Black Flag?

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

I just posted this idea on the Refs getting penalized topic.
What do you think about my rule and the effect it would have on games?
It would be called the BLACK FLAG rule. This would entitle each team the right to throw a black flag at anytime or any play during the game. This includes the last two minutes of each half. If a team chooses to challenge any play at anytime then this could in fact catch some of the bad or missed calls. The penalty for losing the challenge would be the loss of any other challenges if they were still at your disposal. If all other challenges are used then the penalty for losing the challenge would be perhaps 15 yards and loss of down or something along those lines. I know the idea has some holes but something along these lines would help in those situations where flags should or should not have been thrown. Again this would be a one time challenge.

This was just a thought and I would love some feedback. Be nice now!

[McBoller]

Are you talking about the ability to challenge a penalty?

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='McBoller' date='05 November 2009 - 04:01 PM' timestamp='1257451278' post='273789']
Are you talking about the ability to challenge a penalty?
[/quote]

Yes, I am saying you can, on a one time per game, challenge any play at anytime.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='05 November 2009 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1257451585' post='273797']
Yes, I am saying you can, on a one time per game, challenge any play at anytime.
[/quote]
Thats pretty useless, b/c it would only be used for normally unchallengeable plays like forward progress and penalties where the is not gonna want to reverse the call, no matter how obvious. I liked the idea that I heard on the radio today of having a ref in the booth that can look at the play on multiple monitors and call down to the head ref if an [b]obvious[/b] call or non-call was missed...like the non-pi call on mason.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='McBoller' date='05 November 2009 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1257451748' post='273800']
Thats pretty useless, b/c it would only be used for normally unchallengeable plays like forward progress and penalties where the is not gonna want to reverse the call, no matter how obvious. I liked the idea that I heard on the radio today of having a ref in the booth that can look at the play on multiple monitors and call down to the head ref if an [b]obvious[/b] call or non-call was missed...like the non-pi call on mason.
[/quote]

That is basically what the function of this would be. It would give a team the right to challenge any play that they felt a change in the outcome was due. There would be some type of penalty for also losing the challenge. This may not be the answer but there has to be some way to effectively get the majority of calls made correctly during a game.

[Purple-Haze]

It could work, we definitly couldve used it these past games lol.

[Sizzle]

I like the idea but sometimes teams just need to deal with it. I feel like some things are entertaining. Like soccer games for example when guys make outrageous things to get a penalty. Its fun until it happens to your team. I guess you are right but i am tired of new rules.

[WinnipegRaven]

So is the "black flag" to review a play when a flag SHOULD or SHOULDN'T have been thrown? not sure I understand fully yet....

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='05 November 2009 - 04:35 PM' timestamp='1257453315' post='273821']
So is the "black flag" to review a play when a flag SHOULD or SHOULDN'T have been thrown? not sure I understand fully yet....
[/quote]

Dont get the wrong idea, this is not a new rule in the NFL just an idea I had. To answer your question though, yes you would be able to review any play. If you felt a flag should have been thrown or feel that the flag thrown was incorrect and should not have been thrown.

[Ravens549]

I kinda thought an idea out with friends on this also. A flag that can be thrown on a call or no call that resulted or could result in a penalty.
A team is allowed one flag per game. It would obviously be used for a blown call.

For me, a defensive pass interference resulting in a 50+ yard gain would be an excellent use towards the end of a game.

I feel the only 'penalty' for using it is loss of flag. One and done in other words.

But I also have to agree in that there have been bad calls throughout the history of sports. Good teams accept it and move onward. Now- whether certain teams and their playing styles are targeted more than other teams....

[WinnipegRaven]

Not a bad idea. Could definitely end up being a game saver on quite a few occasions not to mention save the NFL Refs some face and explaining.

[J-man]

One reason it will never work, it is way to complicated. Remember, it's a sport.

[McBoller]

[quote name='J-man' date='05 November 2009 - 04:06 PM' timestamp='1257455171' post='273839']
One reason it will never work, it is way to complicated. Remember, it's a sport.
[/quote]

Exactly...people, we just need to get over it and neutralize the refs with good, consistent performances. Every team's fans think the refs are out to get them. I bet Denver's fans are convinced moreno did not have posession of the ball b4 ed knocked him out.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='J-man' date='05 November 2009 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1257455171' post='273839']
One reason it will never work, it is way to complicated. Remember, it's a sport.
[/quote]

Im not sure how complicated it would be. Its not that much different from what we already have. It just expands the perameters of what and when you can challenge. Again it would be a one time deal with consequences no matter the outcome. It wouldnt be hard to tweak the idea into something that could in fact make the game more fair by not necessarily leaving some parts of the game in the hands of Refs that do in fact make major mistakes at times.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='McBoller' date='05 November 2009 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1257455823' post='273844']
Exactly...people, we just need to get over it and neutralize the refs with good, consistent performances. Every team's fans think the refs are out to get them. I bet Denver's fans are convinced moreno did not have posession of the ball b4 ed knocked him out.
[/quote]

This has nothing directly to do with the Ravens. It was just an overall thought of how to improve some obvious problems when it comes to the Refs. I agree that a team should not allow themselves to be in a position that allows some bad calls to affect the outcome of a game. Sometimes teams are so evenly matched that one or two bad calls can and have proven to be the deciding factor in the game. I am by no means whinning about any of the recent games the Ravens have played. Just throwing out an idea!

[Ravnet]

No; the NFL should never allow teams to challenge plays in the final two minutes as coaches could/would just throw it whenever to have an extra timeout.

If you want to argue that referees could then penalize coaches if they were using the "black flag" simply for the purpose of stopping the clock, then there would be a controversy on nearly every "black flag."

The fact that losing the "black flag" challenge would mean a loss of all other challenges would be completely meaningless in the final two minutes anyway.

[LilyRaven]

I see your point, but that last thing I want is more flags of any kind. I think the real solution is fewer flags, fewer rules, and subsequently fewer penalties. The NFL has gotten so caught up in regulations that there's more emphasis on that than actually playing the game.

[macbrak]

A better solution to the whole mess might be to let the booth have veto privileges.

[hammer]

[quote name='LilyRaven' date='05 November 2009 - 06:36 PM' timestamp='1257460607' post='273892']
I see your point, but that last thing I want is more flags of any kind. I think the real solution is fewer flags, fewer rules, and subsequently fewer penalties. The NFL has gotten so caught up in regulations that there's more emphasis on that than actually playing the game.
[/quote]

My sentiments exactly. I would have to be a trial lawyer to actually want more regulation in the NFL.

[plesiosaur]

More rules and stoppages of play would be a minus; on the other hand, teams victims of "ticky-tack" yet crucial penalty calls (which seem to have occurred very often so far this season) would benefit.

I suggest the older Black Flag:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjP-0obVcas[/media]

[Shawn`]

No way, its way too hard to tell on the field.

You would have coaches throwing it everytime they feel like they got G'd, which is a lot of times during the game

[Corvus]

I bet Henry Rollins would jump at bein a ref if he were given some BLACK FLAGs to throw...

[Ravens549]

[quote name='LilyRaven' date='05 November 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1257460607' post='273892']
I think the real solution is fewer flags, fewer rules, and subsequently fewer penalties. The NFL has gotten so caught up in regulations that there's more emphasis on that than actually playing the game.
[/quote]
I actually have to agree with this most.

[Reddawn36]

as unserious of a response this might be, they need to go back to olden days..... pretty much if you screw up so much, you get labeled as "corrupt", than hung... or sent to the guillotine

might be some motivation to make the right call..... or force the NFL to find an alternative way than refs...


(serious response)
or at least put in some sort of accountability system in for the refs.. cause obviously right now whatever they have isn't really working... I mean news paper route jobs, if you throw the news paper in the customers lawn or roof, they dock some of your pay, if you miss a house, they dock some of your pay, maybe they should put something in along those lines... or if you screw up X amount of times in the season.. you get demoted/fired

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='05 November 2009 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1257451056' post='273787']
I just posted this idea on the Refs getting penalized topic.
What do you think about my rule and the effect it would have on games?
It would be called the BLACK FLAG rule. This would entitle each team the right to throw a black flag at anytime or any play during the game. This includes the last two minutes of each half. If a team chooses to challenge any play at anytime then this could in fact catch some of the bad or missed calls. The penalty for losing the challenge would be the loss of any other challenges if they were still at your disposal. If all other challenges are used then the penalty for losing the challenge would be perhaps 15 yards and loss of down or something along those lines. I know the idea has some holes but something along these lines would help in those situations where flags should or should not have been thrown. Again this would be a one time challenge.

This was just a thought and I would love some feedback. Be nice now!
[/quote]

Yeah and when the refs go to the review booth, it is actually connected to a big screen tv at Buffalo Wild Wings and he asks us what we think!

[tweety]

Rather than giving coaches more than one flag, how about you make the challenge flag more powerful. Then the game wouldnt be which flag gives us more leverage.

I am more for helping the refs get the calls right than coaches proving the refs wrongs. Have a refs at the camera acting as an extra eye able to call and retract penalties.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='lgcs27288' date='06 November 2009 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1257546746' post='274490']
Yeah and when the refs go to the review booth, it is actually connected to a big screen tv at Buffalo Wild Wings and he asks us what we think!
[/quote]

You are a funny guy!

[JoeFlax]

how about instead of making a black flag, we just repeal the rules that were made earlier about not hitting QB in the legs, pass interference (which, I think the receiver should fight off by himself, unless there's holding or pushing), etc that made the NFL softer..

[Sam]

They should be allowed to challenge any play, call, penalty, etc. Keep the 2 challenge rule - but there is no reason to not let everything be challenged. It would not make the game longer - because again, there would only be 2 challenges per team.

[BloodRaven]

You know how each player has an individual camera that follows what they do? why not assign referees to watch one player each. 22 in total and make judgement calls on who is cheating and who is playing within the rules.


Edit:

Basically unless it effects the play or the safety of a player its not called.