Steelers Beat Vikings Showing How Defense Should Called

[biggkatt01]

I hope everyone here took the time to watch the Steelers and Vikings game if you did't the Steelers won. Let me start off saying I hat the Steelers with every fiber of my beeing, now let me say did you see how a defensive game should be called.

Take note Greg Mattison, he should have been made to have to watch this game if he did then he would have seen what a big league defense can do when you have a great defensive coach and a great defensive scheme.

So all of you cheerleaders here that come on this forum and say oh our defense is ok you got a picture today of a excellent called defensive game.

Mattison can learn alot from Dick LeBeau, we need another defensive coordinator who calls games like LeBeau.

[H8R]

The Steelers have a better pass rush and better corners..... LeBeau has been coaching for a VERY long time and knows the strengths of his personnel.

[Shawn`]

I have to agree.

The Defense was just amazing when it came to going back up field to make TD's. Kind of reminds me of last years Ed Reed interception for a TD against Miami in the Playoffs.

The Ravens need to do that, definitely, but they need to create turnovers first

[biggkatt01]

That's no excuse for how bad our defense is playing this year I will say it again we have had 1 major change on defense the coordinator. I get sick and tired of people making excuses for this guy.

And to your point yes LeBeau has been doing it for years hence my point he was an assistant then moved up Mattison spent 1 year as an Nfl assistant and then in the second year of being in the league you think he's good enough to coach against coaches that have been here for years experiment tried and failed now lets move on and give our defense to a real coach.

[Bltravens]

Who would we hire if we fired Mattison tomorrow, and dont just say "anybody". Its an unrealistic perception. If we had a HC who could call a defense and knew what he was doing then its a possibility but Harbaugh has no idea how to run a defense. When Billick fired Cavanaugh he was qualified to take over the offense so it was possible to do so. Like it or not, and many of us right now do not like, we are basically stuck with Mattison for the year.

And we had more than 1 major change on defense, Scott had been with us for 5 years, starting for 3 of them (4 due to Rays injury in 05). Landry replaced Leonhard and Landry is either still scared by his neck or really is a guy who can only play close to the line and play well with insane pressure (ie '06). Leonhard was far smarter in 1 season than Landry has been in his 3 seasons. We lost Rolle whos been with us since 06 and CMac whos been with us since '98. What did we gain at corner a 1st round cast off from Oakland that we wanted to be our nickel last year, and a career backup in Foxworth.

[Fred Sanford]

The Steelers had a good game, but it took a bad throw/catch from Favre to Taylor falling right in their hands to avoid a loss.

The Bengals' D is doing well, too, the Bears look like a joke so far.

[flynismo]

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='25 October 2009 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1256502883' post='266102']
That's no excuse for how bad our defense is playing this year I will say it again we have had 1 major change on defense the coordinator. I get sick and tired of people making excuses for this guy.

And to your point yes LeBeau has been doing it for years hence my point he was an assistant then moved up Mattison spent 1 year as an Nfl assistant and then in the second year of being in the league you think he's good enough to coach against coaches that have been here for years experiment tried and failed now lets move on and give our defense to a real coach.
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I guess losing McAlister, Rolle, Scott and Leohnard has nothing to do with anything....

[ChiTownRavens]

[quote name='Fred Sanford' date='25 October 2009 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1256504138' post='266115']
The Steelers had a good game, but it took a bad throw/catch from Favre to Taylor falling right in their hands to avoid a loss.

The Bengals' D is doing well, too, the Bears look like a joke so far.
[/quote]

Yea that last play really was a bad throw, they still had a chance if they didnt waste all that time before the huddle. But yes, the Steelers did look good out there.

And, the bengals are making a joke out of us (bears), im really awestruck

[Sizzle]

God im tired of people blaming mattison. Take in to fact all the players we have lost over the years before you blabbering about shizzzt. Fist of all if it wasnt for the 2 INTs the steelers defense got shredded over 300 yards so thats not a good example.

Other than that stop because its not Mattisons fault its all about execution. The long runs peterson had against us was simply not playing with Discipline just like when Cedric Benson played against us.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='Sizzle' date='25 October 2009 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1256504943' post='266129']
God im tired of people blaming mattison. Take in to fact all the players we have lost over the years before you blabbering about shizzzt. Fist of all if it wasnt for the 2 INTs the steelers defense got shredded over 300 yards so thats not a good example.

Other than that stop because its not Mattisons fault its all about execution. The long runs peterson had against us was simply not playing with Discipline just like when Cedric Benson played against us.
[/quote]

Couldnt agree more. I am tired of the whinning and crying about Mattison. All of it cant be placed on his shoulders. Execution, intensity, discipline, etc..., these are player responsibility.

And to all of those who are so far up the Steelers butt, why dont you just go route for them.

[52Kia Kaha92]

I actually will make a judgement on this after the Denver game. We would of had 2 weeks to make changes. If we come out in our vannila 4-3 defense with absoultely no personal changes and the same old vannila defense then i will say what i think but i hope that we line up line this and use all differnt sorts of blitzes.

LE - Jarrett Johnson
UT - Haloti Ngata
NT - Brandon McKinney
RE - Terrell Suggs
LOLB - Jameel mcClain
MLB - Ray Lewis
ROLB - Dannell Ellerbe
CB - Lardarius Webb
FS - ed Reed
SS - Dawan Landry
CB - Domonique Foxworth
CB - Frank Walker

We line up like that and start sending Landry on blitzes. Drop the ends into coverage and rush all three linebackers. Or send an overload where the safety and the linebacker rush one side with the end. We NEED to start blizting more. We are giving up huge plays and we are only rushing four. What need to happen is we need to get in the face and the head of the QB by blitzes and using lots of zone coverage aswell as man to man. It seems like we only play man. Lets play lots of different looks and confuse the QB. i would love for us to play the defense i write above as when McKinney played in the Vikings game Peterson ws doing nothing and it was a huge wall. I also want us to start the fast, physical linebackers (McClain and Ellerbe) that play like ravens defenders should.

[Sizzle]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='25 October 2009 - 05:27 PM' timestamp='1256506027' post='266138']
Couldnt agree more. I am tired of the whinning and crying about Mattison. All of it cant be placed on his shoulders. Execution, intensity, discipline, etc..., these are player responsibility.

And to all of those who are so far up the Steelers butt, why dont you just go route for them.
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Plus the steelers didnt play that well, Favre was picking them off all day if it wasnt for the INT and Fumble.

[RedFire]

taylor and townsend couldn't do any better on the ravens. the steelers have a better pass rush than we do! only difference. We have 3-4 personel and we trying to play a 4-3... gonna be a struggle.

tsteelers db's were getting torched...the lined up 8yrds back in da 2nd 1/2 lol. they don't have shut down corners...and their corners jump every route...but they can get away with it because of the pass rush.


we gotta get a better pass rush...and i think we need to go to to 3-4 instead of forcing da 4-3 and have blitzers coming from go only knows where like we used to do and which the steelers are doing now.

[mhead66]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' date='25 October 2009 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1256506204' post='266139']
I actually will make a judgement on this after the Denver game. We would of had 2 weeks to make changes. If we come out in our vannila 4-3 defense with absoultely no personal changes and the same old vannila defense then i will say what i think but i hope that we line up line this and use all differnt sorts of blitzes.

LE - Jarrett Johnson
UT - Haloti Ngata
NT - Brandon McKinney
RE - Terrell Suggs
LOLB - Jameel mcClain
MLB - Ray Lewis
ROLB - Dannell Ellerbe
CB - Lardarius Webb
FS - ed Reed
SS - Dawan Landry
CB - Domonique Foxworth
CB - Frank Walker

We line up like that and start sending Landry on blitzes. Drop the ends into coverage and rush all three linebackers. Or send an overload where the safety and the linebacker rush one side with the end. We NEED to start blizting more. We are giving up huge plays and we are only rushing four. What need to happen is we need to get in the face and the head of the QB by blitzes and using lots of zone coverage aswell as man to man. It seems like we only play man. Lets play lots of different looks and confuse the QB. i would love for us to play the defense i write above as when McKinney played in the Vikings game Peterson ws doing nothing and it was a huge wall. I also want us to start the fast, physical linebackers (McClain and Ellerbe) that play like ravens defenders should.
[/quote]
Totally agree, except for one thing - I don't think the Refs will let us play with the 12 men you have listed...

[DMT]

Mattison has done nothinng but anger me so far

[RoflDogs]

That was a pretty badly officiated game.....the Vikings had several ridiculously bad calls that gave up a lot of yards

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='DMT' date='25 October 2009 - 05:42 PM' timestamp='1256506972' post='266144']
Mattison has done nothinng but anger me so far
[/quote]
+1

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='mhead66' date='25 October 2009 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1256506767' post='266143']
Totally agree, except for one thing - I don't think the Refs will let us play with the 12 men you have listed...
[/quote]

lol, nickel defender bro lol

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='25 October 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1256502430' post='266093']
I hope everyone here took the time to watch the Steelers and Vikings game if you did't the Steelers won. Let me start off saying I hat the Steelers with every fiber of my beeing, now let me say did you see how a defensive game should be called.

Take note Greg Mattison, he should have been made to have to watch this game if he did then he would have seen what a big league defense can do when you have a great defensive coach and a great defensive scheme.

So all of you cheerleaders here that come on this forum and say oh our defense is ok you got a picture today of a excellent called defensive game.

Mattison can learn alot from Dick LeBeau, we need another defensive coordinator who calls games like LeBeau.
[/quote]

Please dont blame Mattison. The Steelers have sure tackling CBs who are better at covering. Put Ike Taylor and William Gay on the Ravens and we win that game.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='flynismo' date='25 October 2009 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1256504194' post='266117']
I guess losing McAlister, Rolle, Scott and Leohnard has nothing to do with anything....
[/quote]

Losing Leonhnard and Scott are not really the problems. If we had a healthhy Rolle and McAlister we wouldn't be having these problems.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='flynismo' date='25 October 2009 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1256504194' post='266117']
I guess losing McAlister, Rolle, Scott and Leohnard has nothing to do with anything....
[/quote]
It has everything to do with it! Discipline/Consistency is a huge issue as well (Coaches Included)

[Bltravens]

It just seems like too many of our guys on defense arent willing to sell out to make a play. They dont do whatever it takes to beat the man in front of them, to make a play, to refuse to beaten in man coverage. Reed has played far too close to the LOS for my liking with his neck injury, but even with his injury hes still selling out on plays and risking himself more harm trying to tackle guys like AP, and Benson and Larry Johnson. One wrong hit by anyone of those big HBs and hes done just like that. Then we have guys like Carr and Washington and Foxworth basically getting slapped by WRs and Landry wondering who hes supposed to cover. Honestly I dont know if its Mattisons fault the effort has been so piss poor but I feel for him, because at times he calls perfect coverages and we still get beat for TDs or big plays.

[ravenwildman]

Steelers defense looked good, but... I do question (again!) some of the game changing calls made by the Refs...Defensive delay of game? and that so called tripping call? wow.

Take those out of the game and Pitt would be 4-3

[RavensAllTheWay]

Vikes are no longer undefeated. Of course, they played the Steelers. It just had to be the Steelers, didn't it!!! We couldn't end the streak, it just had to be the Steelers!!!

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='ChiTownRavens' date='25 October 2009 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1256504686' post='266124']
Yea that last play really was a bad throw, they still had a chance if they didnt waste all that time before the huddle. But yes, the Steelers did look good out there.

And, the bengals are making a joke out of us (bears), im really awestruck
[/quote]
dont forget that phantom tripping call against the vikings. They would have went up four on that play.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='25 October 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1256503651' post='266108']
Who would we hire if we fired Mattison tomorrow, and dont just say "anybody". Its an unrealistic perception. If we had a HC who could call a defense and knew what he was doing then its a possibility but Harbaugh has no idea how to run a defense. When Billick fired Cavanaugh he was qualified to take over the offense so it was possible to do so. Like it or not, and many of us right now do not like, we are basically stuck with Mattison for the year.

And we had more than 1 major change on defense, Scott had been with us for 5 years, starting for 3 of them (4 due to Rays injury in 05). Landry replaced Leonhard and Landry is either still scared by his neck or really is a guy who can only play close to the line and play well with insane pressure (ie '06). Leonhard was far smarter in 1 season than Landry has been in his 3 seasons. We lost Rolle whos been with us since 06 and CMac whos been with us since '98. What did we gain at corner a 1st round cast off from Oakland that we wanted to be our nickel last year, and a career backup in Foxworth.
[/quote]Why does everyone miss Chris McAllister? He's been injured the last 3 years so anyone who says releasing him was a bad move has no idea what they're talkin about. He hasn't been healthy in a good 4 years.

One guy who has to step up is Suggs. Last year, he was our best LB our leading pass rusher and he had 2 pick 6s. Where's he been?

I'm thinkin we should put Webb in as starting CB and finally bench Walker and Washington. Webb is a talented rookie, who has shown on punt/kick returns that he has a hunger for finding the football and doin something with it (kinda like Ed Reed) He's a bright young player.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' date='25 October 2009 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1256506204' post='266139']
I actually will make a judgement on this after the Denver game. We would of had 2 weeks to make changes. If we come out in our vannila 4-3 defense with absoultely no personal changes and the same old vannila defense then i will say what i think but i hope that we line up line this and use all differnt sorts of blitzes.

LE - Jarrett Johnson
UT - Haloti Ngata
NT - Brandon McKinney
RE - Terrell Suggs
LOLB - Jameel mcClain
MLB - Ray Lewis
ROLB - Dannell Ellerbe
CB - Lardarius Webb
FS - ed Reed
SS - Dawan Landry
CB - Domonique Foxworth
CB - Frank Walker

We line up like that and start sending Landry on blitzes. Drop the ends into coverage and rush all three linebackers. Or send an overload where the safety and the linebacker rush one side with the end. We NEED to start blizting more. We are giving up huge plays and we are only rushing four. What need to happen is we need to get in the face and the head of the QB by blitzes and using lots of zone coverage aswell as man to man. It seems like we only play man. Lets play lots of different looks and confuse the QB. i would love for us to play the defense i write above as when McKinney played in the Vikings game Peterson ws doing nothing and it was a huge wall. I also want us to start the fast, physical linebackers (McClain and Ellerbe) that play like ravens defenders should.
[/quote]GOTTA STICK WITH THE 3-4. Moving to 4-3 would just make things even worse. Take Walker off of that list and keep Foxworth and Webb, cuz idk if you noticed, but there are 12 players on that list. Also, where is Trevor Pryce?

Sorry if I've been trashing your list a little bit but I like your idea of starting Jameel McClain. Problem is, he would have to be ILB with Ray, while Johnson and Suggs remain the 2 OLBs. And I completely agree that we need to blitz more. Lots of teams only rush 3 or 4, thinking that 7 or 8 in coverage actually works. It doesn't. There will always be an open receiver but make sure the QB has less time to find him. Our secondary sucks even when we drop extra guys back. So Mattison, why not take chances and send more after the QB? It can't hurt our pass defense can it?

[codizzle]

we need the speed on the field... we really need to switch back to 3-4... we are getting torched in the middle of the field..

like kia said it seems like we are always playing man and then we throw reed and landry in zone... then the middle is wide open all the time.. we never switch up the blitz..

i hope we have made some serious changes over this bye cause our defense is disgustingly predictable

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='25 October 2009 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1256521262' post='266233']
Why does everyone miss Chris McAllister? He's been injured the last 3 years so anyone who says releasing him was a bad move has no idea what they're talkin about. He hasn't been healthy in a good 4 years.

One guy who has to step up is Suggs. Last year, he was our best LB our leading pass rusher and he had 2 pick 6s. Where's he been?

I'm thinkin we should put Webb in as starting CB and finally bench Walker and Washington. Webb is a talented rookie, who has shown on punt/kick returns that he has a hunger for finding the football and doin something with it (kinda like Ed Reed) He's a bright young player.
[/quote]
I was listing the change over on defense from a poster that said Mattison was the only significant change. And CMac was only hurt 07 and 08 thats 2 years 05 and 06 he was one of the best corners in the entire league. Im not sure why people hate on CMac so much, ya hes not healthy now and older but he was the best corner in the league for a good 5 years. He shutdown the best WRs in the game in that stretch. And now because hes 32 and has shot knees and Harbaugh hates him everyone on this board thinks CMac was a joke. Brutal

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='25 October 2009 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1256520443' post='266227']
Vikes are no longer undefeated. Of course, they played the Steelers. It just had to be the Steelers, didn't it!!! We couldn't end the streak, it just had to be the Steelers!!!
[/quote]


That's why they're the reigning champs and we're looking for people to point fingers at.

But from what my brother (who is a Skins fan *snicker*) told me, they got a lot of help from the officiating crew. Big surprise.