Merged: The Undefeated Broncos - Attempt 2

[neepo13]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 12:40 AM' timestamp='1256704842' post='267289']
Sorry you don't like my attitude, but it is what it is. I'm not expecting to make any friends, and I really don't care to. I came here to talk football, to learn about the upcoming team, and maybe to rub in 6-0 just a little bit.

I don't deny that I'm saying you're not going to win. I'm not going to tread on eggshells to say it. And I'm not going to worry about offending people so long as I don't do it intentionally, and I take reasonable precautions to ensure my opinions are backed by fact. Anything further than that, is not my problem.

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1) Your not here to learn anything about our team. Judging by your posts you already know everything, you want to know and you dont need us to tell you anything because you think already know.

2) If thats your attitude you really shouldnt get upset when you get met with hostility. And your not going to be taken very seriously around here. We dont like trolls, it doesnt matter who they are or what they claim to here for. You my friend are a troll.

3) I hope your here to eat crow, when the Ravens hand the Bronco's their first loss of the season.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 08:37 AM' timestamp='1256733465' post='267362']
1) Your not here to learn anything about our team. Judging by your posts you already know everything, you want to know and you dont need us to tell you anything because you think already know.

2) If thats your attitude you really shouldnt get upset when you get met with hostility. And your not going to be taken very seriously around here. We dont like trolls, it doesnt matter who they are or what they claim to here for. You my friend are a troll.

3) I hope your here to eat crow, when the Ravens hand the Bronco's their first loss of the season.
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I just spent the past few hours going back over all the posts from the past week or so regarding the Broncos game. I think the same 3 or 4 (trolls) keep coming back under different user names. Its a joke. They all have the same flavor if you know what I mean.

Anyway, Im getting more and more excited as the week goes on. This truly will be a tough game but I think we should be ready for them. (4 days and 4 hours)

[raven112657]

Is anybody else tired of reading these Bronco fan posts? Please go away.

I read their message boards and they think this game will be easy. They also complain about no respect and cry about the 3 pt point spread.

The Ravens need to play as a team and the Broncos go down. Then the Squeelers hammer them and they go 6-2. Come back to the boards on Monday unless you will be crying in your orange cool aid.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='28 October 2009 - 08:53 AM' timestamp='1256734393' post='267367']
I just spent the past few hours going back over all the posts from the past week or so regarding the Broncos game. I think the same 3 or 4 (trolls) keep coming back under different user names. Its a joke. They all have the same flavor if you know what I mean.

Anyway, Im getting more and more excited as the week goes on. This truly will be a tough game but I think we should be ready for them. (4 days and 4 hours)
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There is only 1 that I have seen so far that came here for a valid reason and was genuinly not here to start something. And its only because he wanted stadium information.

I cant wait for Sunday. I have a really good feeling about this game. A feeling that I havent had for a few weeks now. I expect to be Bronco troll free by Sunday afternoon, the ones that talk the most trash never come back after they lose.

[neepo13]

[quote name='raven112657' date='28 October 2009 - 09:04 AM' timestamp='1256735061' post='267372']
Is anybody else tired of reading these Bronco fan posts? Please go away.

I read their message boards and they think this game will be easy. They also complain about no respect and cry about the 3 pt point spread.

The Ravens need to play as a team and the Broncos go down. Then the Squeelers hammer them and they go 6-2. Come back to the boards on Monday unless you will be crying in your orange cool aid.
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Your post just reminded me of something. Didnt the Bronco's get off to a hot start last season? They started the season like 5-0 or something last season, and then had that major collapse, and missed the playoffs at 8-8?

Meanwhile the Ravens struggled to start the season, at one point losing 3 straight games but bounced back and ended the season at 11-5 and then went on to advance to the AFC Championship game. Oh the irony...

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

Agreed about a good feeling for us this Sunday. I just dont see us dropping to 3-4. We did struggle the same way last year and rebounded very well. I expect the same to happen this year. We just need to get the monkey off our backs. Once we do that we should be able to get a roll on.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Im tired of the Bronco BS. I dont mind the ones that have resonable discussions. But the ones whos opinion is the "only opinion" gets old. I wouldnt be suprised to see them fall apart this year as they did last year. It would be a nice rub in the face to the recent trolls.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='shaikh015' date='27 October 2009 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1256702274' post='267272']
If Ed is being a wing man cover for the corners then he may not be able to ball hawk during the game..If Ed is able free float like he does then he can sense were the ball is being thrown and that is the way he gets a picks 6..
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Ed free floating and gambling is also one of the reasons we give up so many big plays. He guesses right a lot, but QBs are really using him this year. Favre and Rivers both manipulated reed a couple of times with their eyes and with pump fakes. I think Reed jumped at every out-route against SD. We have to have really great one-on-one corners or a great pass rush in order to let Reed free lance. Right now we have neither.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='28 October 2009 - 11:16 AM' timestamp='1256742981' post='267420']
Ed free floating and gambling is also one of the reasons we give up so many big plays. He guesses right a lot, but QBs are really using him this year. Favre and Rivers both manipulated reed a couple of times with their eyes and with pump fakes. I think Reed jumped at every out-route against SD. We have to have really great one-on-one corners or a great pass rush in order to let Reed free lance. Right now we have neither.
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I was just going to say that. Not only does Reed freelance but he can taken out position with pump fakes and or simply by the QB looking off his first read. I don't know what type of gameplan Mattison will come up with but I personally believe bracket coverage is the best way to go.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 07:19 AM' timestamp='1256735974' post='267376']
Your post just reminded me of something. Didnt the Bronco's get off to a hot start last season? They started the season like 5-0 or something last season, and then had that major collapse, and missed the playoffs at 8-8?

Meanwhile the Ravens struggled to start the season, at one point losing 3 straight games but bounced back and ended the season at 11-5 and then went on to advance to the AFC Championship game. Oh the irony...
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Different year, different team, different coaches, different scheme, different chemistry. Last year's epic meltdown has no relevance to this year's team at all.

Our 2 big problems last year was #1 - Terrible Defense. #2 - The same problems showing up every week and never being corrected.

This year, Great defense. And every problem that showed one week, has disappeared the next.

You keep hoping for a repeat of last year, because frankly, that's about all you have to hope for. You're all but out of your division race, so hope for a wildcard. (And I really hope you get it, because there's nothing I'd love more than you to take it from the Chargers)

As for your "troll" theories. Look at the join dates, I've was here while Crash and Broncos Division were, we can't be the same people. You're still just whining because you don't like what I'm saying and are trying to "scare" me away. It won't work. I'm not breaking any rules, and I'm talking football not insulting other people.
You, on the other hand, persist in posting about me . . . that's not the topic here.

[flynismo]

You know, it is absolutely hilarious....
We have always spoken about the GREAT Ed Reed with the respect that a man like him deserves. Arguably the greatest safety of all time.

And ever since NFL Playbook showed how Ed jumped a route against San Diego (on the play Jackson caught a TD pass with 3 defenders around him), now everyone is critical of him. A few of you clowns even suggested he is a liability to our team.

Now after we whoop Denver, I'll bet everyone will be back to singing his praises.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='28 October 2009 - 02:45 AM' timestamp='1256719557' post='267351']
Interesting post. I wouldn't count on your defense shutting down our offense or not conceding any 2nd half points though, we've lost three painfully in a row, expect major backlash!
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Quite possible. Frankly, I'm quite astounded that we've done so well in the 2nd half for the whole year. At this point I have to assume it's a trend, not a fluke. So the trend can be broken at any time.
But even if you do score in the 2nd, I don't think you'll score as much as in the first.


Who was it talking about Rice's receptions? I haven't checked that stat. Does Rice catch a lot out of the backfield? If so, that is something to worry about. Screens and RB catches have been one of the few problems we've had this year.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 09:28 AM' timestamp='1256743727' post='267430']
I was just going to say that. Not only does Reed freelance but he can taken out position with pump fakes and or simply by the QB looking off his first read. I don't know what type of gameplan Mattison will come up with but I personally believe bracket coverage is the best way to go.
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Could you explain "Bracket Coverage" to me? That's a term I don't hear much in the West. Is it just another name for zone?

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='flynismo' date='28 October 2009 - 11:09 AM' timestamp='1256746178' post='267469']
You know, it is absolutely hilarious....
We have always spoken about the GREAT Ed Reed with the respect that a man like him deserves. Arguably the greatest safety of all time.

And ever since NFL Playbook showed how Ed jumped a route against San Diego (on the play Jackson caught a TD pass with 3 defenders around him), now everyone is critical of him. A few of you clowns even suggested he is a liability to our team.

Now after we whoop Denver, I'll bet everyone will be back to singing his praises.
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Yeah that kinda confuses me too. I'll admit that maybe ED should "stay home" a little more given that Foxworth is struggeling and definitely when Walker or Carr are on the field,but ED is an instinctive football player, just like Ray. Sometimes his instincts are wrong, but when they are right it's usually 6 points for the Ravens.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1256746429' post='267474']
Could you explain "Bracket Coverage" to me? That's a term I don't hear much in the West. Is it just another name for zone?
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It's a form of zone but it's used to shut down individual receivers. The corner takes away the short routes even though he stays with his man and the safety provides help over the top.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 10:21 AM' timestamp='1256746886' post='267479']
It's a form of zone but it's used to shut down individual receivers. The corner takes away the short routes even though he stays with his man and the safety provides help over the top.
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So it's kind of a front court/back court situation? Corner on the man, but underneath while the Safety shadows deeper? Sounds like double coverage but the Safety isn't completely committed.

I can see Foxworth doing better in that kind of system where he only has to worry about short, not long. But if you have the other WR go deep, doesn't the safety have to break off from the short routes, leaving someone open?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 12:06 PM' timestamp='1256745968' post='267464']
Different year, different team, different coaches, different scheme, different chemistry. Last year's epic meltdown has no relevance to this year's team at all.

Our 2 big problems last year was #1 - Terrible Defense. #2 - The same problems showing up every week and never being corrected.

This year, Great defense. And every problem that showed one week, has disappeared the next.

You keep hoping for a repeat of last year, because frankly, that's about all you have to hope for. You're all but out of your division race, so hope for a wildcard. (And I really hope you get it, because there's nothing I'd love more than you to take it from the Chargers)

As for your "troll" theories. Look at the join dates, I've was here while Crash and Broncos Division were, we can't be the same people. You're still just whining because you don't like what I'm saying and are trying to "scare" me away. It won't work. I'm not breaking any rules, and I'm talking football not insulting other people.
You, on the other hand, persist in posting about me . . . that's not the topic here.
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LMAO. Keep showing your ignorance. We've got 4 of 6 division games left to be played. We are not out of any damn thing.

Trolls dont get respect around here. I thought I already told you that. And every time you post something you think you know about the Ravens, you prove me right again.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1256747835' post='267488']
So it's kind of a front court/back court situation? Corner on the man, but underneath while the Safety shadows deeper? Sounds like double coverage but the Safety isn't completely committed.

I can see Foxworth doing better in that kind of system where he only has to worry about short, not long. But if you have the other WR go deep, doesn't the safety have to break off from the short routes, leaving someone open?
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Yep. Double coverage is basically what is but with stricter responsibilities.

Foxworth has given up some big plays but he's shown good ball skills at times. I believe he can cover Marshall one-on-one but his size and ability to get YACs pose serious problems.

Of course you can beat bracket coverage by going to other options but it's really a moot point. I really don't see Mattison going with that type of gameplan. The corners will simply have to step up.

[neepo13]

[quote name='flynismo' date='28 October 2009 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1256746178' post='267469']
You know, it is absolutely hilarious....
We have always spoken about the GREAT Ed Reed with the respect that a man like him deserves. Arguably the greatest safety of all time.

And ever since NFL Playbook showed how Ed jumped a route against San Diego (on the play Jackson caught a TD pass with 3 defenders around him), now everyone is critical of him. A few of you clowns even suggested he is a liability to our team.

Now after we whoop Denver, I'll bet everyone will be back to singing his praises.
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I dont know about him being a liability but its not a new problem for Reed. He made Samari Rolle look really bad a few years ago. He needs to stay home and not gamble so much atleast until the other db's get on the same page.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 12:46 PM' timestamp='1256748375' post='267500']
I dont know about him being a liability but its not a new problem for Reed. He made Samari Rolle look really bad a few years ago. He needs to stay home and not gamble so much atleast until the other db's get on the same page.
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I think Reed has made Foxworth look bad times this year. Reed plays center-field seemingly all the time. Getting a jump on a play is fine but I truly believe a number of the long completions the corners have surrendered wouldn't have happened had Reed stayed home.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1256748332' post='267499']
Yep. Double coverage is basically what is but with stricter responsibilities.

Foxworth has given up some big plays but he's shown good ball skills at times. I believe he can cover Marshall one-on-one but his size and ability to get YACs pose serious problems.

Of course you can beat bracket coverage by going to other options but it's really a moot point. I really don't see Mattison going with that type of gameplan. The corners will simply have to step up.
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I'm wondering if this isn't the game where we try to draw all the attention to Marshall, and finally get Royal open. He hasn't got much production this year, but not because he isn't open. And Stokley is always the big third down threat.

So how will the Raven's coverage look if we've got Marshall and Royal split out, Stokely in the slot, Scheffler at TE blocking but breaking late? That will be 4 receivers, and possibly the RB if there is not blitz.

[flynismo]

[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 12:46 PM' timestamp='1256748375' post='267500']
I dont know about him being a liability but its not a new problem for Reed. He made Samari Rolle look really bad a few years ago. He needs to stay home and not gamble so much atleast until the other db's get on the same page.
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I understand that his freelancing has always been a risky proposition, I just find it amusing that all it takes is a three game losing streak and a highlight reel for some of these guys to start calling for Reed's head....shame shame...

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1256748723' post='267510']
I think Reed has made Foxworth look bad times this year. Reed plays center-field seemingly all the time. Getting a jump on a play is fine but I truly believe a number of the long completions the corners have surrendered wouldn't have happened had Reed stayed home.
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Yeah. Everybody's been really giving our corners a hard time, Carr deserves it because he sucks and so does Walker because of his stupid penalties, but the safties have been a big problem. In almost all the big plays our db's give up the corner was there and the help from the safety was not. Reed needs to stop gambling and some one needs to give Landry a copy of the playbook, because he doesnt look like he has a clue.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 12:56 PM' timestamp='1256748972' post='267513']
I'm wondering if this isn't the game where we try to draw all the attention to Marshall, and finally get Royal open. He hasn't got much production this year, but not because he isn't open. And Stokley is always the big third down threat.

So how will the Raven's coverage look if we've got Marshall and Royal split out, Stokely in the slot, Scheffler at TE blocking but breaking late? That will be 4 receivers, and possibly the RB if there is not blitz.
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That could happen but I'm confident Fabian has the speed and quickness to stay with Royal. As long as he doesn't sneak looks into the backfield, he'll be fine.

I believe Foxworth and Fabian would cover Marshall and Royal respectively. Rookie Lardarius Webb would likely cover Stokley and one of the LBs or Dawan Landry would cover Scheffler.

All of those match-ups could tip in either teams favor depending on how much pressure the Ravens front seven brings.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='flynismo' date='28 October 2009 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1256746178' post='267469']
You know, it is absolutely hilarious....
We have always spoken about the GREAT Ed Reed with the respect that a man like him deserves. Arguably the greatest safety of all time.

And ever since NFL Playbook showed how Ed jumped a route against San Diego (on the play Jackson caught a TD pass with 3 defenders around him), now everyone is critical of him. A few of you clowns even suggested he is a liability to our team.

Now after we whoop Denver, I'll bet everyone will be back to singing his praises.
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Do you watch the games? Ed Reed is in instinctive player and that gets him in trouble some times. That doesn't make him any better or worse of a player. Favre and Rivers both got reed out of position with pump fakes and by looking him off. You can't really fault Ed because that is how he has played his whole career. Unfortunately, the pass rush is lacking, so QBs have plenty of time to manipulate the secondary, including Reed, and make any throw they want. Some clowns just can't look at the facts.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='neepo13' date='28 October 2009 - 10:43 AM' timestamp='1256748196' post='267497']
"Personal attack and smacking . . . blah blah"

We've got 4 of 6 division games left to be played. We are not out of any **** thing.

"More name calling and non-football smacking, blah blah blah"
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You are 3rd in your division, behind by 2 wins. And both teams above you have an easier (in my opinion) schedule than you do. Cincinnati beat you at home, so you have to play them at their house now, meaning it is likely they beat you again. Assuming you split with Pittsburgh. i see only 4 other games that are gimme's for you.
Pittsburgh has 5 gimmes. Cincinnati has 5 gimmes.

Obviously, anything can happen, and you're not mathematically eliminated. But you've got a long road, so your best bet is to hope for the 2nd wildcard (assuming Cin or Pit has the other one). All assumptions, and all just opinion. But I think you're all but out of your division race. And I've given reason why, all without calling you names or personal insults . . . try it sometime.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1256749748' post='267527']
You are 3rd in your division, behind by 2 wins. And both teams above you have an easier (in my opinion) schedule than you do. Cincinnati beat you at home, so you have to play them at their house now, meaning it is likely they beat you again. Assuming you split with Pittsburgh. i see only 4 other games that are gimme's for you.
Pittsburgh has 5 gimmes. Cincinnati has 5 gimmes.

Obviously, anything can happen, and you're not mathematically eliminated. But you've got a long road, so your best bet is to hope for the 2nd wildcard (assuming Cin or Pit has the other one). All assumptions, and all just opinion. But I think you're all but out of your division race. And I've given reason why, all without calling you names or personal insults . . . try it sometime.
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Go Away Troll!

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='28 October 2009 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1256749748' post='267527']
You are 3rd in your division, behind by 2 wins. And both teams above you have an easier (in my opinion) schedule than you do. Cincinnati beat you at home, so you have to play them at their house now, meaning it is likely they beat you again. Assuming you split with Pittsburgh. i see only 4 other games that are gimme's for you.
Pittsburgh has 5 gimmes. Cincinnati has 5 gimmes.

Obviously, anything can happen, and you're not mathematically eliminated. But you've got a long road, so your best bet is to hope for the 2nd wildcard (assuming Cin or Pit has the other one). All assumptions, and all just opinion. But I think you're all but out of your division race. And I've given reason why, all without calling you names or personal insults . . . try it sometime.
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Nothing in this league is a "gimmie" (See Oakland vs Philadelphia). Lucky for us Raven fans, the games are actually played so we have a chance at winning them and the other teams have a chance at losing them. Denver fans of all people should know that. Remember, the Broncos were a "gimmie" for most teams before the season started.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 10:52 AM' timestamp='1256748723' post='267510']
I think Reed has made Foxworth look bad times this year. Reed plays center-field seemingly all the time. Getting a jump on a play is fine but I truly believe a number of the long completions the corners have surrendered wouldn't have happened had Reed stayed home.
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That was one of our big problems last year. We had Dre Bly, who is a good coverage man, but both of our safeties SUCKED and were often out of position, making it look like Bly blew it.


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='28 October 2009 - 11:08 AM' timestamp='1256749680' post='267524']
That could happen but I'm confident Fabian has the speed and quickness to stay with Royal. As long as he doesn't sneak looks into the backfield, he'll be fine.

I believe Foxworth and Fabian would cover Marshall and Royal respectively. Rookie Lardarius Webb would likely cover Stokley and one of the LBs or Dawan Landry would cover Scheffler.

All of those match-ups could tip in either teams favor depending on how much pressure the Ravens front seven brings.
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Well, the Bengals got several sacks and quite a bit of pressure at times. Oakland . . .next. The Cowboys, not so much. Patriots, not much. SD, at times.

We definitely have one of the top 3 O-lines for pass protecting, but on the other hand Orton is awfully slow, and has next to no mobility. If you've got someone really quick, or some stunts that we don't pick up, you might get pressure. But just a head on bullrush won't do it.

[raven112657]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='28 October 2009 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1256749868' post='267529']
Go Away Troll!
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I second that. I bet he is a kid. If he does not leave - ignore him and he will go away. Try the Denver message boards and get a life. Denver scares no one here.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='28 October 2009 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1256750063' post='267530']
Nothing in this league is a "gimmie" (See Oakland vs Philadelphia). Lucky for us Raven fans, the games are actually played so we have a chance at winning them and the other teams have a chance at losing them. Denver fans of all people should know that. Remember, the Broncos were a "gimmie" for most teams before the season started.
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Oakland, Philly is an interesting point. I still think Philly is the most overrated team in the league. Look at the Monday night game. Take away 2 stupid turnovers (not forced ones, just completely given away) and the 10 points they led to. And take away just one of the 2 big plays that never should have happened and even Washington beats Philly.
Oakland has a lot of talent, they just have really lousy coaching. During the Philly game, the coaching got out of the way and let the players play.

But the point is taken. Although, there's a Big difference between "gimme" before the season even starts, and a "gimme" after 6 games when we at least have some indication of a team's talent level.