Merged: Ozzie Newsome Threads

[VA_Fan]

I still think he is the best GM in football but I have questions as to what he was thinking when he brought in a few FA's and other teams underperforming DB's. I also think Mattison was a poor choice for our DC.

[Alexir]

Best GM in football is probably the Eagles General Manager. They killed on this draft. I am a fan of any GM who brings in talent to make a team better instead of just talking about it.

But who knows, I think Ozzy needs to bring back Oglesby and let Webb start. It couldn't be that much worse than our current situation but I will save my opinion to see if Kruger will actually do something for us or if it is just stubborn John making that call.

[wvravensfan]

[quote name='VA_Fan' date='20 October 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1256069012' post='263470']
I still think he is the best GM in football but I have questions as to what he was thinking when he brought in a few FA's and other teams underperforming DB's. I also think Mattison was a poor choice for our DC.
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well ozzie fails again trade deadline here and gone this team will need help down the road

[flynismo]

For the most part, yes.

He wouldn't be human if he could please evryone, all the time, and do it while remaining under the salary cap.

[BloodRaven]

I think there is a fair amount of luck and guesswork involved in his line of work, no GM has a flawless track record and despite the 2005 draft, our traditional failings at WR and our current failings at CB he generally gets it right.

So what if he's not perfect he's easily one of the better GM's in the NFL and we should be thankful he's not in Cleveland.

[TSizzle00]

Hmmm he drafted Flacco, Rice and Oher and all 3 are helping the Ravens stay afloat...

[wvravensfan]

ozzie fails again like the off season all talk about talent nothing done ......im beginning to question john as a coach this team is just going on a rollercoaster ride shoulda made some trades ozzie

[McBoller]

i dont mistrust him, he knows more than us, but it just seemed so obvious this year that we needed to make a move.

[flynismo]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='20 October 2009 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1256069283' post='263475']
well ozzie fails again trade deadline here and gone this team will need help down the road
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he "fails" because he couldn't pander to people who have no concept of what his job entails?

your train of thought fails. sorry.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='flynismo' date='20 October 2009 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1256069713' post='263484']
he "fails" because he couldn't pander to people who have no concept of what his job entails?

your train of thought fails. sorry.
[/quote]

Got that crow dish jpeg ready? I have a feeling you'll be dishing it out soon.

[wvravensfan]

[quote name='flynismo' date='20 October 2009 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1256069713' post='263484']
he "fails" because he couldn't pander to people who have no concept of what his job entails?

your train of thought fails. sorry.
[/quote]
ok but when its half way down the season and are corners still suck and overrated clayton is our main WR next season and mason is retired next season then he will think maybe i shoulda tried someone out besides puting money into old washed up WRs

[Ozzsome]

of course we still trust in ozzie he has not much to do with the situation we are now in, he is not the one who doesnt let kruger dress on gameday and not the one whos changing the D
i definitly still have trust in ozzie, although im dont think that foxworth was a good pickup

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='20 October 2009 - 02:14 PM' timestamp='1256069642' post='263482']
ozzie fails again like the off season all talk about talent nothing done ......im beginning to question john as a coach this team is just going on a rollercoaster ride shoulda made some trades ozzie
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What's there to question? Went to the AFC championship game last year, we lost our 3 games by a combined 11 points, all of which were very winnable. We have been in the game until the end every week. Clayton makes a catch and we win the NE game, no one would be talking like this, never mind the 2 recent losses. Against Cincy, if our D doesn't turn to swiss cheese in that final drive we would have won. This week, Hauschka makes that field goal and we are 6-0. In none of those instances (save the 15 yarder Harbs incurred vs New England) did the coaching LOOSE those games - players did.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='20 October 2009 - 02:24 PM' timestamp='1256070290' post='263495']
What's there to question? Went to the AFC championship game last year, we lost our 3 games by a combined 11 points, all of which were very winnable. We have been in the game until the end every week. Clayton makes a catch and we win the NE game, no one would be talking like this, never mind the 2 recent losses. Against Cincy, if our D doesn't turn to swiss cheese in that final drive we would have won. This week, Hauschka makes that field goal and we are 6-0. In none of those instances (save the 15 yarder Harbs incurred vs New England) did the coaching LOOSE those games - players did.
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Its the way the games have gone this year, sloppy against KC and barely win, SD lights us up and the O and Ray save the day, Browns have struggled all year but look better with Anderson at QB it wont be so easy next time. NE i can stomache it was a good game against a good team, Cincy we gave up 400 total yards and our offense was non existant I dont think anybody here expected the D to win that game with 2 min left honestly really how could u. Minny we scored 31 points and lost for the first time since 2002 when we score 30 points in a game, like something has been seriously wrong all year. Even if we were 6-0 and id be like this is not going to last long.

[wvravensfan]

ok but when its half way down the season and are corners still suck and overrated clayton is our main WR next season and mason is retired next season then he will think maybe i shoulda tried someone out besides puting money into old washed up WRs

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='20 October 2009 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1256070131' post='263490']
ok but when its half way down the season and are corners still suck and overrated clayton is our main WR next season and mason is retired next season then he will think maybe i shoulda tried someone out besides puting money into old washed up WRs
[/quote]

It's not half way down the season, we played six games, we have a bye week and 10 games left. How can our cornerbacks be overrated if everyone thinks they suck? Unless that overrated goes with Clayton, then I'd really have to ask for an explanation. Next season, there is certainly no guarantee that Clayton's our number one, things change. Last offseason, we parted ways with a starting linebacker, safety, cornerback, center, fullback, and right tackle. Who's to decide what will happen half a year from now, good or bad. Ozzie has been good at getting lasting talent, but before Flacco, Ozzie couldn't pick quarterbacks either. Maybe he will learn to pick wide receivers soon. With all of that said, let's finish this season first, there's still a lot of football to be played. Or do you want to just throw the white flag now.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Ozzie has been awesome at getting lasting talent, but what happened this year? Yeah Oher was a great pick, but our issues/comcerns coming in this year was at corner and wr...what happened ? He dropped the ball this yr IMO..

[flynismo]

[quote name='wvravensfan' date='20 October 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1256070131' post='263490']
ok but when its half way down the season and are corners still suck and overrated clayton is our main WR next season and mason is retired next season then he will think maybe i shoulda tried someone out besides puting money into old washed up WRs
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Ok. What would you have done then? Keep in mind we have practically no cap space, and nobody wants to trade away their star players.

We can address next season's WR issue in the offseason. I'm just talking about for this season. What would you have done today that Oz didnt do?

[FerrariFan87]

I do, but it still bothers me that he seems to have one foot here and one in Alabama...

[Alexir]

More proof the Eagles have the best GM in football. After an embarassing lost they go out in get a LB from the Rams.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=155945&id=2362

Witherspoon is pretty darn good too if you ever seen him play.

[Bigbell]

[quote name='Alexir' date='20 October 2009 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1256072036' post='263535']
More proof the Eagles have the best GM in football. After an embarassing lost they go out in get a LB from the Rams.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=155945&id=2362

Witherspoon is pretty darn good too if you ever seen him play.
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amen.
I wished we got something. like a DB or a receiver for when Mason retires. And not a number 2 or 3 receiver, a number 1 like Bowe!

[JO_75]

So Much negativity on this board. We lost 3 in a row but come on, there are alot of positives. So let's stop being negative, yes we have a 3 game losing streak but they can and will over come it.

Now to Ozzie, ok yes we needed to make a trade but it didn't happen. Ozzie isn't the worst GM all of a sudden just because he didn't make a trade. There are certain situations that may have came in play that had Ozzie and the FO say no thank you. KC might have upped their offer and wanted too much for Bowe, maybe Rex wanted too much for a CB, we don't know, it might have gone just like that. Or lets see maybe teams are not willing to trade because of the pending situation with no cap.

Think about it, when players are traded to new teams they look for brand new contracts and don't want to be binded to the old contract. Especially young guys, take Braylon for example. Did Rex and the Jets hurry to give Braylon some 6 year deal to keep him a Jet, no and I have reason to believe its due to a pending lock out. Denver is in the same situation, Kyle Orton is on a 1 year deal and will probably get a new deal but I heard on ESPN last night that Denver hasn't talked about a long term deal with him yet because of the potential lock out and no CBA.

If Ozzie is the worst GM for not making a trade than so is 28 other GMs who didn't make a trade either, but I think Owners and GMs are waiting to see if a labor agreement happens. I do think though that the NFL needs to move the trade deadline to week 8 to make it similar to the MLB trade deadline day, teams can make moves to help make a push toward the playoffs and the SB, or teams like KC can deal players to acquire draft picks to help build a future. Done ranting, let's be positive and see how the rest of the season pans out. Go Ravens!!!

[MKdave]

I'll lose my trust for Ozzie when he goes senile and turns into Al Davis. Do you people seriously think you know better than a top NFL GM? If Ozzie says we didn't need to make a trade and one of you guys do, guess who I'm siding with?
Everybody was saying that we needed wideouts before the season. Ozzie was content. And how's our passing attack doing this year? Oh yeah, pretty damn good. This is the man that acquired the pieces for a top 5 defense, year in year out for more than 10 years. Most teams are lucky if they can string 2 years together of a top class unit. Yeah, the offense hasn't been excellent, but that's because we persevered with Boller much too long. He struck out on one quarterback and struck big with another. That's better than alot of GMs in this league.
And another thing, do you guys really think that a knee jerk trade for a corner was going to save the defense? Fabian Washington was a good corner last year, this year he gets benched for performance. What's different? The scheme is different. Mattinson might of been a bad hire (I'm not totally ready to commit to that statement but the early goings obviously aren't positive), but Ozzie had no reason to think that he wouldn't be and no one had genuine reason to believe the D would fall off this much.

[Alexir]

Its one thing if the secondary just sucked. But the fact we cant stop the run just makes me scratch my head. I just want to see them do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to acknowledge the problem besides John saying the same ole Bull shiz. I mean seriously, its obviously Mattisons coaching style, 4-3 defense. Cuz Pagano and Carrier had a great secondary last year.

[Purple Punishment]

While I can agree that the draft could have went better by taking Sean Smith instead of Kruger, we didn't. I trust in Ozzie. Webb is turning out to be a good choice and we will get to see more of him in the Nickel. Oher has been quite a force on our O line. Jason Phillips wasn't a great pickup either. How many LBs do we have already? I know Oz likes the best player available formula but sometimes you have to draft the BPA for a spot you have a need in. Who knows, maybe we would have scored another Marques Colston in a late round receiver. He cannot make great picks all the time folks. Lets get through this season and just be fans of our team. We lose 3 games and everyone wants to jump ship....have faith in your team

[gilgamesh]

I think Ozzie is one of the best GMs out there. He has made mistakes, but he has made a lot of smart decisions, too. No GM is perfect. Even the "we drafted Brady in the sixth round" Patriots made a mistake in signing Galloway. I don't think that the problem is Ozzie. Our secondary is chaotic, they keep slipping or running into each other. Our run defense looked horrible the last two weeks. It will be three weeks if they keep missing tackles or messing up gap control. The most likely source is Mattison, either because players are still getting used to his system or because his system only works in college. I was kind of hoping that we'd make a run for Nolan because we know what he can do. I am not saying to get rid of Mattison just yet, even Nolan had a bad first year with us. 3-3 is not a reason to be calling for peoples heads.

[Bltravens]

Defense needs to go into a base zone coverage as their primary coverages. Clearly we cant cover in man.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 October 2009 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1256075776' post='263599']
Defense needs to go into a base zone coverage as their primary coverages. Clearly we cant cover in man.
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Maybe that will work. With the speed we have at CB maybe???

[Gtown Purple]

I still trust in Ozzie simply because of his overall body of work. The league constantly changes and as with any human he makes mistakes but I have confidence he'll make the changes we need.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Alexir' date='20 October 2009 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1256072036' post='263535']
More proof the Eagles have the best GM in football. After an embarassing lost they go out in get a LB from the Rams.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=155945&id=2362

Witherspoon is pretty darn good too if you ever seen him play.
[/quote]

What kind of proof is that? The eagles scored 9 points against the raiders; don't know what a LB is gonna do to help that. That was the ONLY trade made, so there were obviously not any quality players available.