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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1256749748' post='267527']
You are 3rd in your division, behind by 2 wins. And both teams above you have an easier (in my opinion) schedule than you do. Cincinnati beat you at home, so you have to play them at their house now, meaning it is likely they beat you again. Assuming you split with Pittsburgh. i see only 4 other games that are gimme's for you.
Pittsburgh has 5 gimmes. Cincinnati has 5 gimmes.

Obviously, anything can happen, and you're not mathematically eliminated. But you've got a long road, so your best bet is to hope for the 2nd wildcard (assuming Cin or Pit has the other one). All assumptions, and all just opinion. But I think you're all but out of your division race. And I've given reason why, all without calling you names or personal insults . . . try it sometime.
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Behind by two games? Prehaps thats because we've played 1 less game than Pitt and Cinci. If the Ravens win Sunday, they will be one game back of Pitt and Cinci, with 1 game vs. Cinci left and 2 games vs. Pitt. They are not mathematically eliminated and its not even a long road ahead. They still very much control their own destiny and they dont have to depend on anyone else to lose to make it happen. They just to have to win and they are perfectly capable of doing that but dont take my word for it you'll find out soon enough.

And @ Cinci is not an automatic loss just because its an away game. Joe Flacco has a very good road record in his short career.

The only game left on the schedule that looks to be a real uphill battle for us is the game vs Indy. They've had our number the last few years. Just like I am assuming your counting Cle as a gimmie win for Cinci. You need to check again, it doesnt matter what their records are they've split, I believe it is 4 years in a row now and Cinci didnt exactly blow the socks of Cle the first time they've played.

I am a firm believer in any given sunday. I believe the Ravens can line up and beat any team in the NFL right now. Anybody who's actually watched them play would know why.
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[quote name='raven112657' date='28 October 2009 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1256750389' post='267532']
I second that. I bet he is a kid. If he does not leave - ignore him and he will go away. Try the Denver message boards and get a life. Denver scares no one here.
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Says the guy with 9 posts who joined yesterday?? Nice . . . .

Hey, if you think I'm being a troll, then report me. Trolling is against your code of conduct, and if I'm doing it, I'll get booted.

But I'm not trolling, I'm not breaking any of your rules. So please, take your own advice and ignore me if you don't like my opinions.
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[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='28 October 2009 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1256749721' post='267526']
Do you watch the games? Ed Reed is in instinctive player and that gets him in trouble some times. That doesn't make him any better or worse of a player. Favre and Rivers both got reed out of position with pump fakes and by looking him off. You can't really fault Ed because that is how he has played his whole career. Unfortunately, the pass rush is lacking, so QBs have plenty of time to manipulate the secondary, including Reed, and make any throw they want. Some clowns just can't look at the facts.
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And the fact is what exactly? The only fact I see is that Reed is the only one in the secondary who is making plays. But hey, it's cool. That's why we're not running this team. If we were, we'd be benching Reed because he's a liability.
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[quote name='raven112657' date='28 October 2009 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1256750389' post='267532']
Denver scares no one here.
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Denver apparently doesn't scare anyone. The only game so far this year where the Broncos weren't underdogs was the Raiders game, and the line changed just before the game. The whole week leading up to it the Raiders were still the favored team.

I'm loving it though. The Broncos are still underrated even at 6-0. Everybody keeps on doubting while the Broncos keep on winning. I don't see things changing anytime soon.
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1256750453' post='267533']
Oakland, Philly is an interesting point. I still think Philly is the most overrated team in the league. Look at the Monday night game. Take away 2 stupid turnovers (not forced ones, just completely given away) and the 10 points they led to. And take away just one of the 2 big plays that never should have happened and even Washington beats Philly.
Oakland has a lot of talent, they just have really lousy coaching. During the Philly game, the coaching got out of the way and let the players play.

But the point is taken. Although, there's a Big difference between "gimme" before the season even starts, and a "gimme" after 6 games when we at least have some indication of a team's talent level.

[b]Still, I don't know why ya'll are getting so upset. It's not like I'm the only guy in history who every made an early prediction. If I predicted that you'd win out while Cinci and Pittsburgh were exposed as frauds noone would have a problem with it. You're just ticked that I don't see a division championship for you.[/b]
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Your entire post was fine until that last section. That tells me that you are just trying to pick fights and argue. I simply made a point about there being no "gimmies" in the NFL and you turned it into me being ticked about you not seeing a division championship with the Ravens. C'mon man, you are not here to talk football.
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1256750111' post='267531']
Well, the Bengals got several sacks and quite a bit of pressure at times. Oakland . . .next. The Cowboys, not so much. Patriots, not much. SD, at times.

We definitely have one of the top 3 O-lines for pass protecting, but on the other hand Orton is awfully slow, and has next to no mobility. If you've got someone really quick, or some stunts that we don't pick up, you might get pressure. But just a head on bullrush won't do it.
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That's why the Bengals kept the game close. Both teams dominated each other defensively for 3 quarters and then Cincy put together a good scoring drive in the 4th quarter. When it looked like they had won the game, the Broncos got a gift from the heavens.

I know the Broncos have good tackles but is the interior o-line good?
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1256750453' post='267533']
Oakland, Philly is an interesting point. I still think Philly is the most overrated team in the league. Look at the Monday night game. Take away 2 stupid turnovers (not forced ones, just completely given away) and the 10 points they led to. And take away just one of the 2 big plays that never should have happened and even Washington beats Philly.
Oakland has a lot of talent, they just have really lousy coaching. During the Philly game, the coaching got out of the way and let the players play.

[b]But the point is taken. Although, there's a Big difference between "gimme" before the season even starts, and a "gimme" after 6 games when we at least have some indication of a team's talent level.[/b]

Still, I don't know why ya'll are getting so upset. It's not like I'm the only guy in history who every made an early prediction. If I predicted that you'd win out while Cinci and Pittsburgh were exposed as frauds noone would have a problem with it. You're just ticked that I don't see a division championship for you.
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Its interesting that you say that, when history proves otherwise. You count the Ravens out after only 6 games assuming that they cant come back and win the division, yet last season, we saw not 1 but 2 teams get off to a very hot start, your very own Bronco's had what a 3 game lead in the division, and the Bills started like 5-0 as well and both teams collapsed and missed the playoffs.

In 07, the Ravens started the season at 4-2 and went on to finsih the season at 5-11. Anybody who actually watched the team play in those 4 wins could have seen a that collapse coming.

I guess my point is, you dont know anything about what any team is capable of until its all said and done. Especially, if your only basis for judging those teams is based on records and not actually watching the games being played. I've refrained from judging the Bronco's in general because I've only seen bits and pieces of two games they played.
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1256750563' post='267534']
Behind by two games? Prehaps thats because we've played 1 less game than Pitt and Cinci. If the Ravens win Sunday, they will be one game back of Pitt and Cinci, with 1 game vs. Cinci left and 2 games vs. Pitt. They are not mathematically eliminated and its not even a long road ahead. They still very much control their own destiny and they dont have to depend on anyone else to lose to make it happen. They just to have to win and they are perfectly capable of doing that but dont take my word for it you'll find out soon enough.

And @ Cinci is not an automatic loss just because its an away game. Joe Flacco has a very good road record in his short career.

The only game left on the schedule that looks to be a real uphill battle for us is the game vs Indy. They've had our number the last few years. Just like I am assuming your counting Cle as a gimmie win for Cinci. You need to check again, it doesnt matter what their records are they've split, I believe it is 4 years in a row now and Cinci didnt exactly blow the socks of Cle the first time they've played.

I am a firm believer in any given sunday. I believe the Ravens can line up and beat any team in the NFL right now. Anybody who's actually watched them play would know why.
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Ah, but if you lose on Sunday like I think is going to happen, you are behind by 2 games. That was my premise.

You could be right, and Baltimore might shake of 3 losses in a row, and win out. But realistically, I don't see it. I see losses to Denver, @Cin, Indy, @Pitt. That leaves you with a 9-7 record and a shot at the wildcard.

Keep believing in your team, I'm not telling you you can't. I'm just giving my opinion as a response to what was said by your fans. I didn't start this discussion.
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[quote name='flynismo' date='28 October 2009 - 01:25 PM' timestamp='1256750700' post='267537']
[b]And the fact is what exactly?[/b] The only fact I see is that Reed is the only one in the secondary who is making plays. But hey, it's cool. That's why we're not running this team. If we were, we'd be benching Reed because he's a liability.
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The fact is that Ed Reed gambles a lot. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't. A good pass rush usually helps Reed because if he guesses wrong, the QB doesn't have time to exploit it. I really don't see how you can disagree with that or call me a clown for stating that. I am not "bashing Reed" or "calling for his head", just stating the type of player Ed is.
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[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='28 October 2009 - 11:28 AM' timestamp='1256750936' post='267539']
Your entire post was fine until that last section. That tells me that you are just trying to pick fights and argue. I simply made a point about there being no "gimmies" in the NFL and you turned it into me being ticked about you not seeing a division championship with the Ravens. C'mon man, you are not here to talk football.
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That last section wasn't directly addressed at you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was directed at the other 2 guys who keep trying to attach labels to me. I can delete that part of the post if you like.
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:34 PM' timestamp='1256751255' post='267547']
Ah, but if you lose on Sunday like I think is going to happen, you are behind by 2 games. That was my premise.

You could be right, and Baltimore might shake of 3 losses in a row, and win out. But realistically, I don't see it. I see losses to Denver, @Cin, Indy, @Pitt. That leaves you with a 9-7 record and a shot at the wildcard.

Keep believing in your team, I'm not telling you you can't. I'm just giving my opinion as a response to what was said by your fans. I didn't start this discussion.
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Well, we have a very different opinion on that, which is fine. I think the Ravens win and I think we win convincingly but we will see.

I dont think we sweep Pitt. And I am nervous about Indy but I am very confident that we can and will win both vs. the Broncos and @ Cinci.

What makes you think that your opinion about my confidence in the Ravens would mean anything to me? If you havent already noticed, what you think about them has no impact on my opinion of them. Your nobody, sweety.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 11:29 AM' timestamp='1256750983' post='267542']
That's why the Bengals kept the game close. Both teams dominated each other defensively for 3 quarters and then Cincy put together a good scoring drive in the 4th quarter. When it looked like they had won the game, the Broncos got a gift from the heavens.

I know the Broncos have good tackles but is the interior o-line good?
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Definitely. Ben Hamilton (LG) is a veteran who's been one of the few Constants for years. Casey Wiegmann (C) was acquired from Kansas City. He's a 14 yr veteran who's played every down of every game since 2001 -- the longest active streak in the NFL. And Chris Kuper (RG) a 4th year player who didn't allow a sack all of last year (the only starting guard in the NFL who managed that).
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[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='28 October 2009 - 10:11 AM' timestamp='1256749868' post='267529']
Go Away Troll!
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It's responses like these that get threads way off topic. If you don't want to listen to what he says, put him on ignore, or just don't respond. The last thread got shut down, lets try to keep this one up and running.
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1256750563' post='267534']

I am a firm believer in any given sunday. I believe the Ravens can line up and beat any team in the NFL right now. Anybody who's actually watched them play would know why.
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Right on, Neeps
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 10:41 AM' timestamp='1256751666' post='267554']
Well, we have a very different opinion on that, which is fine. [b]I think the Ravens win and I think we win convincingly but we will see.[/b]

I dont think we sweep Pitt. And I am nervous about Indy but I am very confident that we can and will win both vs. the Broncos and @ Cinci.

What makes you think that your opinion about my confidence in the Ravens would mean anything to me? If you havent already noticed, what you think about them has no impact on my opinion of them. Your nobody, sweety.
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Why do you think you win by a large margin, if that is what you mean? I'm actually curious, not trying to pick a fight.
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1256751666' post='267554']
Well, we have a very different opinion on that, which is fine. I think the Ravens win and I think we win convincingly but we will see.

I dont think we sweep Pitt. And I am nervous about Indy but I am very confident that we can and will win both vs. the Broncos and @ Cinci.

What makes you think that your opinion about my confidence in the Ravens would mean anything to me? If you havent already noticed, what you think about them has no impact on my opinion of them. Your nobody, sweety.
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I could be wrong, I've been wrong a lot in the past.

As to my opinions, I didn't think they would mean anything to you, but you're the one who keeps replying to them, indicating it must mean something.

Ignore me, and I wouldn't have said any of this. I wouldn't mind a bit. I'm enjoying my other discussion with Ed.
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[quote name='Orange&Blue19' date='28 October 2009 - 01:43 PM' timestamp='1256751794' post='267557']
It's responses like these that get threads way off topic. If you don't want to listen to what he says, put him on ignore, or just don't respond. The last thread got shut down, lets try to keep this one up and running.
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You forget that this is my home forum. I have a right to see what foolishness is being said about my team. I dont have a problem with well thought out comments or observations about football. If your going to continue to throw out meaningless crap to piss me off then I will consider that being a TROLL! If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesnt fit your bill, stay out of it.
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:37 PM' timestamp='1256751422' post='267550']
That last section wasn't directly addressed at you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was directed at the other 2 guys who keep trying to attach labels to me. I can delete that part of the post if you like.
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Why because we've exposed you for what you are? You dont think the Ravens will win it all, get in line. Its not your opinion thats rubbing people the wrong way around here. Like I already told you, its your attitude. You've got this higher than thou attitude and frankly I dont respond well to being talked down to. And thats the tone your post have taken on. If you were a little more respectable, you might not have such a hard time.
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1256751666' post='267554']
Well, we have a very different opinion on that, which is fine. I think the Ravens win and I think we win convincingly but we will see.

[b]I dont think we sweep Pitt.[/b] And I am nervous about Indy but I am very confident that we can and will win both vs. the Broncos and @ Cinci.

What makes you think that your opinion about my confidence in the Ravens would mean anything to me? If you havent already noticed, what you think about them has no impact on my opinion of them. Your nobody, sweety.
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I think we do sweep Pitt. The football god owes us one. It's ok, you can admit it here among friends, he exists. He exists.

:bowdownsmiley: > football god
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[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='28 October 2009 - 11:55 AM' timestamp='1256752509' post='267567']
This Sunday is taking waaaaaaaaaay too long to arrive.
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Absolutely no disagreement on that point at all!
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1256752661' post='267569']
Absolutely no disagreement on that point at all!
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You see? It's easy to get along when you really try! :)
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[quote name='Orange&Blue19' date='28 October 2009 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1256751913' post='267559']
Why do you think you win by a large margin, if that is what you mean? I'm actually curious, not trying to pick a fight.
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Not by a large margin, but I think the Ravens will control this game. I think Sam Koch is a better punter than Mitch Berger, infact I know thats true. I think he'll be very effective at pinning your offense deep, which at home is a big advantage for our defense.

I dont believe Kyle Orton is the type of QB that we will struggle against. We struggle against elite QB's, Favre, Rivers, Palmer, Brady, etc. Like I said, I havent watched much of the Bronco's but from what I have actually watched of Orton, I dont think he has the ability to shred our D, like they did.

I also dont think you have the running game to really break our defense. Benson was the 3rd best rusher in the NFL going into the game vs. Cinci and AP, is well AP and he's number 1. Our run defense is still very good and Moreno and Buckhulter will have a very hard time getting it going on the ground against us.

On offense it really depends on our game plan. Cam is kind of all over the place when it comes to that. But I think if we can remain balanced, dont allow the Broncos to take away one phase of our game, we will be able to move the ball and win t.o.p. You havent faced a team this year with the trio of running backs that we have. McGahee has struggled as of late but he scored 7 times in the first 4 games, thats not a fluke. Ray Rice has been lights out all season. McClain although, he hasnt seen many carries this year, was a pro bowler last year and is still a very dangerous weapon for us. They all bring something different to the table and if we can get any combination of them going, the Bronco's will have a very hard time shutting our offense down.
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[quote name='Mick0311' date='28 October 2009 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1256752295' post='267563']
I think we do sweep Pitt. The football god owes us one. It's ok, you can admit it here among friends, he exists. He exists.

:bowdownsmiley: > football god
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Wouldnt it be really great payback if we could knock them out of the playoff hunt week 16? That'd be sweet.

But nevermind that. The task at hand is the Denver ponies.
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I think Webb is going to bust a kick return soon, perhaps in the Denver game. Carr sure was a bust. The D needs to get it's mojo back. Hope it starts this Sunday.
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 11:01 AM' timestamp='1256752877' post='267572']
Not by a large margin, but I think the Ravens will control this game. I think Sam Koch is a better punter than Mitch Berger, infact I know thats true. I think he'll be very effective at pinning your offense deep, which at home is a big advantage for our defense.

I dont believe Kyle Orton is the type of QB that we will struggle against. We struggle against elite QB's, Favre, Rivers, Palmer, Brady, etc. Like I said, I havent watched much of the Bronco's but from what I have actually watched of Orton, I dont think he has the ability to shred our D, like they did.

I also dont think you have the running game to really break our defense. Benson was the 3rd best rusher in the NFL going into the game vs. Cinci and AP, is well AP and he's number 1. Our run defense is still very good and Moreno and Buckhulter will have a very hard time getting it going on the ground against us.

On offense it really depends on our game plan. Cam is kind of all over the place when it comes to that. But I think if we can remain balanced, dont allow the Broncos to take away one phase of our game, we will be able to move the ball and win t.o.p. You havent faced a team this year with the trio of running backs that we have. McGahee has struggled as of late but he scored 7 times in the first 4 games, thats not a fluke. Ray Rice has been lights out all season. McClain although, he hasnt seen many carries this year, was a pro bowler last year and is still a very dangerous weapon for us. They all bring something different to the table and if we can get any combination of them going, the Bronco's will have a very hard time shutting our offense down.
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Can't disagree with the punter, all I know about Berger is he is old, and that is about it. I have no doubt your punter will probably pin us deep a few times, but if Eddie has room to run on a punt, he may break a big one and give us field position. Orton had a 92 and 98 yard drive in the Pats game, granted we were home and not away. He really isn't as bad as people make him out to be, he won't shred a defense, no, but he will make smart decisions that will get us first downs. Containing your run game doesn't scare me as much as containing rice in the screen, short pass game.

Either way, I think it will be a close game, doubt it is very high scoring, I don't think either team scores about 27. I'll give my team the edge though, but I have watched almost all the Ravens games this year, and I know you guys aren't a 3-3 team at all.
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[quote name='raven112657' date='28 October 2009 - 02:11 PM' timestamp='1256753494' post='267578']
I think Webb is going to bust a kick return soon, perhaps in the Denver game. Carr sure was a bust. The D needs to get it's mojo back. Hope it starts this Sunday.
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Right now I would just settle for them getting back to the basics. Better tackling, more discipline, limit the stupid penalties at crucial times... Is it so much to ask?
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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:42 PM' timestamp='1256751779' post='267556']
Definitely. Ben Hamilton (LG) is a veteran who's been one of the few Constants for years. Casey Wiegmann (C) was acquired from Kansas City. He's a 14 yr veteran who's played every down of every game since 2001 -- the longest active streak in the NFL. And Chris Kuper (RG) a 4th year player who didn't allow a sack all of last year (the only starting guard in the NFL who managed that).
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Impressive. We'll see how they handle Ngata, Gregg, Bannan, Edwards and McKinney. I'll be the first to admit the interior pass rush has been lacking and that's why all four guys have had to rotate alongside Ngata but it's only a matter of time before pockets start collapsing.

[quote name='raven112657' date='28 October 2009 - 02:11 PM' timestamp='1256753494' post='267578']
I think Webb is going to bust a kick return soon, perhaps in the Denver game. Carr sure was a bust. The D needs to get it's mojo back. Hope it starts this Sunday.
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I agree. Webb came close to break several kicks against the Vikings. He's got the explosion to eat up chunks of yards regardless of the hole.

I'm really interested to see who returns punts. Carr is garbage, Reed has occasional ball security issues. Zibikowski or Nakamura should be doing it but they aren't very high on the waiting list.
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[quote name='Orange&Blue19' date='28 October 2009 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1256753552' post='267579']
Can't disagree with the punter, all I know about Berger is he is old, and that is about it. I have no doubt your punter will probably pin us deep a few times, but if Eddie has room to run on a punt, he may break a big one and give us field position. Orton had a 92 and 98 yard drive in the Pats game, granted we were home and not away. He really isn't as bad as people make him out to be, he won't shred a defense, no, but he will make smart decisions that will get us first downs. Containing your run game doesn't scare me as much as containing rice in the screen, short pass game.

Either way, I think it will be a close game, doubt it is very high scoring, I don't think either team scores about 27. I'll give my team the edge though, but I have watched almost all the Ravens games this year, and I you guys aren't a 3-3 team at all.
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The thing with Koch and our gunners is they dont always give you the opportunity for a return. If our offense fails to move the ball, you'll definitly get a shot at breaking one but if the Ravens O can move the ball and maintain good field position, Koch isnt going to give Royal very many opportunities.

The one thing on ST, that I am sure you guys do have an edge on is that our kicker is lousy. Part of the reason I think the Ravens are going to come out and really try to control this game and put it away early is because they have to. If it comes down to a last second field goal to win, as we saw @ Minn., we lose.

I dont think Orton is a bad QB, I said before that I just dont see him as more than a game manager and I think he gets bailed out by his wideouts alot. But I've already admitted that I havent seen much of him this season.
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[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 11:26 AM' timestamp='1256754380' post='267593']
The thing with Koch and our gunners is they dont always give you the opportunity for a return. If our offense fails to move the ball, you'll definitly get a shot at breaking one but if the Ravens O can move the ball and maintain good field position, Koch isnt going to give Royal very many opportunities.

[b]The one thing on ST, that I am sure you guys do have an edge on is that our kicker is lousy.[/b] Part of the reason I think the Ravens are going to come out and really try to control this game and put it away early is because they have to. If it comes down to a last second field goal to win, as we saw @ Minn., we lose.

I dont think Orton is a bad QB, I said before that I just dont see him as more than a game manager and I think he gets bailed out by his wideouts alot. But I've already admitted that I havent seen much of him this season.
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I don't know about that one. Prater definitely has one of the best legs out there, however, his accuracy is not so good. He misses a lot, thankfully hasn't cost us a game yet, but last year, he missed 2 PAT's in a row, IN A HUGE game. So, if he is on, he can hit 55 yard FGs with ease, however if he has confidence issues, then he can miss 20 yard FGs by 10 feet
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