Oher Named Mid Term Nfl All Pro

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It's all here, you can read it for your self. You GO Kid!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com//2009/writers/peter_king/11/10/all-pro.team/index.html

[Alexir]

[font="Comic Sans MS"][size="2"]Nice, I like how Aubrayo Franklin is on there as well. Wish we still had him on the team.[/size][/font]

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[quote name='Alexir' date='12 November 2009 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1258000193' post='280508']
[font="Comic Sans MS"][size="2"]Nice, I like how Aubrayo Franklin is on there as well. Wish we still had him on the team.[/size][/font]
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I questioned whether that was the same dude. Wow, could we really use him now? What if we had kept him and James Harrison (aka - the "Silverback")?

[Fred Sanford]

Yeah, I saw Aubrayo maul through a double team and nail a RB in the backfield the other day, guy's become very nice.

David Harris is good but a stretch as 2nd best inside LB.

Oher is a legit pick because every other team puts their premier tackle at LT. RT is usually a mauler with bad footwork like Orlando Brown or Phil Loadholt.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Congrats, rookie. Huge future ahead of him!

[Purple Punishment]

I still think back when he owned Renaldo Wynn. He was just nasty with him!

[ravensfan160]

Oher is great and gets my vote for rookie of the year. However there is no way he should be an All-Pro. I don't know of any RT that could replace him on this list but c'mon the guy is a rookie.

[PuRock]

Gaither being out really showed the all-pro potential in this kid. He doesn't miss a beat no matter where he is placed. He finishes plays. He protects. I like Oher in the draft, I questioned the drafting of a Tackle before we got him. But now it all make sense.

Maybe next year we can do the same with a CB. How nice it would be to hear that one of our CBs is a mid-term all-pro.

[Shawn`]

I'm such a bad draft advice giver.

I got mad when we drafted Oher, because I would much rather have a CB. But now that's changed, glad I wasn't the one in charge for the call

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='12 November 2009 - 09:04 AM' timestamp='1258038281' post='280577']
Gaither being out really showed the all-pro potential in this kid. He doesn't miss a beat no matter where he is placed. He finishes plays. He protects. I like Oher in the draft, I questioned the drafting of a Tackle before we got him. But now it all make sense.

Maybe next year we can do the same with a CB. How nice it would be to hear that one of our CBs is a mid-term all-pro.
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We goto the superbowl Pu if that happens lol.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='ravensfan160' date='12 November 2009 - 09:20 AM' timestamp='1258035648' post='280569']
Oher is great and gets my vote for rookie of the year. However there is no way he should be an All-Pro. I don't know of any RT that could replace him on this list but c'mon the guy is a rookie.
[/quote]

Uhh, faulty logic. . .?

Grubbs/Oher/Gaither are beyond legit.

Now if only Yanda could stay healthy. . .

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='12 November 2009 - 03:16 PM' timestamp='1258056977' post='280736']
Uhh, faulty logic. . .?

Grubbs/Oher/Gaither are beyond legit.

Now if only Yanda could stay healthy. . .
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No disrespect but maybe its you with the faulty logic. All Pro means the best player at his position in the entire NFL. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are All Pros and rightfully so. Gaither and Grubbs are legit but IMHO they aren't the best at their position but at least they are established veterans. If I can't justify either of those guys being All-Pro then I certainly can't justify giving a rookie that title.

[FerrariFan87]

Oher is a monster and will be the steal of that draft...

[H8R]

Gaither isn't a Veteran...... Oher deserves any accolade he gets, the guy is a hard worker and really does an outstanding job, this validates the hard work for now. This is only a mid-season deal though, he isn't an All-Pro yet.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='ravensfan160' date='13 November 2009 - 02:20 AM' timestamp='1258035648' post='280569']
Oher is great and gets my vote for rookie of the year. However there is no way he should be an All-Pro. I don't know of any RT that could replace him on this list but c'mon the guy is a rookie.
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I would say Jeff Otah, and that is poor logic! Lol.

[FlaccoFlicker]

happy to see him get the regonition actually got the SI with the story in it then saw this thread.Really wanna go see the blind side,even the little lady wants to see it which surprised me,of course when she saw the trailer she said to me,isn't Michael Oher the guy the Ravens drafted.I did a double take i was like you actually listen to me talk football.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='13 November 2009 - 12:59 PM' timestamp='1258073987' post='280919']
happy to see him get the regonition actually got the SI with the story in it then saw this thread.Really wanna go see the blind side,even the little lady wants to see it which surprised me,of course when she saw the trailer [b]she said to me,isn't Michael Oher the guy the Ravens drafted.[/b]I did a double take i was like you actually listen to me talk football.
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The exact words my girlfriend used at the time.

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='12 November 2009 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1258074126' post='280921']
The exact words my girlfriend used at the time.
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I was floored because i just thought she nodded and just let the stuff go in on ear and out the other
I'm always talking sports and comics but she actually listens to me....something my ex wife didn't.She wants a pink Flacco jersey but I have always hated the pink ones.....what do i do lol

[Ravnet]

[quote name='ravensfan160' date='12 November 2009 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1258057657' post='280745']
No disrespect but maybe its you with the faulty logic. All Pro means the best player at his position in the entire NFL. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are All Pros and rightfully so. Gaither and Grubbs are legit but IMHO they aren't the best at their position but at least they are established veterans. If I can't justify either of those guys being All-Pro then I certainly can't justify giving a rookie that title.
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I wasn't saying that I disagree with you, just that your logic was faulty in that it is wrong to say that a player can't be All-Pro simply because they're a rookie.

I meant to say that you should list a player better than Oher, or else you're just assuming.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='12 November 2009 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1258074236' post='280924']
I was floored because i just thought she nodded and just let the stuff go in on ear and out the other
I'm always talking sports and comics but she actually listens to me....something my ex wife didn't.She wants a pink Flacco jersey but I have always hated the pink ones.....what do i do lol
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Get her a pink Joe Flacco jersey, duh!

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[quote name='ravensfan160' date='12 November 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1258057657' post='280745']
No disrespect but maybe its you with the faulty logic. All Pro means the best player at his position in the entire NFL. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are All Pros and rightfully so. Gaither and Grubbs are legit but IMHO they aren't the best at their position but at least they are established veterans. If I can't justify either of those guys being All-Pro then I certainly can't justify giving a rookie that title.
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[b]Sorry Dude, it is YOU with the faulty logic. Consider these examples:[/b]

1. [b]Curtis Martin, RB New England Patriots, 1995 [/b]- He was elected to the Pro-Bowl and the Associated Press selected Martin as the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year as well.

2. [b]Randy Moss, WR Minnesota Vikings 1998[/b] - Moss racked up 69 receptions for 1313 yards receiving with 17 touchdowns, which is a rookie record. Moss was named a Pro Bowl starter and the Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.


3. [b]Earl Campbell, RB Houston Oilers 1978 [/b]- As a rookie, he had 1450 yards rushing with a 4.8 yards per carry average along with 13 touchdowns. He was named the Offensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press as well as the Most Valuable Player in the NFL.


4. [b]Lawrence Taylor LB New York Giants 1981[/b] - He racked up 9.5 sacks and led the Giants with 133 tackles. The Associated Press named Taylor as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year and the overall NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

5. [b]Adrian Peterson, RB Minnesota Vikings 2007 [/b]- He was named the starting running back for the NFC Pro Bowl team and he was named The Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

6. [b]Eric Dickerson, RB Los Angeles Rams 1983[/b] - His fabulous rookie season earned him All-Pro, the Pro Bowl, the Player of the Year and Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

[b]Just because you are a NFL rookie, does not automatically disqualify you for All Pro Honors. Hey, give the kid credit, already.[/b]

[Jamal]

Nice to see Oher getting this honor. He is one of the few positive additions from last years draft/free agency.

[hammer]

Well, I guess this kinda settles the question of which of the "bookend tackles" is the better player, Gaither or Oher, right?

[mhead66]

[quote name='hammer' date='13 November 2009 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1258150014' post='281342']
[b]Sorry Dude, it is YOU with the faulty logic. Consider these examples:[/b]

1. [b]Curtis Martin, RB New England Patriots, 1995 [/b]- He was elected to the Pro-Bowl and the Associated Press selected Martin as the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year as well.

2. [b]Randy Moss, WR Minnesota Vikings 1998[/b] - Moss racked up 69 receptions for 1313 yards receiving with 17 touchdowns, which is a rookie record. Moss was named a Pro Bowl starter and the Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.


3. [b]Earl Campbell, RB Houston Oilers 1978 [/b]- As a rookie, he had 1450 yards rushing with a 4.8 yards per carry average along with 13 touchdowns. He was named the Offensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press as well as the Most Valuable Player in the NFL.


4. [b]Lawrence Taylor LB New York Giants 1981[/b] - He racked up 9.5 sacks and led the Giants with 133 tackles. The Associated Press named Taylor as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year and the overall NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

5. [b]Adrian Peterson, RB Minnesota Vikings 2007 [/b]- He was named the starting running back for the NFC Pro Bowl team and he was named The Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

6. [b]Eric Dickerson, RB Los Angeles Rams 1983[/b] - His fabulous rookie season earned him All-Pro, the Pro Bowl, the Player of the Year and Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

[b]Just because you are a NFL rookie, does not automatically disqualify you for All Pro Honors. Hey, give the kid credit, already.[/b]
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Moss, Dickerson, AP, Taylor and Campbell were/are probable HOF players. AP was not only rookie of the year, he was [b]the[/b] best RB in the NFL his rookie year.

Ravensfan160 is merely questioning whether Mike Oher is the [b]best[/b] right tackle in the NFL, this season. He's been a [b]great[/b] find, and has a stellar future - but the question is appropriate. Do we know that he'll be as good as Jon Ogden?

Just a thought...

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[quote name='mhead66' date='13 November 2009 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1258165693' post='281421']
Moss, Dickerson, AP, Taylor and Campbell were/are probable HOF players. AP was not only rookie of the year, he was [b]the[/b] best RB in the NFL his rookie year.

Ravensfan160 is merely questioning whether Mike Oher is the [b]best[/b] right tackle in the NFL, this season. He's been a [b]great[/b] find, and has a stellar future - but the question is appropriate. Do we know that he'll be as good as Jon Ogden?

Just a thought...
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Well, if you look at SI and all of their scouts and all of their staff and all of their resources and the fact that they are putting their journalistic credibility on the line and all that.

The fact that they just named him to their "mid term" All Pro team says that they believe that he IS the best right tackle in the league right now.

Do we have better evidence that Oher IS NOT? Considering all the SI resources?

[mhead66]

[quote name='hammer' date='13 November 2009 - 09:39 PM' timestamp='1258166393' post='281423']
Well, if you look at SI and all of their scouts and all of their staff and all of their resources and the fact that they are putting their journalistic credibility on the line and all that.

The fact that they just named him to their "mid term" All Pro team says that they believe that he IS the best right tackle in the league right now.

[u][b]Do we have better evidence that Oher IS NOT[/b][/u]? Considering all the SI resources?
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No, any "evidence" is purely subjective, because there is little "measureable" evidence on the quality of Offensive Linemen - unlike, for example, QBs - and especially Right Tackles. Teams' best pass rushers usually rush the LTs, and the "best" OTs usually play LT.

I'm not criticizing or underestimating Oher. He's played great - but if I was picking the best RT this year, I'd more lean toward Jordan Gross or Michael Roos... but it's just an opinion, when picking OLinemen.

Like I said, the LTs - like Walter Jones, Flozell Adams, Chris Samuels, Joe Thomas, Matt Light, Jammal Brown and Jason Peters get more ink, so their performance is more documented, when facing the best pass rushers - so RT is more subjective.

BTW - I don't put a lot of stock in Peter King - he picked Jared Allen as the best Defensive Player in the NFL. Allen has 10.5 sacks, but 7.5 came in 2 games vs. Green Bay, and their atrocious OLine. Remember that Antwan Odom also had 4.5 sacks vs. GB...

[Ed_Reed20]

What are we debating about? The fact is, people were questioning the team's decision to draft Oher as late the pre-season. However, he's already blossomed into one of the best young players in the league, in [b]8 games[/b]. Whether or not everyone is convinced he's played at an All-Pro level, enough scouts feel he has and that is definitely worth something. Ozzie hit the jackpot with him and as fans, we should be happy he's on the team.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='13 November 2009 - 01:03 PM' timestamp='1258074236' post='280924']
I was floored because i just thought she nodded and just let the stuff go in on ear and out the other
[b]I'm always talking sports and comics but she actually listens to me[/b]....something my ex wife didn't.She wants a pink Flacco jersey but I have always hated the pink ones.....what do i do lol
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Gotta love a women who will listen to Ravens talk!

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='14 November 2009 - 06:58 AM' timestamp='1258138708' post='281243']
Get her a pink Joe Flacco jersey, duh!
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I'd say so too - hopefully it encourages her interest further.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 November 2009 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1258169759' post='281428']
What are we debating about? The fact is, people were questioning the team's decision to draft Oher as late the pre-season. However, he's already blossomed into one of the best young players in the league, in [b]8 games[/b]. Whether or not everyone is convinced he's played at an All-Pro level, enough scouts feel he has and that is definitely worth something. Ozzie hit the jackpot with him and as fans, we should be happy he's on the team.
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Yeah we sure did hit the jackpot there.

[J-man]

Why isnt Reggie Wayne on there? haha

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I'm sure we'll get to mention Reggie Wayne heaps against Indianapolis unless our coverage improves.