right corner) and hang time are important factors too when kicking off to the best returners in the league, which he was every other week. Look at the Denver game as a specific example. He kicked several into the endzone and had only one touchback. But on several other kicks, thanks to the long hang time combined with excellent coverage, Eddie Royal was stopped at or short of the 20 yd. I've watched many other games besides the Raves this season and there are few guys who kick into the EZ and routinely get touchbacks and the ones that do tend to kick it on a frozen rope that doesn't get very high and allows ample time for a returner to get a head f steam coming out of the EZ. The other risk these types of kicks run is that, like over-swinging on a golf shot, they run the risk of shanking it and hitting a really lousy kick. Rhys LLloyd of the Panthers is a good example. While he hits most of his kicks well and long, they are low and I've seen several knuckle ball shanks that barely get to the 20. Stovers kicks were stalling at the 12 and barely making it inside the 10 last year unless he really connected on a low liner. It's a short play that many people don't pay much attention to other than to note where the kick lands so [size="4"][b]I'm just trying to shed a little light and allow you and others to be a more complete fan of the game.[/b][/size] Check out the stats on NFL.com, I was surprised by the numbers and by where some supposedly good kickers were ranked.

Cheers
[/quote]

A more complete fan of the game? By analyzing stats on kickoff distance and angles?

Come on Dude, enjoying Christmas doesn't have to include wearing a Santa Suit does it? Too much of a good thing is just too much. LOL.

[midwestravensfan]

Hauschka lost two big games for us, so he was not ready to be a Raven just yet. And sure, Stover has made all his kicks in Indy, but he was stuggling with the longer kicks too the last few years and has not had to make one in with Indy yet, so who knows if the result would have been any different with Stover. Lets just hope the new guy brings it and can do what needs to be done to win!!!!!