Merged: Ozzie Newsome Threads

[RoflDogs]

Personally, I thought the Rams and Eagles deals were bad for the Eagles...

Will Witherspoon is a pretty injury prone player, while Brandon Gibson is an absolute stud at wide receiver


Anyways, I think Harbaugh needs to hire based on ability instead of just friendship because its obvious that those friendly hires (Mattison, Rosburg) are not doing a very good job

But Ozzie needs to be more pro-active in trying to make this team better

[PIG 20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='20 October 2009 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1256072036' post='263535']
More proof the Eagles have the best GM in football. After an embarassing lost they go out in get a LB from the Rams.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=155945&id=2362

Witherspoon is pretty darn good too if you ever seen him play.
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Sure, the same GM who let Brian Dawkins go to Denver. And the GM of the same team that just laid an egg in Oakland. At least our losses are to New England, Minnessota, and Cincy. All with a combined record of 15-3.

And on a side note, this poll is total GARBAGE! If you can't put your trust in a guy who three of his most recent draft picks consist of Flacco, Rice, and Oher, the Redskins are right down the street. Go root for them.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PIG 20' date='20 October 2009 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1256083092' post='263675']
Sure, the same GM who let Brian Dawkins go to Denver. And the GM of the same team that just laid an egg in Oakland. At least our losses are to New England, Minnessota, and Cincy. All with a combined record of 15-3.
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Didn't they sign some guy who just got out of prison in the offseason even though they have two QBs they think can start? lol @ the eagles

[flynismo]

for the record, the only guy I'd trust more than Oz is
Belichek.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='20 October 2009 - 04:13 PM' timestamp='1256069632' post='263481']
Hmmm he drafted Flacco, Rice and Oher and all 3 are helping the Ravens stay afloat...
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I gave u a positive but a 2nd round cb would have been a knockout

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='20 October 2009 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1256074848' post='263585']
While I can agree that the draft could have went better by taking Sean Smith instead of Kruger, we didn't. I trust in Ozzie. Webb is turning out to be a good choice and we will get to see more of him in the Nickel. Oher has been quite a force on our O line. Jason Phillips wasn't a great pickup either. How many LBs do we have already? I know Oz likes the best player available formula but sometimes you have to draft the BPA for a spot you have a need in. Who knows, maybe we would have scored another Marques Colston in a late round receiver. He cannot make great picks all the time folks. Lets get through this season and just be fans of our team. We lose 3 games and everyone wants to jump ship....have faith in your team
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Im with you buddy. Ive never been to Maryland or met any players or anything of that sort but i am and always have been a huge fan of Baltimore since '95. From 3-13 to 13-3 ive never lost faith. Baltimore overcomes adversity. We will get our crap together and make it work. Ozzie is an awesome GM, maybe some dont like not trading of players for someone else, but how would you give up on somebody that you invested in? You dont. You work on it. My only question on the team is what is Chris Carr and Frank Walker doing on our starting D. Underpowered, Undersized, Undertalented and not much more to say. Other than that we have leaders at all positions.Have faith

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='ravensfolife' date='20 October 2009 - 02:18 PM' timestamp='1256084296' post='263681']
I gave u a positive but a 2nd round cb would have been a knockout
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Our draft picks after the 3rde round definately raised a few eyebrows..

[hammer]

All jokes aside.... Ozzie is ACTUALLY a GREAT GM. Period. I tend to goof around with him from time to time, but look at [b]HIS Drafts:[/b]

Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Adalius Thomas, Jermaine Lewis, Bart Scott, Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, Chris McAllister, Ben Grubbs, Jamal Lewis, Todd Heap, Ed Reed, Terell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell.

Add to that [b]HIS Free Agents;[/b] Deon Sanders, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Justin Bannon, Willis McGahee, Derrick Mason, Trevor Pryce, Cory Fuller.

I know that I missed someone, but lets get real people. Lets stop this weirdness.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

Mr. "DPoY"

[flynismo]

[quote name='hammer' date='20 October 2009 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1256085897' post='263692']
All jokes aside.... Ozzie is ACTUALLY a GREAT GM. Period. I tend to goof around with him from time to time, but look at [b]HIS Drafts:[/b]

Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Adalius Thomas, Jermaine Lewis, Bart Scott, Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, Chris McAllister, Ben Grubbs, Jamal Lewis, Todd Heap, Ed Reed, Terell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell.

Add to that [b]HIS Free Agents;[/b] Deon Sanders, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Justin Bannon, Willis McGahee, Derrick Mason, Trevor Pryce, Cory Fuller.

I know that I missed someone, but lets get real people. Lets stop this weirdness.
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We traded for McGahee. And ya forget the McNair trade. And several more guys that he drafted.

In other words, Oz has done so much for this team that it takes one person to list it all and another to proof-read.

Do we have faith in Oz? lmao @ this thread.

[wvravensfan]

[quote name='flynismo' date='20 October 2009 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1256071736' post='263530']
Ok. What would you have done then? Keep in mind we have practically no cap space, and nobody wants to trade away their star players.

We can address next season's WR issue in the offseason. I'm just talking about for this season. What would you have done today that Oz didnt do?
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ok...here what i woulda done...First of all Why give all this money to foxworth when he didn NOTHING in ATL.. Then in the draft where you get players your supposed to work for the weaknesses but no we had to get oher (which is good still hes going to be a great person) but yet still need to work on the corners when they know alot of people were leaving...to me there are only 6 people that are motivated on the D...Ray Ray, Suggs, Reed, Nghata, and Gregg and Pryce... and they all have to cover for the corners that suck at taking down anyone there fast thats it and tiny....I agree thats its a good thing to try webb out...I still have faith in this team but i think myself and alot of people just question that mind set sometimes of the coachs(greg mattison) was a bad choice. Play Kruger and webb and see how it goes

[PuRock]

I hate this talk that Ozzie failed because he didn't bring in a big time receiver. If it were only that simple. I find that usually what the majority of fans want isn't whats best for the team. Every year we come away with career players. A lot of teams are lucky to come away with one career player in three drafts!

Oher is that player this year. Flacco the last. The list goes on and on. Until he starts drafted duds all around. He's still tops.

I would love to see you guys go on probably more than 50% of the other teams boards. And start talking trash about Ozzie. I'm sure you'll get other teams fans wishing they had our GM.

Are we not competitive? Did we not go to the AFCCG game? Stop thinking you know what this team needs.

[J-man]

After all Ozzie has done for us (good things) we cant just dump him because of one little thing.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PuRock' date='20 October 2009 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1256088793' post='263718']
I hate this talk that Ozzie failed because he didn't bring in a big time receiver. If it were only that simple. I find that usually what the majority of fans want isn't whats best for the team. Every year we come away with career players. A lot of teams are lucky to come away with one career player in three drafts!

Oher is that player this year. Flacco the last. The list goes on and on. Until he starts drafted duds all around. He's still tops.

I would love to see you guys go on probably more than 50% of the other teams boards. And start talking trash about Ozzie. I'm sure you'll get other teams fans wishing they had our GM.

Are we not competitive? Did we not go to the AFCCG game? Stop thinking you know what this team needs.
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It's funny...

I actually wanted to make a thread last night to **** about a few of Ozzie's decisions (and a non-decision).

But now after reading all this Ozzie is a failure stuff, I feel defensive about him. Even if you believe that our complacency today was a mistake (in reality, it probably was a matter of Oz not wanting to screw up the future of this team for a quick fix now), it is the height of ignorance to deem him a failure because of a percieved mistake.

[PuRock]

[quote name='flynismo' date='20 October 2009 - 10:20 PM' timestamp='1256091655' post='263766']
It's funny...

I actually wanted to make a thread last night to **** about a few of Ozzie's decisions (and a non-decision).

But now after reading all this Ozzie is a failure stuff, I feel defensive about him. Even if you believe that our complacency today was a mistake (in reality, it probably was a matter of Oz not wanting to screw up the future of this team for a quick fix now), it is the height of ignorance to deem him a failure because of a percieved mistake.
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I hear ya. I was a bit sore at him for not drafting Sean Smith in the Draft. But I guess when you just signed Foxworth, and you have Fabes coming off a decent year, plus your expected Rolle back, you feel like you might be okay at CB.

But after hearing all this crap about Ozzie failed us just makes me sick. I listen to a lot of Redskins radio because of the area I live in. You should hear what a real failure of a GM is, in Cerrano.

Because he didn't pull the trigger on Bowe we might end up with a career WR with that draft pick next year. You never know with Oz. But he's still at least guaranteed one career guy per draft.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PuRock' date='20 October 2009 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1256092553' post='263776']
I hear ya. I was a bit sore at him for not drafting Sean Smith in the Draft. But I guess when you just signed Foxworth, and you have Fabes coming off a decent year, plus your expected Rolle back, you feel like you might be okay at CB.

But after hearing all this crap about Ozzie failed us just makes me sick. I listen to a lot of Redskins radio because of the area I live in. You should hear what a real failure of a GM is, in Cerrano.

Because he didn't pull the trigger on Bowe we might end up with a career WR with that draft pick next year. You never know with Oz. But he's still at least guaranteed one career guy per draft.
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Speaking of Bowe, I really wish people would get off his nuts. He's good, but he's not worth what KC would probably want in return (a 1st AND ....fill in the blank....)
There'll be at least two or three guys in the draft who'll be better than him anyway.

[PuRock]

[quote name='flynismo' date='20 October 2009 - 10:43 PM' timestamp='1256093001' post='263784']
Speaking of Bowe, I really wish people would get off his nuts. He's good, but he's not worth what KC would probably want in return (a 1st AND ....fill in the blank....)
There'll be at least two or three guys in the draft who'll be better than him anyway.
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I didn't mind Bowe, I think he's a better thought than most. But not worth it. If KC used a 1st on him, they wouldn't want anything less w/ compensation. Who else is out there, T.O.? despite rumors he wasn't being offered up.

And just like we did last year with the QB position, we will be targeting a WR in the draft. We do need a CB as well, but our WR is going to be weak next year with all the possible ifs. If that means we have to trade a pick to get higher, than I see Oz doing that.

Bottom line is, until we stop being competitive. I can't give Ozzie any crap. Its us fans who are the ones full of crap. I'll be the first to admit it. If they ever had an "all-fan" runned team - where fans votes on moves. The team would be horrible and financially in trouble.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='20 October 2009 - 08:48 PM' timestamp='1256093328' post='263789']
I didn't mind Bowe, I think he's a better thought than most. But not worth it. If KC used a 1st on him, they wouldn't want anything less w/ compensation. Who else is out there, T.O.? despite rumors he wasn't being offered up.

And just like we did last year with the QB position, we will be targeting a WR in the draft. We do need a CB as well, but our WR is going to be weak next year with all the possible ifs. If that means we have to trade a pick to get higher, than I see Oz doing that.

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Depending on our scheme next year we're going to need a DT that can actually collapse the pocket, a DB, and WR obviously. And im really hard pressed to believe all those needs can be filled in the draft. Really if Ozzie wants to fix those areas hes going to have to get one guy in FA at one of those positions, and good man coverage DBs are rare, and pass rushing DTs are even rarer.

[JO_75]

[quote name='hammer' date='20 October 2009 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1256085897' post='263692']
All jokes aside.... Ozzie is ACTUALLY a GREAT GM. Period. I tend to goof around with him from time to time, but look at [b]HIS Drafts:[/b]

[b]Ray Lewis[/b], [b]Jonathan Ogden[/b], Adalius Thomas, [b]Jermaine Lewis[/b], Bart Scott, Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, [b]Chris McAllister[/b], [b]Ben Grubbs[/b], Jamal Lewis, [b]Todd Heap[/b], [b]Ed Reed[/b], [b]Terell Suggs[/b], [b]Haloti Ngata[/b], Kelly Gregg, Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell.
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Agreed. Ozzie has a great track record for players to be drafted by Baltimore and retire as a Raven. JO first draft pick in 1996, retired in 07 as a Raven. Suggs is on his way to be drafted and retire as a Raven. Todd Heap is another who may retire as a Raven, throw in Ed Reed. That is a great track record to see players remain on 1 team throughout their career. Most players now a days when they hit the FA see the dollar signs and forget how great it was to be on a team and they leave the team who drafted them. Here we are with guys who are on their 2nd or 3rd contracts being most likely the last one they will ever sign. That should tell you how great of a Organization we have. One more thing:

Everyone on here is getting on Ozzie for not getting a top WR and calling him the worst Gm for that. You can't fault Ozzie for other teams mistakes. It's not his fault great players have fell into his lap on draft day.

He's been spot on since 06, well since 96.

It wasn't Ozzie's fault 23 GMs(we had two draft picks in 1996) passed on Ray Lewis.

It's not his fault 9 teams passed on Chris McCalister in 1998.

30 Teams passed on Todd Heap in 2001.

23 Teams passed on Ed Reed in 2002.

9 passed on Terrell Suggs in 03.

Ngata in 06.

Grubbs in 07.

Flacco in 08.

Considering how many teams needed an offensive online going into the 09 draft, passed on Michael Oher.
Ozzie is great!

[Noles2011]

[quote name='flynismo' date='20 October 2009 - 10:20 PM' timestamp='1256091655' post='263766']
It's funny...

I actually wanted to make a thread last night to **** about a few of Ozzie's decisions (and a non-decision).

But now after reading all this Ozzie is a failure stuff, I feel defensive about him. Even if you believe that our complacency today was a mistake (in reality, it probably was a matter of Oz not wanting to screw up the future of this team for a quick fix now), it is the height of ignorance to deem him a failure because of a percieved mistake.
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THIS is EXACTLY how i feel now

[Noles2011]

and why are all yall just saying Flacco for 2008! Have yall not noticed the beast that is emerging in the backfield???? I think ray rice is going to be a better brian westbrook in his prime... and think about how great westbrook was... Ray Rice was a HELL of a pick at 55!!

[CecilRavensFan]

Well were 6 games in with a bye to trim off the fat. Ozzie knows what he's doing. I think he's done fine by giving us a competitive team. Mattison has been a coach for 40 years, he knows what hes doing. Harbaugh's no dummy either, I think we'll make Denver 6-1 when they leave Baltimore November 1st.

[BloodRaven]

Its not as if the Eagles always get it right, they whiffed on Stacy Andrews paying him like a starting tackle, now hes a back-up guard.

[PIG 20]

[quote name='Noles2011' date='21 October 2009 - 12:35 AM' timestamp='1256099734' post='263847']
and why are all yall just saying Flacco for 2008! Have yall not noticed the beast that is emerging in the backfield???? I think ray rice is going to be a better brian westbrook in his prime... and think about how great westbrook was... Ray Rice was a HELL of a pick at 55!!
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I don't think there is one person here who would deny that. Even after we drafted him, most of the "so called experts" stated that getting Ray Rice in the second round was a "steal" for the Ravens.

He's the full package. He's incredibly dangerous with any sort of open field. He's going to bring a lot of attention to himself now and that is going to keep this offense very productive.

We have two incredible weapons on offense now. The draft of Flacco and Rice is probably going to go down as one of the best in Ravens history next to the 96 draft class. I know its still early but you can just see it.

[Osiris]

It amazes me how all of a sudden, some people are becoming football experts and start questioning Ozzie!
And for what!? a 3 game losing streak by combined 10 or 11 points!

Stop panicking!

And YES, I do trust Ozzie!

[Grand Weepers]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='20 October 2009 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1256069642' post='263482']
ozzie fails again like the off season all talk about talent nothing done ......im beginning to question john as a coach this team is just going on a rollercoaster ride shoulda made some trades ozzie
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Why so down? It's a good thing you don't root for the Lions. You'd have off'd yourself by now! Calm down. We can't win the superbowl every year.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='21 October 2009 - 01:14 AM' timestamp='1256102071' post='263857']
Its not as if the Eagles always get it right, they whiffed on Stacy Andrews paying him like a starting tackle, now hes a back-up guard.
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The Eagles are the league's best "on paper" drafters.

On paper, their drafts look amazing. Three years later, those guys are usually still on the bench.

[ravens world]

I think he's alright but he didn't address the wr and db positions in the offseasoun and that was our 2 real needs.