Different Views On Frank Walker

[BRYAN1146]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='29 October 2009 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1256798459' post='267827']
On one side you have our current coach John Harbaugh, former secondary coach for the Eagles (although was probably lucky to work with all-pro/pro bowler types like Dawkins, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis etc)

Soundbites he's given about Walker:

[i]"We've said all along Frank can play"

"Frank, contrary to what some people might think, is a heck of a football player, he's a solid cover corner, he's a good tackler, and he's got a chance to be a good special teams player - and he can run"

“I wanted to give Frank a chance. That was my call all the way. I feel like we need to play the way we need to play, and we’re going to try to put the guys out there that play well enough for us to get the job done. And you know, that’s not a knock on Fabian or Frank or anybody else. I’ve got confidence in Fabian. I know Fabian is a really good player. Just at that point in time, as a coach, you felt like, ‘You know what, I’m going to try something different." [/i]



Then you have Rod Woodson, a HOF cornerback, has records and accolades etc, wears a big Superbowl ring that he won with us...

According to Woodson, the Ravens need to work on fundamentals. He watched in shock as Ravens cornerback Frank Walker lined up against Minnesota receiver Sidney Rice in the final minutes of the fourth quarter.

Woodson said Rice was only 3 to 4 yards off the sideline as he lined up. He said he was surprised when Walker still took the outside position.

[i]"He could only have run a slant, a go or a back-shoulder fade down that sideline, so why do you take the outside?" Woodson asked. "As soon as they snapped the ball, I just said, 'Throw it Brett,' and he threw it on a straight line to Rice for the long catch.

"What was [Walker] doing on that play?" Woodson asked. "As soon as the ball was snapped, Walker bailed and started running. Regardless of blitz zones, spy zones or whatever you want to call them, if you don't have corners who are going to make plays, you're going to get beat."


"Whatever happened to lining up 7 to 8 yards off the line of scrimmage? You play press coverage or whatever, but you hold until you're 12 to 15 to 20 yards off the line of scrimmage before you turn," Woodson said. "Sooner or later, somebody has to be accountable for the poor play, regardless if you're a player, the position coach or the defensive coordinator."[/i]




Ok, now I know Harbaugh doesn't throw players under the bus but it really seems as if he really thinks Frank Walker is a great cornerback.
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I actually like frank walker i mean hes no rolle or mc calister in their younger days , but he did a good job last year and hes a very physical player i think if he didnt get the one penalty in minn. the other week it would have been a touchdown anyway. so whats the difference. to me i would rather see him out their then foxworth or carr.

[mhead66]

[quote name='BRYAN1146' date='30 October 2009 - 07:07 PM' timestamp='1256944038' post='268575']
I actually like frank walker i mean hes no rolle or mc calister in their younger days , but he did a good job last year and hes a very physical player [b]i think if he didnt get the one penalty in minn. the other week it would have been a touchdown anyway[/b]. so whats the difference. to me i would rather see him out their then foxworth or carr.
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Not sure which play you're referring to. Walker drew a 38 yard PI call, and gave up a 58 yard catch, which would have been a 58 yard PI call, if Rice didn't make the catch.

Foxworth > Walker > Carr.

Not saying much - My grandmother is better than Chris Carr...

[bossman419]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='29 October 2009 - 09:29 AM' timestamp='1256822964' post='267890']
So what everyone is saying in a nut shell is that Frank Walker is a taller version of Corey Ivy?
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Corey Ivy was a gamer. Frank Walker is a chump.

The only reason Ivy was so bad was his height. He was a good blitzer and open field tackler. Walker just finds ways to screw up when he's needed.

[ravens rule]

why does harbaugh think frank walker is a good player all he does is screw up wheater its defence or special teams. im sorry but he is just a terrible player from my point of view. he is just a penalty machine. [b]he cant play corner what so ever![/b] he needs to be cut after the season.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='ravens rule' date='30 October 2009 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1256953480' post='268620']
why does harbaugh think frank walker is a good player all he does is screw up wheater its defence or special teams. im sorry but he is just a terrible player from my point of view. he is just a penalty machine. [b]he cant play corner what so ever![/b] he needs to be cut after the season.
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It might be because Frank is a special teams guy, but I think it's because Harbaugh won't insult a player to the media. Rex Ryan was talking about this team and what was Harbaugh's reply to the media? We like Rex and respect him he's a great coach. Jared Allen talks smack on Oher and Harbs says, Well we respect Allen for what he does and he's a great player. Harbaugh is a good stand up guy and knows how to handle the media when they just want to stir up controversy. What's the point of calling Frank out to the media?? Harbaugh is the coach. He can make Frank Walker run suicides all day long duct tape his hands behind his back to teach him how NOT to cause any more pass interference penalties or get in his face and chew him out man to man. Have you seen Harbaugh yell at the refs? Their clean pants go from white to brown in 0.5 seconds.

Harbs doens't talk behind anyone's back when he can yell at them in person.

[macbrak]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' date='30 October 2009 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1256955475' post='268635']
It might be because Frank is a special teams guy, [b]but I think it's because Harbaugh won't insult a player to the media[/b]. Rex Ryan was talking about this team and what was Harbaugh's reply to the media?

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bingo. Walker isn't great but he's been the best available.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='macbrak' date='30 October 2009 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1256955831' post='268636']
bingo. Walker isn't great but he's been the best available.
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Imo no coach in there right mind lines Walker up against a speed guy, blame walker all day but everyone knew before hand what he brings to the table. If we all know you would think the coach sees his flaws.

[hammer]

The only two views anyone has seen of Walker are as follows:

1. Rearview mirror with Walker in hot pursuit of the reciever

2. Looking down on the ground as the reciever runs by

[Alexir]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' date='30 October 2009 - 06:08 PM' timestamp='1256940505' post='268564']
Good point. If Foxworth and Fabian stepped up Frank would see a lot less time and he was put in the game because Fabian got benched! That's when Sidney Rice gave Frank a wink and took a 63 yard catch to set up a field goal that ultimately won them the game.

Our new motto. "Play better so we can keep the gridiron Frank Walker free!".
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hahaha. Frank isn't that bad. its not like he is our field goal kicker who shanked a kick in a dome. i dont care what hash mark it was

[tweety]

Frank Walker isn't a number 2 cornerback and isn't better than Fabian Washington in any situation. Walker isn't consistent enough to start but make a good/average back-up.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='tweety' date='31 October 2009 - 05:17 AM' timestamp='1256980654' post='268711']
Frank Walker isn't a number 2 cornerback and isn't better than Fabian Washington in any situation. Walker isn't consistent enough to start but make a good/average back-up.
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True, but he is the most physical corner we have. I mean he's so physical he starts grabbing people for like 12 penalties a game in pass interference calls. He needs to find the Frank from the AFC championship game because this Frank is not cutting it. He really has the ability to play tough and can hit like a safety. He needs to be smart and make quicker reads. He sees a WR get one step on him and he panics and feels the need to start grabbing people. Track the football, swat down the football, catch the football, or light them up! Get into position and make a play on the ball. He has the power to hit a guy and knock the ball loose. If he had poise and could step up for us when we need it the most he would have taken the starting job from Fabian.

[mhead66]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' date='31 October 2009 - 08:37 AM' timestamp='1256992678' post='268725']
True, but he is the most physical corner we have. I mean he's so physical he starts grabbing people for like 12 penalties a game in pass interference calls. He needs to find the Frank from the AFC championship game because this Frank is not cutting it. He really has the ability to play tough and [size="5"][b]can hit like a safety[/b][/size]. He needs to be smart and make quicker reads. He sees a WR get one step on him and he panics and feels the need to start grabbing people. Track the football, swat down the football, catch the football, or light them up! Get into position and make a play on the ball. He has the power to hit a guy and knock the ball loose. If he had poise and could step up for us when we need it the most he would have taken the starting job from Fabian.
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Exactly.

Frank is fine [b]in a zone[/b], where he can react and drive, using his hitting skills to jar the ball loose. He doesn't have the coverage skills to function in man-to-man.

He'd be a better safety than corner.

[hammer]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' date='31 October 2009 - 08:37 AM' timestamp='1256992678' post='268725']
True, but he is the most physical corner we have. I mean he's so physical he starts grabbing people for like 12 penalties a game in pass interference calls. He needs to find the Frank from the AFC championship game because this Frank is not cutting it. [b]He really has the ability to play tough and can hit like a safety.[/b] He needs to be smart and make quicker reads. He sees a WR get one step on him and he panics and feels the need to start grabbing people. Track the football, swat down the football, catch the football, or light them up! Get into position and make a play on the ball. He has the power to hit a guy and knock the ball loose. If he had poise and could step up for us when we need it the most he would have taken the starting job from Fabian.
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Now this sounds like the "eureka" moment when the candy maker accidently drops chocolate from his table down onto the "peanut butter," Hence the "Reeses Peanut Butter Cup" is discovered!

Yes, Frank Walker has all of the physical and mental atributes to be an incredible NFL SAFETY! He is faster, smarter and hits harder than Dawan Landry! ..........

Anybody got a cell number for Mattison?

[ROH522155]

Am i the only fan left that believes in Frank Walker as a corner?

[hammer]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='01 November 2009 - 12:38 AM' timestamp='1257050298' post='268992']
Am i the only fan left that believes in Frank Walker as a corner?
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Yup,,,,you just might be......sorry.

[Fred Sanford]

The image of Frank being burned and trailing far behind receivers...I don't see it. I see a guy who's extremely good at staying right with receivers, better than anyone we have.

The problem is he doesn't see and doesn't look for the ball. Whenever you throw at him, he'll be right there with the receiver. He'll either blatantly interfere for no good reason (like to slow a guy flying past you), putting his hands all over a guy even though he's in position, OR not interfere, get his hand up, but not knock the ball down. Or, even worse, interfere AND still let the guy catch it.

I don't know what Pagano is doing if Mason is having to provide the guy tips. Pagano should see what we see, coach him to read the ball in the air and COACH ways to get away with little fouls. Instead, you see each of our guys' weaknesses, week after week, year after year.

If you have Frank working 24/7 on playing the ball, we should see improvement. If they are, and he doesn't improve, cut him. If we're not noticing our guys' glaring weaknesses and coaching them, it's horrid coaching. It's a shame because if Frank could just fix his deficiencies, he could be a very good corner. I guess 7th year players or whatever he is are too set in their ways to change.

[hammer]

[quote name='Fred Sanford' date='01 November 2009 - 01:52 AM' timestamp='1257054733' post='269014']
The image of Frank being burned and trailing far behind receivers...I don't see it. I see a guy who's extremely good at staying right with receivers, better than anyone we have.

The problem is he doesn't see and doesn't look for the ball. Whenever you throw at him, he'll be right there with the receiver. He'll either blatantly interfere for no good reason (like to slow a guy flying past you), putting his hands all over a guy even though he's in position, OR not interfere, get his hand up, but not knock the ball down. Or, even worse, interfere AND still let the guy catch it.

I don't know what Pagano is doing if Mason is having to provide the guy tips. Pagano should see what we see, coach him to read the ball in the air and COACH ways to get away with little fouls. Instead, you see each of our guys' weaknesses, week after week, year after year.

If you have Frank working 24/7 on playing the ball, we should see improvement. If they are, and he doesn't improve, cut him. If we're not noticing our guys' glaring weaknesses and coaching them, it's horrid coaching. It's a shame because if Frank could just fix his deficiencies, he could be a very good corner. I guess 7th year players or whatever he is are too set in their ways to change.
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Frank Walker is a SAFETY!

[BloodRaven]

Just because he's aggressive that doesn't automatically make him a safety, he's still only 5'10" and 200lb soaking wet. Those holding/pass interference penalties would just become helmet to helmet and horse collars. He's a human walking penalty.

[Purple Nurple]

.....and he's inactive today.

[BloodRaven]

Heathy scratch?