Merged: The Undefeated Broncos - Attempt 2

[neepo13]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1256678781' post='267079']
They may have some validity, but they're still excuses. Just the same way the blaming the injury of key players is valid, but it's still an excuse. Every team in NFL football is comprised of professional players. Why any of these teams perform sub-par is irrelevant when you're talking about results.

If you don't think Denver has been tested as much as anyone, please give me another team who has been tested more and has proven as much? Arizona and Pittsburgh are the only 2 with a better Rushing allowed average. So which of them has been tested more??


As for the Cincy thing. I'm still waiting for anyone to give me a valid reason why Cinci "deserved" to win more than the Broncos after the broncos shut them out for 59 minutes?? We had 3 scoring drives, they had 1. We moved the ball better, had more first downs, and more total offense. So how does 1 lucky play change the fact that we outplayed them??

I am serious about the Wild horses. We didn't use it at all against SD, because we didn't have to. We easily ran on them without it. What I said was IF you somehow shut down are normal running game, you will then have to deal with the Wild Horses. Which, for those who don't know, is NOT the wildcat, it's better because there is a lot more versatility and ability to audible to passes.

Washington?? What's been his best performance this year . . . 5 catches for 60 yards against Cleveland? He's only scored 1 TD all year??
Meh, not worried. Westley Woodyard is the primary Nickel, and that boy is a ball hawk. He hasn't been beaten badly all year, so I doubt your 3rd string WR will do it.




Guys, I'm sorry if I'm sounding like I'm smacking. I really don't intend it. I'm just very excited about my team this year. no disrespect is intended to anyone . . . . until after you lose (just kidding).
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Its ok dude, the Ravens have no chance to win. The Bronco's are so much more talented and they've got so many ways to beat you that its not even funny, while the Ravens have no QB, no wrs, or formidable play makers on offense out side of Ray Rice, their lbs suck, their dl sucks, the ol sucks, they dont have a st, and they have inferior coachs. We get it. The only thing the Bronco's have to do to win is shut down Ray Rice.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='neepo13' date='27 October 2009 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1256677977' post='267063']
On another note, what does Denver's ST look like? I like our chances of winning the field position battle with Koch @ home.
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Not too terrible. A huge improvement from last year. Our coverage is adequate. Punt returns and Kick returns are now handled by Eddie Royal (who returned one of each to the house against SD). Our kicking . . . Matt Prater. Big leg, some accuracy issues on field goals (but you know what that's like).
And we just released our Punter, Brett Kern because he sucked at directionality and signed a veteran, Mitch Berger, who I believe you are familiar with, seeing that he played for Pittsburgh for along time. So we have yet to see how that works out.

I'm not familiar with yours, so I can't compare or say who will win that battle.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='neepo13' date='27 October 2009 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1256679142' post='267082']
Its ok dude, the Ravens have no chance to win. The Bronco's are so much more talented and they've got so many ways to beat you that its not even funny, while the Ravens have no QB, no wrs, or formidable play makers on offense out side of Ray Rice, their lbs suck, their dl sucks, the ol sucks, they dont have a st, and they have inferior coachs. We get it. The only thing the Bronco's have to do to win is shut down Ray Rice.
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Ok, good, so long as you understand that's how it's gonna be. Feel free to anytime

[kris21054]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1256678781' post='267079']
They may have some validity, but they're still excuses. Just the same way the blaming the injury of key players is valid, but it's still an excuse. Every team in NFL football is comprised of professional players. Why any of these teams perform sub-par is irrelevant when you're talking about results.

If you don't think Denver has been tested as much as anyone, please give me another team who has been tested more and has proven as much? Arizona and Pittsburgh are the only 2 with a better Rushing allowed average. So which of them has been tested more??


As for the Cincy thing. I'm still waiting for anyone to give me a valid reason why Cinci "deserved" to win more than the Broncos after the broncos shut them out for 59 minutes?? We had 3 scoring drives, they had 1. We moved the ball better, had more first downs, and more total offense. So how does 1 lucky play change the fact that we outplayed them??

I am serious about the Wild horses. We didn't use it at all against SD, because we didn't have to. We easily ran on them without it. What I said was IF you somehow shut down are normal running game, you will then have to deal with the Wild Horses. Which, for those who don't know, is NOT the wildcat, it's better because there is a lot more versatility and ability to audible to passes.

Washington?? What's been his best performance this year . . . 5 catches for 60 yards against Cleveland? He's only scored 1 TD all year??
Meh, not worried. Westley Woodyard is the primary Nickel, and that boy is a ball hawk. He hasn't been beaten badly all year, so I doubt your 3rd string WR will do it.




Guys, I'm sorry if I'm sounding like I'm smacking. I really don't intend it. I'm just very excited about my team this year. no disrespect is intended to anyone . . . . until after you lose (just kidding).
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I still don't think Denver have been tested but thats a different story... who is Denver's secondary besides Champ... You guys are going to have to stop Rice, MacGahee, Heap, Mason, Clayton and Washington.... I don't think Denver has a great quality player to cover all of them

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1256678781' post='267079']


If you don't think Denver has been tested as much as anyone, please give me another team who has been tested more and has proven as much? Arizona and Pittsburgh are the only 2 with a better Rushing allowed average. So which of them has been tested more??

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Pittsburgh........we played half of the teams you played and AP

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='kris21054' date='27 October 2009 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1256679550' post='267087']
I still don't think Denver have been tested but thats a different story... who is Denver's secondary besides Champ... You guys are going to have to stop Rice, MacGahee, Heap, Mason, Clayton and Washington.... I don't think Denver has a great quality player to cover all of them
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Andre Goodman as the other CB. Very good veteran player, but not quite in Champ's league. At Safety we've got Brian Dawkins (from Philly) who is a football GOD. We like him a lot. And Renaldo Hill at the other safety. Then Jack Williams and Wesley Woodward (both 2nd year players with loads of potential) in the nickel and dime.
The LB's play a lot of coverage when needed. DJ Williams and Mario Haggan are particularly good at it.

It's not like you won't complete a single pass, but our defense is no fluke. We handled the passing attacks of SD and NE, and the Rushing of Cincinnati and Dallas. We'll be fine.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1256678781' post='267079']
If you don't think Denver has been tested as much as anyone, please give me another team who has been tested more and has proven as much? Arizona and Pittsburgh are the only 2 with a better Rushing allowed average. So which of them has been tested more??

I am serious about the Wild horses. We didn't use it at all against SD, because we didn't have to. We easily ran on them without it. What I said was IF you somehow shut down are normal running game, you will then have to deal with the Wild Horses. Which, for those who don't know, is NOT the wildcat, it's better because there is a lot more versatility and ability to audible to passes.

Washington?? What's been his best performance this year . . . 5 catches for 60 yards against Cleveland? He's only scored 1 TD all year??
Meh, not worried. Westley Woodyard is the primary Nickel, and that boy is a ball hawk. He hasn't been beaten badly all year, so I doubt your 3rd string WR will do it.
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You keep bringing up Denver's stoutness against the run. As impressive as it is, that statistic has been compiled against four teams that [b]don't run the ball[/b]. SD was worst running team going into their game against Denver. The Pats haven't run the ball with any consistency since Corey Dillon left. And Cleveland and Oakland can't the run the ball because by half-time, they're usually three touchdowns down.

SD actually bottled up Denver's running game. Buckhalter and Moreno combined for 90 yards.

As for Washington, his statistics don't tell the whole story. He's been a beast working the middle on third downs and I doubt Woodyard(a linebacker) will be able to keep up with him.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='27 October 2009 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1256679829' post='267089']
Pittsburgh........we played half of the teams you played and AP
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Pittsburgh's schedule:
Week 1 ---- Tennessee . . . hardly strenuous
Week 2 ---- Chicago, ok Forte is a good test, but you lost!
Week 3 ---- Cincinatti, again Benson is a test, that you failed and we didn't
Week 4 ---- San Diego, as you said a shared opponent -- that was a terrific game
Week 5 ---- Detroit. Smith is a good RB, but they didn't run much did they
Week 6 ---- Cleveland . . . again, nor more of a challenge than with us.

And since Denver hasn't had a week 7 yet, I think we'll disregard Minnesota . . .



Just kidding, yes, AP is a big time test . . . just as Rice will be for us in our week 7 while you have a bye

Pittsburgh is definitely comparable in being tested against the run, but that goes to prove my point. Denver has been tested just as much as any team on the run, and we have passed.

[PurePurple]

Let's hope the [b][color="#483d8b"]Ravens[/color] [/b]avoid the end of game penalties and turnovers. Those mistakes have cost the [color="#483d8b"][b]Ravens [/b][/color]two out of the last three games.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='27 October 2009 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1256680095' post='267092']
You keep bringing up Denver's stoutness against the run. As impressive as it is, that statistic has been compiled against four teams that [b]don't run the ball[/b]. SD was worst running team going into their game against Denver. The Pats haven't run the ball with any consistency since Corey Dillon left. And Cleveland and Oakland can't the run the ball because by half-time, they're usually three touchdowns down.

SD actually bottled up Denver's running game. Buckhalter and Moreno combined for 90 yards.

As for Washington, his statistics don't tell the whole story. He's been a beast working the middle on third downs and I doubt Woodyard(a linebacker) will be able to keep up with him.
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I also keep asking you to give me another team who has done any better against comparable opposition, or that has had stiffer opposition and proven something?
I'm not touting the stats just for the sake of the stats. I use comparisons. Stats don't mean much by themselves, but how they stack up to other teams similar stats can tell a lot.

As for Woodyard, I mispoke. It's Jack Williams who's the Nickel guy. He has lots of speed and a nose for the ball, but he can be beaten when he concentrates too much on the ball and not enough on the tackle.
But our primary weapon in the defensive passing game is our 21 sacks and constant blitzing. Washington can't catch the ball if Flacco can't throw it in time.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1256680434' post='267093']
Pittsburgh's schedule:
Week 1 ---- Tennessee . . . hardly strenuous
Week 2 ---- Chicago, ok Forte is a good test, but you lost!
Week 3 ---- Cincinatti, again Benson is a test, that you failed and we didn't
Week 4 ---- San Diego, as you said a shared opponent -- that was a terrific game
Week 5 ---- Detroit. Smith is a good RB, but they didn't run much did they
Week 6 ---- Cleveland . . . again, nor more of a challenge than with us.

And since Denver hasn't had a week 7 yet, I think we'll disregard Minnesota . . .



Just kidding, yes, AP is a big time test . . . just as Rice will be for us in our week 7 while you have a bye

Pittsburgh is definitely comparable in being tested against the run, but that goes to prove my point. Denver has been tested just as much as any team on the run, and we have passed.
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you right we did lose to the bengals.....but benson didnt beat us.....forte didnt either

but i will admit that denvers D looks to be the real deal

but you have two big tests in a row coming up.....the ravens come to play

and then you play the champs

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='27 October 2009 - 04:04 PM' timestamp='1256681068' post='267101']
you right we did lose to the bengals.....but benson didnt beat us.....forte didnt either

but i will admit that denvers D looks to be the real deal

but you have two big tests in a row coming up.....the ravens come to play

and then you play the champs
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I love the emotion you use for "the champs" . . . . big fluffy teddy bears.

(That was last year by the way, the thing about seasons is, you have to win every year to keep the title . . . . but you can keep Winnie the Pooh if it makes you feel better)


I am so looking forward to that game vs Pittsburgh. Tried to get tickets, but decent seats for MNF were over $300 each. I'm going to the SD at Denver game instead to enjoy the 2nd Beat down on crybaby Rivers.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 06:09 PM' timestamp='1256681368' post='267102']
I love the emotion you use for "the champs" . . . . big fluffy teddy bears.

(That was last year by the way, the thing about seasons is, you have to win every year to keep the title . . . . but you can keep Winnie the Pooh if it makes you feel better)


I am so looking forward to that game vs Pittsburgh. Tried to get tickets, but decent seats for MNF were over $300 each. I'm going to the SD at Denver game instead to enjoy the 2nd Beat down on crybaby Rivers.
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yep i payed 350 a ticket to go to that game......its going to be a good one

and we are the champs untill someone else is

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1256680938' post='267099']
I also keep asking you to give me another team who has done any better against comparable opposition, or that has had stiffer opposition and proven something?
I'm not touting the stats just for the sake of the stats. I use comparisons. Stats don't mean much by themselves, but how they stack up to other teams similar stats can tell a lot.

As for Woodyard, I mispoke. It's Jack Williams who's the Nickel guy. He has lots of speed and a nose for the ball, but he can be beaten when he concentrates too much on the ball and not enough on the tackle.
But our primary weapon in the defensive passing game is our 21 sacks and constant blitzing. Washington can't catch the ball if Flacco can't throw it in time.
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The statistics I'm brining to the table don't need to be compared to be validated. The Broncos have played the teams on their schedule but frankly, four of those team aren't very good against the run. No team in the NFL has played the same schedule as Denver.

Here's some I picked up on the Denver Post:
[i]
New England decided it could work the slot receiver free. The Broncos primarily used Jack Williams as the nickel corner in the slot.

The Patriots got 11 receptions (nine in the first half) for 101 yards and a touchdown combined from two receivers who primarily worked the slot, Welker and Julian Edelman.[/i]

Sounds like Mr.Williams can be attacked.

Washington is at his best on short slants and crossing routes. The perfect routes to combat a blitz-happy front seven.

Also, Denver is able to bring the heat with success in obvious passing situations. I see the Ravens running the ball with success so which will force Nolan to dial down the blitzes.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='27 October 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1256682144' post='267108']
The statistics I'm brining to the table don't need to be compared to be validated. The Broncos have played the teams on their schedule but frankly, four of those team aren't very good against the run. No team in the NFL has played the same schedule as Denver.

Here's some I picked up on the Denver Post:
[i]
New England decided it could work the slot receiver free. The Broncos primarily used Jack Williams as the nickel corner in the slot.

The Patriots got 11 receptions (nine in the first half) for 101 yards and a touchdown combined from two receivers who primarily worked the slot, Welker and Julian Edelman.[/i]

Sounds like Mr.Williams can be attacked.

Washington is at his best on short slants and crossing routes. The perfect routes to combat a blitz-happy front seven.

Also, Denver is able to bring the heat with success in obvious passing situations. I see the Ravens running the ball with success so which will force Nolan to dial down the blitzes.
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All I'm saying is that any stat can be explained away, or brushed aside with excuses, whether valid or not. In order for the numbers to be anything, they must have some frame of reference.
If your purpose is to say the Ravens Running will do well against Denver, then show me a similar rushing game that has done well against Denver. If there isn't one, then at least show that the Ravens have done well against similar Defenses.

If you can't show one of those things, then your arguments are baseless, and are therefore nothing but excuses and speculation.


Yes, WES WELKER killed Williams in the first half. Are you telling me that Washington is as good as Wes Welker and that your offense will play a similar style?? I hope not, because I would hate to see that many completions again.

However, did you happen to look at the 2nd half stats? We made adjustments, and Welker only caught 1 ball the 2nd half.

That's why I'm saying, if you want to get ahead, you'd better do it in the first half.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='27 October 2009 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1256681967' post='267106']
yep i payed 350 a ticket to go to that game......its going to be a good one

and we are the champs untill someone else is
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No, LAST YEAR's team are the champs until this year's championship. But this year's steelers are not last years team.

IF, this year's team are claiming the title, then I suggest that Chicago or Cincinnati must be the champs now, seeing that "the champs" have fallen.

[Orange&Blue19]

Looks like most of us are getting along for the most part!! WOO, 2nd attempt a success!

Anyways, I like the dumervil gaither matchup. I really do think it could go both ways. We all know doom is extremely small, compared to gaither who is a monster. So, I am going to go with Doom has got the edge in that matchup, being able to get a good jump, and get around the dude.

Suggs vs. Clady
-Suggs is a great talent, but what I have seen this year, and read on the boards, sounds like he isn't doing much? I think he can really bust out again at anytime, so I think clady/harris will have their hands full. Hopefully we can contain him.

Foxy vs. BMarsh
-Gotta take BMarsh in this matchup, he is an absolute beat, and I just don't think Foxy will be able to contain him.

Heap vs. Barrett
-I have high hopes for Barrett, and for the most part he has shut down TE's this year. Gates, Witten, etc... So asuming he keeps up the play, he might be able to limit Heap to not doing much damage.

McGahee & Rice vs. Our Defense
-Ray Rice. The kid is gooooood. Soooo exciting to watch, can always break the big one. However, I think for the most part we can stop the run, however using Ray Rice in the screen game, could give us nightmares. We have always struggled against the screen, and we have allowed some big screen plays this year too.

Either way I can't wait, it will be a good matchup, and I definitely DON'T expect a blowout on either side.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1256683214' post='267112']
All I'm saying is that any stat can be explained away, or brushed aside with excuses, whether valid or not. In order for the numbers to be anything, they must have some frame of reference.
If your purpose is to say the Ravens Running will do well against Denver, then show me a similar rushing game that has done well against Denver. If there isn't one, then at least show that the Ravens have done well against similar Defenses.

If you can't show one of those things, then your arguments are baseless, and are therefore nothing but excuses and speculation.


Yes, WES WELKER killed Williams in the first half. Are you telling me that Washington is as good as Wes Welker and that your offense will play a similar style?? I hope not, because I would hate to see that many completions again.

However, did you happen to look at the 2nd half stats? We made adjustments, and Welker only caught 1 ball the 2nd half.

That's why I'm saying, if you want to get ahead, you'd better do it in the first half.
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Whats the point, you wont take the orange shades off. Nevermind, Rice and Flacco just ripped a great pass rushing and run stuff team in Minn. ON THE ROAD for almost 500 yards of total offense. They've absolutely dominated every weak defense they've gone against and have only had one questionable showing so far as an offense. But still Denver's defense is just to good for them to handle, despite 6 games that says otherwise.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 06:44 PM' timestamp='1256683454' post='267113']
No, LAST YEAR's team are the champs until this year's championship. But this year's steelers are not last years team.

IF, this year's team are claiming the title, then I suggest that Chicago or Cincinnati must be the champs now, seeing that "the champs" have fallen.
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your right we are not undefeated like you are....

but the teams that beat us had an advantage that you will not have.......troy's back and playing great

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='27 October 2009 - 05:23 PM' timestamp='1256678623' post='267073']
I agree about Koch. His ability to pin teams within the 20 is great.
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Yup, one of our best weapons... he deserves a Pro Bowl nod this year

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1256683214' post='267112']
All I'm saying is that any stat can be explained away, or brushed aside with excuses, whether valid or not. In order for the numbers to be anything, they must have some frame of reference.
If your purpose is to say the Ravens Running will do well against Denver, then show me a similar rushing game that has done well against Denver. If there isn't one, then at least show that the Ravens have done well against similar Defenses.

If you can't show one of those things, then your arguments are baseless, and are therefore nothing but excuses and speculation.


Yes, WES WELKER killed Williams in the first half. Are you telling me that Washington is as good as Wes Welker and that your offense will play a similar style?? I hope not, because I would hate to see that many completions again.

However, did you happen to look at the 2nd half stats? We made adjustments, and Welker only caught 1 ball the 2nd half.

That's why I'm saying, if you want to get ahead, you'd better do it in the first half.
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Like the Broncos, the Ravens shut down SD and Cleveland's running game. Cedric Benson ran for a respectable 75 yards against Denver and we as Ravens fans know what he did against the Ravens. Looking at Denver's two other opponents, all the respectable opponents have shut down Oakland and NE's running game.

As for Dallas, yes every team has professionals but when two of a team's three RBs are hurt, they just aren't going to run with same success as they normally do. Denver was able to shut down the Cowboys running game because Felix Jones was out, Barber was banged up and Choice had to carry the load.

I'm not saying Denver isn't good against the run but look what they've done and who/when they did it.

I never compared Kelley Washington to Wes Welker. But Washington is no bum and WILL get open against Williams.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='neepo13' date='27 October 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1256683664' post='267115']
Whats the point, you wont take the orange shades off. Nevermind, Rice and Flacco just ripped a great pass rushing and run stuff team in Minn. ON THE ROAD for almost 500 yards of total offense. They've absolutely dominated every weak defense they've gone against and have only had one questionable showing so far as an offense. But still Denver's defense is just to good for them to handle, despite 6 games that says otherwise.
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Oh please . . . enough with playing the matyr to the orange shades man. This is sports talk, don't go getting all offended. I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. All I was asking for was for you to back up your arguments with legitimate stats.

Based on your last post, I take it you are claiming that your rushing performance against Minnesota is a viable comparison?
Ok, Minnesota is #10 against the Rush. They give up a lot more yards and points than the Broncos, but I will concede that Minnesota is a viable defense for comparison purposes.

In that game, Rice carried 10 times for 77 yards and 2 TD's. McGahee carried 7 times for 3 yards (ouch) and no TD's.
That actually sounds reasonable. I can easily see rice getting 70 yards and a TD (only 1, since Minnesota gives up almost double the points we do). I have no problem conceding that amount of yardage. But I don't see how that can be considered "Dominating" us?

[avsfan987]

[quote name='neepo13' date='27 October 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1256683664' post='267115']
Whats the point, you wont take the orange shades off. Nevermind, Rice and Flacco just ripped a great pass rushing and run stuff team in Minn. ON THE ROAD for almost 500 yards of total offense. They've absolutely dominated every weak defense they've gone against and have only had one questionable showing so far as an offense. But still Denver's defense is just to good for them to handle, despite 6 games that says otherwise.
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I'm a Broncos fan, not here to cause any trouble, just to talk about the game.

I just wanted to say to you that the Broncos have played 6 games that have clearly proven that our defense is capable of beating any offense. It goes both ways buddy, I know the Ravens offense has been impressive this year, but it doesn't scare me as much as the Patriots or Chargers.

Fans from both of their teams said the same things, and both times their offense didn't come away with much. Don't get me wrong, I fully expect some points to be up on the board for the Ravens, but don't expect some kind of runaway game on offense for you guys because it would go against everything we have seen out of the Broncos defense so far.

This game is only going to be won by the team who plays the complete game. So that means you are going to have to count on your defense a lot too. No offense, but I'd be a little scared of McDaniels scheming your defense and attacking its weaknesses, which is what he has done all year long with great effectiveness. And quite honestly I'd say the Ravens defense does have some glaring weaknesses, especially at corner. That doesn't exactly bode well when the Broncos have one of the best WR groups in the league, with big old Brandon Marshall and the elusive Eddie Royal leading the way.

Anyways once again it's going to have to be a complete game for the winner. Should be a real interesting matchup though, I'm looking forward to it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='avsfan987' date='27 October 2009 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1256684662' post='267125']quite honestly I'd say the Ravens defense does have some glaring weaknesses, especially at corner. That doesn't exactly bode well when the Broncos have one of the best WR groups in the league, with big old Brandon Marshall and the elusive Eddie Royal leading the way.
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Marshall and Royal are young, talented playmakers but Royal has done very little offensively all year and Marshall has been shut down before. Greg Mattison could easily have the corners and safeties bracket Marshall game long like Cincy did. The Ravens play a lot of man-coverage too so that doesn't automatically mean Stokley, Gaffney or even Scheffler will be open.

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='27 October 2009 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1256684427' post='267123']
Like the Broncos, the Ravens shut down SD and Cleveland's running game. Cedric Benson ran for a respectable 75 yards against Denver and we as Ravens fans know what he did against the Ravens. Looking at Denver's two other opponents, all the respectable opponents have shut down Oakland and NE's running game.

As for Dallas, yes every team has professionals but when two of a team's three RBs are hurt, they just aren't going to run with same success as they normally do. Denver was able to shut down the Cowboys running game because Felix Jones was out, Barber was banged up and Choice had to carry the load.

[b]I'm not saying Denver isn't good against the run but look what they've done and who/when they did it. [/b]

I never compared Kelley Washington to Wes Welker. But Washington is no bum and WILL get open against Williams.
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Barber said before the game he was full strength and ready to go. The "still banged up" excuses didn't come out until after we'd already won and they were scrambling for justification. So I don't consider that valid. Yes they were without felix, but again, injuries are part of the game. If a team can't win with injuries, then they aren't winners, regardless of the reason, or the excuses.

But for the sake of ending the debate, I'll concede that there were some legitimate reasons (excuses) for the Broncos numbers to be slightly inflated. Now, you show me another team who has also gotten "inflated" numbers because of their competition, and show me the comparison. Even with inflated numbers, we've still proven ourselves.

I'm not saying the Broncos are the best ever, but I am saying that given the level of competition in the NFL this year, we have proven our ability to stop the run as well as anyone. And that includes stopping or at least effectively slowing Rice. Show me where my logic is faulty? How am I wrong?

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='27 October 2009 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1256685166' post='267128']
Marshall and Royal are young, talented playmakers but Royal has done very little offensively all year and Marshall has been shut down before. Greg Mattison could easily have the corners and safeties bracket Marshall game long like Cincy did. The Ravens play a lot of man-coverage too so that doesn't automatically mean Stokley, Gaffney or even Scheffler will be open.
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Marshall hasn't been shut down against a suspect secondary like yours. You've also got to recognize that the Cinci game was basically Marshall's first time out this year. He missed most of pre-season because of his behavior. Since Cleveland, he's been a completely different guy and his performances have been steadily improving. I suggest, that the trend of improvement has more validity than than a poor week 1 performance. But I could be wrong.

I do hope you play a lot of man-coverage. Foxworth cannot cover either Marshall or Eddie . . . and probably not gaffney either.


I will concede that Royal hasn't put up the same kind of numbers as he did last year. He and Orton have been a little out of sync. I hope that improves this week. Either way, he's a weapon you'll have to worry about.


Well, that's it for me today. Gotta head home. i'll be back tomorrow though

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='27 October 2009 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1256683753' post='267117']
your right we are not undefeated like you are....

but the teams that beat us had an advantage that you will not have.......troy's back and playing great
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They remind me of last years Titans, great reg season but the big boys play big in tha playoffs. Last i heard broncos choke before they get there

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1256685238' post='267129']
Barber said before the game he was full strength and ready to go. The "still banged up" excuses didn't come out until after we'd already won and they were scrambling for justification. So I don't consider that valid. Yes they were without felix, but again, injuries are part of the game. If a team can't win with injuries, then they aren't winners, regardless of the reason, or the excuses.

But for the sake of ending the debate, I'll concede that there were some legitimate reasons (excuses) for the Broncos numbers to be slightly inflated. Now, you show me another team who has also gotten "inflated" numbers because of their competition, and show me the comparison.

I'm not saying the Broncos are the best ever, but I am saying that given the level of competition in the NFL this year, we have proven our ability to stop the run as well as anyone. And that includes stopping or at least effectively slowing Rice. Show me where my logic is faulty? How am I wrong?
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A player will always say he's ready to go. Even if it makes them less effective, every player in the NFL wants to play through an injury(as long as it isn't career-threatening). I watched the Dallas-Broncos game and Barber didn't look right at all. And to further prove my point, Barber touched the ball [b]once[/b] in the second half. That doesn't sound like a guy who was at full strength.

To be honest, with all the bad teams in the league, EVERY team has inflated stats. I just wanted you to acknowledge your team is no different.

I'm really not in the mood to do the research and comparison but I will say that of the 7 interceptions the Ravens have this season, four came against Browns. I would call that inflation.

Your logic that the Broncos could limit Rice isn't faulty. It very well could happen. However, I truly believe the Ravens have a better o-line than any team the Broncos have faced and thus, they'll have success pounding the rock.

[admartian]

Without reading the previous posts, I really think the amount of time Orton has to throw to those dangerous WRs are key. That means both our pass rush and coverage must be top notch.

I think on Offense (for the Ravens) we need to just do what works on the day.

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[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='27 October 2009 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1256685738' post='267134']
Marshall hasn't been shut down against a suspect secondary like yours.

I do hope you play a lot of man-coverage. Foxworth cannot cover either Marshall or Eddie . . . and probably not gaffney either.
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Marshall was shut down by the Browns who are worse against the pass than the Ravens(sadly not by much). But that further proves my point that Marshall can be contained. Missing pre-season because of behavior doesn't mean anything...

I actually believe Foxworth can cover Marshall. Eddie will likely be blanketed by Fabian who was playing okay until the Vikings game. As for Foxworth, he's only had one bad game all year and that was against Vincent Jackson who is even bigger than Marshall. I actually think he'll step up and play well against Marshall.