The Undefeated Broncos

[BigMike]

Here's my thing. I can't give up on my boys. Yes, the defense isn't what it used to be. However, Flacco is a ray of sunshine. Ray Rice is another “ray”. All and all, my boys are who I thought they were. A pretty good team trying to deal with salary caps and so on. This team has the pieces to go into the playoffs. The three loses we had were close fought battles. I think we will be just fine. I believe we will handle the Broncos and go on to a nice playoff run. I will be at the bank to do my part to make sure that is so!!!

Go RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bosanac]

I think we try to run in there, punch them in the mouth with our usual over aggressive play and end up losing something along the lines of 34- 27...

[Andrew Smith]

WHAT!?!? are you serious, i think the patriots and the vikings are better teams than the broncos and we battled both of them till the last second, i think this will be another hard fought game and hopefully we can get the edge

I don't know who made this statement but obviously they aren't paying any attention to the Broncos this year. They already beat the Patriots so that match up is done with... no way the Viking's could hang against this Broncos D. I'd bet the farm on that... old man Favre would get crushed by the blitz they bring.

Next to the Colts I believe this is the best team in the AFC this year... They arguably have the best coaches in the NFL and the most disciplined team playing ball. They have never allowed a team to score in the 4th QTR all year. One things for sure we will be out coached for sure when it comes to Mattison in this chess match. But if Cam opens it up and gets a big lead going into the 2nd half possibly we can win this one

[Andrew Smith]

The biggest difference is this team proved they can close games out and win them down to the wire. Whats our record at down to the wire games?

[J-man]

[quote name='Sovereignty' date='20 October 2009 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1256071389' post='263522']
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=154488

I've been defending us as much as I could lol.
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Dont say anything to jinx us. If we lose, I blame it on you.

[Andrew Smith]

No one should be talking trash to Denver on this one... they could easily dominate us and destroy our reputation for 09 a lot easier then we could crush them. We should just hope for a close game where we don't find a way to beat ourselves for 4 in a row. I would much rather have us get blown out then have it come down to the wire only to screw it up... I can't take another one of these heart breakers

[Bltravens]

To go on what you said Andrew Smith, Mattison will get absolutely worked by Nolan in this game. Basically show him how to run an NFL defense, with the right scheme.

[PuRock]

You know what I hate the most about playing undefeated teams? The incoming fans. They seem to come out of the woodwork when their team is undefeated. All cocky and crap. When we play bad teams, they don't show up. Next week it will be like a Denver fiasco party in here.

I'm hoping we can shut up one of these fanbases with a win.

Good thing is we get Denver at home. I do think we can win this game. Ball protection. Orton isn't going to scare you with the deep threats. We have to make sure we tackle (which will be tough). Their D looks good. But our OL is looking pretty damn good themselves. Plus we should have Gaither back. We can definitely win this game.

We need to bring back the run game and dominate.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='PuRock' date='20 October 2009 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1256094138' post='263793']
You know what I hate the most about playing undefeated teams? The incoming fans. They seem to come out of the woodwork when their team is undefeated. All cocky and crap. When we play bad teams, they don't show up. Next week it will be like a Denver fiasco party in here.

I'm hoping we can shut up one of these fanbases with a win.

Good thing is we get Denver at home. I do think we can win this game. Ball protection. Orton isn't going to scare you with the deep threats. We have to make sure we tackle (which will be tough). Their D looks good. But our OL is looking pretty damn good themselves. Plus we should have Gaither back. We can definitely win this game.

We need to bring back the run game and dominate.
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Not to mention fans in general coming in to a team that they would not have root for in their previous campaign, but since they had a good one, they've been "long term" fans.

5-11 to 11-5 Ahem

[Andrew Smith]

I've loved watching the Ravens play since 2000 when I was on a high school trip at the inner harbor and we ripped the Ravens a new one during the pep rally and what do you know they won the super bowl. I would have been a fan earlier but didn't really care for football since I played baseball and was an Orioles fan. This Ravens team doesn't play well when everyone's stroking them off (the media, the fans). When they are truly the underdogs and get no respect is when they are the most dangerous. Coming on here and pointing out the obvious facts doesn't make anyone any less of a fan. I hope to see the Media continue to call our D a joke and everyone rip this organization to pieces so the real Defense comes out this year with a chip on their shoulder looking to prove something. Lets say this current Ravens team that everyone denies all the defensive flaws makes it into the playoffs we just play one good game and lose down to the wire. We need to light a fire under our D's arse and make it all the way! It breaks my heart seeing guys like Ray Lewis that have stuck around all their career for this city and could have gone to any Super Bowl contender team get stuck on a sinking ship without a chance for a 2nd ring

[reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='20 October 2009 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1256077691' post='263625']
Hi all, yet another Broncos fan here (obviously).
I'm sorry to burst in on your community like this. I very rarely ever go to another team's boards. The thing is, one of our members posted a link to this thread, and I was very impressed with your posts. (Which is understandable after listening to the SD fan's drivel for a week).

There were a couple posts that I thought needed a bit of correction. But believe me, I'm just trying to keep you informed about the Broncos, not trying to start any fights or anything.


First:

I think you'll find that our Rush Defense is quite good in both halves of the game this year. If you can get a run going to keep our Offence off the field, it would be good for you. But I don't think you can do it. We haven't given up 100 yards to a whole team yet this year (And that includes the big run teams of Cincinnati, Dallas, NE, and SD). Our only glaring weakness so far has been the screen passes.


Which leads to the next post:


On the contrary, SD actually ran a ton of screens. Being in their division and watching them closely for years, I'm confident in saying that the screen is Norv Turner's "signature" play. Gruden even commented that he thought Turner has more screen plays than the rest of the NFL combined. That's why Sproles has had such success, is because of the little dump offs.

So, yes, we got beat by the screen quite a bit in the first half. I think more than half of SD's pass yardage was due to screens. But then we made adjustments at the half and stuffed 2 screen attempts early in the 3rd for losses and Norv gave them up.

So, again, sorry to interrupt. I thought you'd like to know. Screens are your best bet.
I think this will be a fairly close game, but really I don't see how the Ravens will win. Our team is too cohesive as a team at the moment. Hopefully the bye week doesn't throw off our juju.
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I dont see how you're "correcting" when you're simply stating an opinion, if correcting is now opinion then I will correct you also.


[QUOTE](And that includes the big run teams of Cincinnati, Dallas, NE, and SD)[/QUOTE]

New England is a pass first offense, since when are they a "big run team"?

San Diego also has the least rushing yards as a team this season, #32.

I'll give you Dallas to an extent but not Cinci, they were just held to only 46 yards rushing against a Texans team giving up 125 on the ground a game.


Our running game will by far be the best you have faced so far this season, better believe it.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Andrew Smith' date='21 October 2009 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1256089191' post='263725']
WHAT!?!? are you serious, [b]i think the patriots and the vikings are better teams than the broncos[/b] and we battled both of them till the last second, i think this will be another hard fought game and hopefully we can get the edge

I don't know who made this statement but obviously they aren't paying any attention to the Broncos this year. They already beat the Patriots so that match up is done with... no way the Viking's could hang against this Broncos D. I'd bet the farm on that... old man Favre would get crushed by the blitz they bring.

Next to the Colts I believe this is the best team in the AFC this year... They arguably have the best coaches in the NFL and the most disciplined team playing ball. They have never allowed a team to score in the 4th QTR all year. One things for sure we will be out coached for sure when it comes to Mattison in this chess match. But if Cam opens it up and gets a big lead going into the 2nd half possibly we can win this one
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Denver's offense isn't hugely explosive, but Orton manages the game well. That defense is incredible though, Mike Nolan has that experienced group doing great work. [u]10 points allowed in the 2nd half [i]all season[/i].[/u] That's incredible!!! They don't give up penalties either. Andre Goodman would be the number one corner on this team by a sizeable margin.

[BroncosDivision]

Sup guys..

First and foremost, I'm not here to talk trash or say rediculous things about your team. I respect the Ravens and coming to town and play in Baltimore is never easy.

I'm pretty impressed by what I've been reading around here. Kudos to you all for showing some respect for my Broncos. I usually don't sign up at other team boards, but I like Ravens and my bro (Ravens fan) is somewhere around here, so yeah...

Anyway, I know it's early and all but it's gonna be a tough game for both teams and I'm not just saying that. Coming in to Baltimore and play the Ravens after a bye.. eh, I have a bad feeling about it.

I don't care your record is, I don't care what all those fools say, you're a better team than 3-3 - period. You guys have lost 3 straight games and that actually worries me the most. People are expecting Broncos to play that game, win and handle Ravens the fourth straight loss, in Baltimore, after a bye. Are you kidding me? Trap game right there!

Bring on the Colts and Steelers, we'll handle them. Ravens, 7-0? Ugh. I hope so!

[darklight1216]

[quote name='reed20' date='21 October 2009 - 06:10 AM' timestamp='1256119843' post='263900']
I'll give you Dallas to an extent but not Cinci, they were just held to only 46 yards rushing against a Texans team giving up 125 on the ground a game.


Our running game will by far be the best you have faced so far this season, better believe it.
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You're right about our running game being better than those other team's.

The fact that the Texans were able to hold Cincy to 46 yards speaks volumes.

[quote name='BroncosDivision' date='21 October 2009 - 08:33 AM' timestamp='1256128410' post='263930']
I don't care your record is, I don't care what all those fools say, you're a better team than 3-3 - period. [b]You guys have lost 3 straight games and that actually worries me the most.[/b] People are expecting Broncos to play that game, win and handle Ravens the fourth straight loss, in Baltimore, after a bye. Are you kidding me? Trap game right there!

Bring on the Colts and Steelers, we'll handle them. Ravens, 7-0? Ugh. I hope so!
[/quote]
I appreciate the fact that you are respectful toward the fans of an opposing team. That's classy.

I just want to point out the fact that the Ravens were supposed to be fired up after the controversial loss to the Patriots and they were not. Brett Favre said he was worried about facing the Ravens after they came off of two straight losses, but he had absolutely no reason to be afraid.

You'll be treated to a good game, just like the last three, but if I were a Broncos fan.--well I'd never be a Broncos fan, but I don't think that you should worry about the losses.

Good luck against the Steelers and Colts though; you'll need it... at least against Indy.

[McBoller]

I dont think either of these teams has reached there potential. Moreno is a very good back waiting to explode. Marshal is a huge playmaker and Royal is up and coming. They run after the catch amazingly well, and we've seen how solid there defense is more from a scheme and coordinator standpoint as opposed to having 11 pro-bowlers...

If the Ravens could figure it out on D we will be set, plain and simple. Flacco makes all the throws he needs to, Rice is slippery as W90 and I think Webb is really gonna help us start winning the battle of field position. If the defense can make half the statement it used to, none of our game remaining will be close!

[funky141]

[quote]Boy, am I not looking forward to this game[/quote]

Why not, when things look down and out thats when a team rises to the top.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='McBoller' date='21 October 2009 - 11:11 AM' timestamp='1256137872' post='263978']
If the Ravens could figure it out on D we will be set, plain and simple. Flacco makes all the throws he needs to, Rice is slippery as W90 and I think Webb is really gonna help us start winning the battle of field position. If the defense can make half the statement it used to, none of our game remaining will be close!
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Isn't it sad that Ravens fans have to say "If the defense can get it together?"

It is almost as though the team is in an alternate universe: the offense is good, but the defense is subpar.

[Andrew Smith]

Anyone notice how Denver's D wouldn't even go into prevent when the Chargers were down by 2 scores with only a minute left. That's the difference between greatness and Mattison

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 October 2009 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1256066990' post='263447']
Dawkins was out for most of that game with a Hamstring injury. Obviously what I say is opinion because if it was fact then id go bet on the game lol. But I like to think its somewhat educated opinion after watching 3 broncos games and 5 ravens games this year. DJ Williams is athletic enough to limit Rice's damage in this game. And their corners are more than capable to limit Mason on 3rd downs. Their run D is just as stout mainly because they all swarm to the ball carrier. Their defense after playing 4 very capable offenses (Dallas, Cincy, NE, SD) is ranked 1st in points with 11 thats nasty, 2nd in yards, 7th against the pass, and 4th against the run. This game is not going to be easy, and I dont mean in a "well every team in the NFL is good" kind of way. We lose this game and we have to win 8 of our next 9 to have a chance at playoffs, and this is a game that poses serious matchup problems.
[/quote]

Fair enough but I disagree. As a Hurricane fan, I know how athletic D.J. Williams is. However, the Ravens have faced defenses with some very athletic LBs(Rivers, and none of them have been able to limit Rice.

Champ is playing at a Pro Bowl level again and Goodman is a decent corner but if they put Mason in motion, he'll catch passes. And even if Champ is able to limit him, there's no reason Washington, Heap and Clayton can't shoulder the receiving load.

There are match-up problems in EVERY NFL game. Good coaching and execution can negate those problems.

[quote name='Andrew Smith' date='21 October 2009 - 12:00 PM' timestamp='1256140843' post='264015']
Anyone notice how Denver's D wouldn't even go into prevent when the Chargers were down by 2 scores with only a minute left. That's the difference between greatness and Mattison
[/quote]

I wouldn't call it [i]greatness[/i]. It's good coaching. Nolan knew he could bring the house because he has two two-future HOF DBs and two solid veteran DBs playing in the defensive backfield.

And wasn't Rex the one known for going into the prevent defense? We all blame the corners but where have the pass rush and safeties been?

[FerrariFan87]

This game could go either way, but if we don't get pressure on Orton, he will tear us apart.

[macbrak]

I think Gaither will help to open up the game early.
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[WinnipegRaven]

/|\ I hope the Ravens are drinking what the Broncos are drinking too!

[darklight1216]

I love those pictures, Macbrak. Too bad I missed the Vikings one...

[Bronco_Hyde]

[quote name='reed20' date='21 October 2009 - 04:10 AM' timestamp='1256119843' post='263900']
I dont see how you're "correcting" when you're simply stating an opinion, if correcting is now opinion then I will correct you also.




New England is a pass first offense, since when are they a "big run team"?

San Diego also has the least rushing yards as a team this season, #32.

I'll give you Dallas to an extent but not Cinci, they were just held to only 46 yards rushing against a Texans team giving up 125 on the ground a game.


Our running game will by far be the best you have faced so far this season, better believe it.
[/quote]

Fair enough. Instead of "correcting" I'll call it "offering another opinion"

You probably have a point with NE. They are a pass first.

As for San Diego, they might not have performed this year, but LT and Sproles are have historically been a big run threat.

Dallas was the #1 Rushing offense when we played them. They dropped in standings because of us.

And Cinci, one bad game doesn't make them a bad rushing team (Case in point, Dallas against us). Look at what Cinci did against you. They had 142 Rush Yards compared to the 82 you had against them. If you're claiming you're a better Rushing offense, these numbers would point the opposite way. Whereas Cinci only had 86 against the Broncos.


I don't doubt that you'll be one of the better rushing teams we've faced thus far, but I'm just saying I wouldn't count on a lot of success, especially in the 2nd half.

[XxSizzleXx]

I see this game as being the TURNING POINT for the season, if we win we could get rolling and if we lose, well lets just hope we don't blow a tire.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='21 October 2009 - 12:42 PM' timestamp='1256150536' post='264121']
Fair enough. Instead of "correcting" I'll call it "offering another opinion"

You probably have a point with NE. They are a pass first.

As for San Diego, they might not have performed this year, but LT and Sproles are have historically been a big run threat.

Dallas was the #1 Rushing offense when we played them. They dropped in standings because of us.

And Cinci, one bad game doesn't make them a bad rushing team (Case in point, Dallas against us). Look at what Cinci did against you. They had 142 Rush Yards compared to the 82 you had against them. [b]If you're claiming you're a better Rushing offense, these numbers would point the opposite way.[/b] Whereas Cinci only had 86 against the Broncos.


I don't doubt that you'll be one of the better rushing teams we've faced thus far, but I'm just saying I wouldn't count on a lot of success, especially in the 2nd half.
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Hello Hyde, welcome to the Raven's forums. i just wanted to make two points; one, Ray Rice leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage, and two, McGahee was leading the league in TDs before Rice starting earning more of the carries due to point one.

[Buckin Bronco]

Another long-time Bronco fan here. I've been a fan since '87 so I've stuck with them through the rough times as well as the Super Bowl years. I've always had much respect for the Ravens and how they have approached the game on defense. I've always said if I wasn't a Broncos fan I would be a Raven fan.

Now on to the upcoming game. The Broncos have the best coaching staff in the league. I believe this not because I'm a homer but because the turn-around on this team has been so dramatic from last year that it can't be denied. McDaniels is very good at recognizing the match-ups and exploiting them. He takes what the defense gives him and that's smart. Nolan is the master of 2nd half adjustments, hence the 10 points given up all season during the second half.

We have talent at every position on offense (Scheffler, Marshall, Royal, Moreno, Buchhalter, Clady and yes Orton). The defensive secondary is elite. I'm not afraid to say it. I would put Bailey, Dawkins, Hill and Goodman up against anyone. The Bronco D-line is vastly different from last year. Though still undersized at NT and DE they hold their own and with Nolan's aggressive play-calling they are not forced to stand in one spot and eat up space. They can and do collapse the pocket forcing the opposing QB to rush his passes. They are very active. Dumervil - what needs to be said..he's a beast and leads the league in sacks with 10. DJ - consistent good tackler that can do it all. Davis - He was the Browns leader in tackles the last 3 out of 4 years (their loss is our gain..he can do it all).

As far as the Ravens go..I think they will play the Broncos tough. What worries me about the Ravens? Rice. That guy is a beast. I absolutely love to watch him play. What a talent! I believe the Ravens can hurt the Broncos with screen passes. I think screen passes would force the Broncos to ease up on the blitzing to some degree and that will open up the medium-range passes. I don't foresee any long pass completions because Hill is usually kept deep to prevent the big play and it has worked in every game this season. Short, quick passes might do some damage. I don't see the Ravens being successful running the ball. The Broncos stuffed Dallas and Cinci and forced them to pass and they are both better running teams than the Ravens.

On paper, the Broncos should win. If you go by history the Ravens should win. I think it's a toss-up because the Ravens have to win this game to stay competitive in their division and the Broncos don't. We are 3 1/2 games up on the Chargers and they look lousy.

By the way, I think the Ravens should have beat the Vikings. The Vikings aren't as good as their record shows and they will be exposed for what they are...a really lucky team. Good luck with the rest of your schedule, after the Broncos and I'll be rootin for yall. Yall finally got the offense you've always wanted now if the D decides to show up the sky's the limit.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Buckin Bronco' date='21 October 2009 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1256160668' post='264263']
Another long-time Bronco fan here. I've been a fan since '87 so I've stuck with them through the rough times as well as the Super Bowl years. I've always had much respect for the Ravens and how they have approached the game on defense. I've always said if I wasn't a Broncos fan I would be a Raven fan.

Now on to the upcoming game. The Broncos have the best coaching staff in the league. I believe this not because I'm a homer but because the turn-around on this team has been so dramatic from last year that it can't be denied. McDaniels is very good at recognizing the match-ups and exploiting them. He takes what the defense gives him and that's smart. Nolan is the master of 2nd half adjustments, hence the 10 points given up all season during the second half.

We have talent at every position on offense (Scheffler, Marshall, Royal, Moreno, Buchhalter, Clady and yes Orton). The defensive secondary is elite. I'm not afraid to say it. I would put Bailey, Dawkins, Hill and Goodman up against anyone. The Bronco D-line is vastly different from last year. Though still undersized at NT and DE they hold their own and with Nolan's aggressive play-calling they are not forced to stand in one spot and eat up space. They can and do collapse the pocket forcing the opposing QB to rush his passes. They are very active. Dumervil - what needs to be said..he's a beast and leads the league in sacks with 10. DJ - consistent good tackler that can do it all. Davis - He was the Browns leader in tackles the last 3 out of 4 years (their loss is our gain..he can do it all).

As far as the Ravens go..I think they will play the Broncos tough. What worries me about the Ravens? Rice. That guy is a beast. I absolutely love to watch him play. What a talent! I believe the Ravens can hurt the Broncos with screen passes. I think screen passes would force the Broncos to ease up on the blitzing to some degree and that will open up the medium-range passes. I don't foresee any long pass completions because Hill is usually kept deep to prevent the big play and it has worked in every game this season. Short, quick passes might do some damage. I don't see the Ravens being successful running the ball. The Broncos stuffed Dallas and Cinci and forced them to pass and they are both better running teams than the Ravens.

On paper, the Broncos should win. If you go by history the Ravens should win. I think it's a toss-up because the Ravens have to win this game to stay competitive in their division and the Broncos don't. We are 3 1/2 games up on the Chargers and they look lousy.

By the way, I think the Ravens should have beat the Vikings. The Vikings aren't as good as their record shows and they will be exposed for what they are...a really lucky team. Good luck with the rest of your schedule, after the Broncos and I'll be rootin for yall. Yall finally got the offense you've always wanted now if the D decides to show up the sky's the limit.
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Dallas and Cincy run the ball better than us?? Fail.
Sorry that is almost laughable. Rice is averaging like 6.0 YPC and McGahee is around 5.0 YPC. I know Elvis has been racking up the sacks, but that wont do Denver much good when Rice is running it 20 yards upfield the other way.

I do think you will contain our deep passes, since our receivers pretty much suck, other than Mason. But it won't be a necessity either. We don't put up all these points each week by thowing bombs, as we will see in a couple weeks.

Should be a great game; I look forward to it. But I am curious as to why you think "on paper" Denver should win? Shutting down our offense wont be as simple as smacking around Dallas and Cincy's offense was.

[reed20]

[quote name='Bronco_Hyde' date='21 October 2009 - 02:42 PM' timestamp='1256150536' post='264121']
Fair enough. Instead of "correcting" I'll call it "offering another opinion"

You probably have a point with NE. They are a pass first.

As for San Diego, they might not have performed this year, but LT and Sproles are have historically been a big run threat.

Dallas was the #1 Rushing offense when we played them. They dropped in standings because of us.

And Cinci, one bad game doesn't make them a bad rushing team (Case in point, Dallas against us). Look at what Cinci did against you. They had 142 Rush Yards compared to the 82 you had against them. If you're claiming you're a better Rushing offense, these numbers would point the opposite way. Whereas Cinci only had 86 against the Broncos.


I don't doubt that you'll be one of the better rushing teams we've faced thus far, but I'm just saying I wouldn't count on a lot of success, especially in the 2nd half.
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Cedric Benson getting over 100 on us is mostly because of our problems against the pass. As you may see in week 8 when we play, our secondary is HORRID. Its really hard to contain the running game 24/7 when the passing continues to keep the drive alive. Cinci's running game isnt special, cedric benson is above average at best.. not saying every coach shouldnt gameplan for them but they really dont have any playmakers in that position like we do.

[Bosanac]

ugh are you freakin serious..