Merged: The Rest of the Season

[McBoller]

while i think u r panicking a bit too much, i think the basis of your post is accurate.

[flynismo]

All this negativity around here makes my head hurt. I love how people say we're going to lose to Indy and get swept by Pitts as if it's a fact.
Not saying this about you in particular, just a general observation...an awful lot of people confuse 'pessimism' with 'realism'.

[flygunit88]

we will find out soon enough...the way they play this denver game will tell alot...

[flynismo]

[quote name='flygunit88' date='26 October 2009 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1256575195' post='266372']
we will find out soon enough...the way they play this denver game will tell alot...
[/quote]


Haven't you heard? We're losing that game too.

[LilyRaven]

I have to agree with flynismo and I certainly hope the team doesn't have your attitude. When I was still racing I often beat other drivers because I had them convinced my car was better before we even got to the track. Was my car better? Sometimes, but not always. Think you're going to lose and you will.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='flynismo' date='26 October 2009 - 12:38 PM' timestamp='1256575115' post='266371']
All this negativity around here makes my head hurt. I love how people say we're going to lose to Indy and get swept by Pitts as if it's a fact.
Not saying this about you in particular, just a general observation...an awful lot of people confuse 'pessimism' with 'realism'.
[/quote]
After Sunday we should know for sure. If we can't stop Kyle Orton of all people after having 2 weeks to prepare, we have no chance against Manning and Roethlisberger. And if we don't stand a chance against those 2 it doesn't really matter if we make the playoffs because we would eventually play one of those two teams and be knocked out.

You can call that what you want, pessimism or realism. I call it the cold hard truth.

[theFRANCHISE]

1) It's not even mid-season yet.
2) Games aren't played on paper.
3) Mid-season turnarounds [i]are[/i] possible for a playoff berth; 2008 Ravens, 2007 Giants, 2007 Redskins, 2005 Steelers, 2005 Redskins, etc. -- happens regularly enough.
4) The division has been up-and-down all season thus far.
5) There's a greater influx of teams playing poorly than in years past, much of it to do with injury and coaching changes, with this season having the most rookie head coaches in years (possibly in NFL history.)
6) A 0.500 record through six games is not a death knell by any means, especially when something like 80% of 3-0 teams make the playoffs each year (don't remember the exact percentage.)

Stop panicking, people.

[flygunit88]

we will find out soon...no games are a given in the nfl..i hope MandT is LOUD this weekend...

[flynismo]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='26 October 2009 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1256576238' post='266378']
1) It's not even mid-season yet.
2) Games aren't played on paper.
3) Mid-season turnarounds [i]are[/i] possible for a playoff berth; 2008 Ravens, 2007 Giants, 2007 Redskins, 2005 Steelers, 2005 Redskins, etc. -- happens regularly enough.
4) The division has been up-and-down all season thus far.
5) There's a greater influx of teams playing poorly than in years past, much of it to do with injury and coaching changes, with this season having the most rookie head coaches in years (possibly in NFL history.)
6) A 0.500 record through six games is not a death knell by any means, especially when something like 80% of 3-0 teams make the playoffs each year (don't remember the exact percentage.)

Stop panicking, people.
[/quote]


Thanks, I'm far too lazy to type all that myself.

It's all good if you have doubts about the team, I have a few of my own. But its hard to have reasonable discussion about the games ahead if everyone has thrown in the towel 6 games in and we're only a game and a half back.We can reclaim the division lead just as quickly as we lost it.

Lighten up people. It's not like we don't have more than enough talent on this team to kick some butt and make the playoffs.

[Purple Punishment]

I Love My Ravens but I dont think we will get 7 out of 10, unless Mattison has fixed our defensive problems. Our O is going to be good to go though

[Runnin Raven]

Please let's just go one game at a time. All I care about is Denver at this point.

[FerrariFan87]

7 out of 10 is an absolute minimum, and even that might not do it... the Pats were 11-5 last year and missed.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

Another negative thread. I think we can make it to the playoffs, have a little faith. For the record, the Broncos have never beat the Ravens. Can;t verify that fact, but I heard it today on 105.7the fan talk show.

[Moderator 3]

The Bronocs have definitely beaten the Ravens. How could anyone ever forget Boller's dismal performance out there in the rain a few years ago?

[Jorge]

[quote name='Moderator 3' date='26 October 2009 - 07:21 PM' timestamp='1256599281' post='266564']
The Bronocs have definitely beaten the Ravens. How could anyone ever forget Boller's dismal performance out there in the rain a few years ago?
[/quote]
Yeah- on Monday night football, i believe... a butt-whupping!

[hammer]

[quote name='flynismo' date='26 October 2009 - 01:10 PM' timestamp='1256577039' post='266384']
Thanks, I'm far too lazy to type all that myself.

It's all good if you have doubts about the team, I have a few of my own. But its hard to have reasonable discussion about the games ahead if everyone has thrown in the towel 6 games in and we're only a game and a half back.We can reclaim the division lead just as quickly as we lost it.

Lighten up people. It's not like we don't have more than enough talent on this team to kick some butt and make the playoffs.
[/quote]

Ok Fly, time for a reality check. Now I think you know that I respect you as a knowledgable, mature and thoughtful poster. However, it is not unreasonable, given the past three eggs the defense has laid, to be a little pessimistic about our "BELOVED TEAM."

Now I actually believe the Ravens can beat Denver, because Denver doesn't have the "lazer-armed QB." I think that our offense can score points against anybody in the NFL. But our defense needs to improve....only a little, teensy, weensy bit, for our team to be successful.

That's my opinion. This is not therapy,,,,it's just a free fan-forum for sane, and emotionally stable people.

The title of the thread is "Ravens Need to Win 7 out of 10" and the poster is asking do you believe this... or not? This is a Yes or No question? Why even ask if you can only accept YES. The game is going to be played... we will know the TRUTH... and then you can go back and neuter those who were wrong.

I SUGGEST you to [b]"cover your stones though"[/b] because that person MIGHT..... JUST MIGHT...BE YOU! Let's hope NOT though! Please laugh about this. It's just entertainment.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

7 out of 10 is not out of reach. It could very well be more than that. Every game remaining on the schedule is a winnable game for the Ravens. They will be determined as most do. Hopefully we keep penalties down, big plays against the defense down, have some success on special teams, and continued success with our offense. Seems simple but not so as of late. Hopefully the coaches and players have worked out some problems over the bye and we can get back on track.

[JO_75]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='26 October 2009 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1256578866' post='266403']
7 out of 10 is an absolute minimum, and even that might not do it... the Pats were 11-5 last year and missed.
[/quote]

7 out of 10 means we finish 10-6 and most likely the 6th seed.... or out of the playoffs. The way the Bengals and Steelers are playing 10-6 may not make it this year, even a repeat of last year where we may finish 11-5 and miss the playoffs. The AFC is tough this year. Denver has already sealed their playoff spot since they play in a weak division, The Colts have their playoff spot sealed along with the AFC South Division. That leaves 4 spots remaining, The AFC North is a toss up, the Patriots are most likely taking the East again unless Rex and the Jets can get on a roll and take the East from Brady and Belicheck.

If that happens we miss the playoffs either because of the Pats having a better record or tied with them and they have the tie-breaker. Here's my scenarios:

- Ravens, Patriots, Colts and Broncos take their divisions. Leaving Pittsburgh with the 5th seed and the Bengals battling the Chargers, Jets, and Texans for the 6th and final playoff spot.

- Steelers, Patriots, Colts and Broncos take their division. Ravens take the 5th seed, Bengals, Jets, Texans, Chargers all battle for the 6th seed.

- Bengals, Jets, Colts and Broncos take their division. Steelers take the 5th seed. Ravens, Patriots, Texans and Chargers battle for the 6th seed.

[rootin 4 the ravens]

7 out of 10 might make it possible 2 make it but the broncos game will be our toughest and most important game all season this is gonna be our turn around game if we win this our whole season can turn around. weve come off of three tough losses 2 three tough teams. Joe Flacco has played great but our defence needs to step it up so when Joe and Ray get a lead for us we can hold onto the stupid thing. its ridiculous that we come back to get a lead against the vikings, and the bengals and our defense cant hold onto the lead

[hammer]

[quote name='JO_75' date='26 October 2009 - 09:02 PM' timestamp='1256605376' post='266610']
7 out of 10 means we finish 10-6 and most likely the 6th seed.... or out of the playoffs. The way the Bengals and Steelers are playing 10-6 may not make it this year, even a repeat of last year where we may finish 11-5 and miss the playoffs. The AFC is tough this year. Denver has already sealed their playoff spot since they play in a weak division, The Colts have their playoff spot sealed along with the AFC South Division. That leaves 4 spots remaining, The AFC North is a toss up, the Patriots are most likely taking the East again unless Rex and the Jets can get on a roll and take the East from Brady and Belicheck.

If that happens we miss the playoffs either because of the Pats having a better record or tied with them and they have the tie-breaker. Here's my scenarios:

- Ravens, Patriots, Colts and Broncos take their divisions. Leaving Pittsburgh with the 5th seed and the Bengals battling the Chargers, Jets, and Texans for the 6th and final playoff spot.

- Steelers, Patriots, Colts and Broncos take their division. Ravens take the 5th seed, Bengals, Jets, Texans, Chargers all battle for the 6th seed.

- Bengals, Jets, Colts and Broncos take their division. Steelers take the 5th seed. Ravens, Patriots, Texans and Chargers battle for the 6th seed.
[/quote]

Now that seemed to be a "well-thought out post" but no (+) Reps. The post was a thoughtful opinion which could "VERY WELL BE TRUE." No "pom-poms" there, but clearly the poster thought out his position and delivered it. I can clearly understand what he was suggesting. I don't know the future, so I just appreciate his opinion.

But wait...."I Love Joe Flacco!" That obviously would be a +1. How about "Go Ravens! You Rock!".... another (+) 2. What about; Gaither is gonna "Score Three Touchdowns All By Himself." See, now were at (+) 3. Get the point? Nahh, you probalbly don't.

Get rid of the Neg-Rep Systems People? It's an affront to sensible people.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JO_75' date='26 October 2009 - 09:02 PM' timestamp='1256605376' post='266610']
7 out of 10 means we finish 10-6 and most likely the 6th seed.... or out of the playoffs. The way the Bengals and Steelers are playing 10-6 may not make it this year, even a repeat of last year where we may finish 11-5 and miss the playoffs. The AFC is tough this year. Denver has already sealed their playoff spot since they play in a weak division, The Colts have their playoff spot sealed along with the AFC South Division. That leaves 4 spots remaining, The AFC North is a toss up, the Patriots are most likely taking the East again unless Rex and the Jets can get on a roll and take the East from Brady and Belicheck.

If that happens we miss the playoffs either because of the Pats having a better record or tied with them and they have the tie-breaker. Here's my scenarios:

- Ravens, Patriots, Colts and Broncos take their divisions. Leaving Pittsburgh with the 5th seed and the Bengals battling the Chargers, Jets, and Texans for the 6th and final playoff spot.

- Steelers, Patriots, Colts and Broncos take their division. Ravens take the 5th seed, Bengals, Jets, Texans, Chargers all battle for the 6th seed.

- Bengals, Jets, Colts and Broncos take their division. Steelers take the 5th seed. Ravens, Patriots, Texans and Chargers battle for the 6th seed.
[/quote]

Actually if Pit and the Bungholes both continue to play well, it would seem that 11 wins might get the division crown, since we're all going to be beating up on each other. We can afford losses then to Indy and Denver if we win our rematch against Cincy and take both against Pitts.
But we don't need to set our sights on a particular win total, we merely have to make up the game and a half we are down, and we still have 10 games (3 against the teams ahead of us...we can go UP a two games in the division if we beat Dener next weekend and win those games).

[RavingRaven]

[quote name='hammer' date='26 October 2009 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1256607533' post='266626']
Now that seemed to be a "well-thought out post" but no (+) Reps. The post was a thoughtful opinion which could "VERY WELL BE TRUE." No "pom-poms" there, but clearly the poster thought out his position and delivered it. I can clearly understand what he was suggesting. I don't know the future, so I just appreciate his opinion.

But wait...."I Love Joe Flacco!" That obviously would be a +1. How about "Go Ravens! You Rock!".... another (+) 2. What about; Gaither is gonna "Score Three Touchdowns All By Himself." See, now were at (+) 3. Get the point? Nahh, you probalbly don't.

Get rid of the Neg-Rep Systems People? It's an affront to sensible people.
[/quote]

+1, I'm always getting hounded for realistic thoughts.

As for games we could potentially lose: Steelers(2), Bengals, Colts, Bears, Broncos, and Packers (only because it's at Lambeau)

If we are going to make the playoffs(realistically), we can only lose two of those games and it would be helpful if neither of those were interdivisional, although I don't see us beating the Steelers in Iron City.

Personally, and please don't hate me for this, it looks like we lose three of these, twice to the Steelers(sorry) and to the Colts.

Obviously I would like us to go undefeated the rest of the year, it just isn't very likely to happen and at this point, this is how I see it shaking out.

[hammer]

[quote name='RavingRaven' date='26 October 2009 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1256608569' post='266630']
+1, I'm always getting hounded for realistic thoughts.

As for games we could potentially lose: Steelers(2), Bengals, Colts, Bears, Broncos, and Packers (only because it's at Lambeau)

If we are going to make the playoffs(realistically), we can only lose two of those games and it would be helpful if neither of those were interdivisional, although I don't see us beating the Steelers in Iron City.

Personally, and please don't hate me for this, it looks like we lose three of these, twice to the Steelers(sorry) and to the Colts.

Obviously I would like us to go undefeated the rest of the year, it just isn't very likely to happen and at this point, this is how I see it shaking out.
[/quote]

Hey dude, your thoughts are EXTREMELY REALISTIC. Although I believe, if the Ravens improve either their pass defense and/or their pass rush, they can win the following:

1. One of the Pittsburgh games. Probaly at home, because the refs are probalbly gonna get us at Pitt.

2. I also think the Ravens can beat the Bengals, Bears, Broncos and MAYBE the Packers. I am troubled about the Colts, because Peyton seems to have out number.

In any event, if the Ravens win the games I am projecting, they make the playoffs. Keep your thoughts in tact. You have a right to them.

[TheDee333]

We are in a very difficult spot. It won't matter how many other games we win, if we don't sweep the rest of our AFC North division games we won't make it to the playoffs. That is a very tall order. But if we do that it will mean we have corrected most our our current problems and the other 6 games should yeild 3 to 4 wins and a plyoff berth. Could be dreaming but that's what it will take.

[loneravensfan]

i dont think people realize how close we are to being at least 5-1. Think about it...if we had made that field goal in the vikings game, not taken any one of 3 penalties on the last drive in the bengals game, and if clayton had made that catch...who knows

[hammer]

[quote name='TheDee333' date='26 October 2009 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1256611006' post='266639']
We are in a very difficult spot. It won't matter how many other games we win, if we don't sweep the rest of our AFC North division games we won't make it to the playoffs. That is a very tall order. But if we do that it will mean we have corrected most our our current problems and the other 6 games should yeild 3 to 4 wins and a plyoff berth. Could be dreaming but that's what it will take.
[/quote]

Even though I understand what your point is, I also think you are assuming that the Steelers and the Bengals are gonna win out the rest of their seasons. That's probalbly NOT TRUE.

Believe it or not, the Steelers are A LOT like the Ravens this year, being that they are A PASS FIRST TEAM. Ben Roth is leading the league in passing yards and their running game is not on par with ours. They are gonna get beat too.

The Bengals have actually been playing great.....by Bengals standards. Did you see how many mistakes they made against the Ravens. Somebody is gonna get them a couple of time too.

The Ravens probably DO NEED to go 7-3 to close out the season and I think they can do it......if.....if.....they can improve their pass rush and/or....pass defense. That's my call. IMO.

[flynismo]

[quote name='loneravensfan' date='26 October 2009 - 10:37 PM' timestamp='1256611026' post='266640']
i dont think people realize how close we are to being at least 5-1. Think about it...if we had made that field goal in the vikings game, not taken any one of 3 penalties on the last drive in the bengals game, and if clayton had made that catch...who knows
[/quote]

Oh we realize that all too well. Closing out games is our kryptonite.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='loneravensfan' date='26 October 2009 - 10:37 PM' timestamp='1256611026' post='266640']
i dont think people realize how close we are to being at least 5-1. Think about it...if we had made that field goal in the vikings game, not taken any one of 3 penalties on the last drive in the bengals game, and if clayton had made that catch...who knows
[/quote]
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, didn't.

[ZIBBY28]

troll alert, the whole 3rd page was -1's lol... anyway.. i think we'll need 11. we play cinci in the jungle after a bye week, we play the steelers coming off a bye week then have to turn around and play them again, plus two undefeated teams. the packers are playing darn good football too. i dont think anyone has mentioned them and they have one of the best arial attacks in the league, which has been our weakness on defense thus far.

if we can manage 11, i'll be thrilled... its always tough to beat teams (especially solid division opponents at home) coming off bye weeks and we havent found a way to beat the colts, so our future isnt looking too bright, but theres always a chance.

i think its very "do-able" to win 7 out of ten, i just hope thats enough. sadly, again, i think we need 11 unless the bungles collapse which isnt that hard to believe could happen.

there's always hope. i still have faith, and it all starts this week... we have an exciting final stretch ladies and gents.. lets gear up and make it happen.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='flynismo' date='26 October 2009 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1256608429' post='266629']
Actually if Pit and the Bungholes both continue to play well, it would seem that 11 wins might get the division crown, since we're all going to be beating up on each other. We can afford losses then to Indy and Denver if we win our rematch against Cincy [b]and take both against Pitts.[/b]
But we don't need to set our sights on a particular win total, we merely have to make up the game and a half we are down, and we still have 10 games (3 against the teams ahead of us...we can go UP a two games in the division if we beat Dener next weekend and win those games).
[/quote]

I love my Ravens, but I don't think there's any way we take both from Pitt this season...