The Undefeated Broncos

[Ed_Reed20]

Nolan dialing up the blitz late in the game doesn't surprise me but did anyone see how hard that front seven was charging down the field? I think L.T. was blown up on consecutive plays trying to block D.J. Williams and Elvis Dumervil wrecked San Diego's tackles whenever he wanted to. Their entire secondary is over 30 and yet they look as solid a unit as you can get even though Goodman occasionally gives up plays.

I was actually jealous...

[flygunit88]

i think this will be a fairly easy win for the broncos...i dont think we win until the cincy game comes around hopefully but thats just my opinion...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flygunit88' date='20 October 2009 - 01:49 PM' timestamp='1256060986' post='263354']
[b]i think this will be a fairly easy win for the broncos.[/b]..i dont think we win until the cincy game comes around hopefully but thats just my opinion...
[/quote]

How? If the Chargers' special teams didn't implode twice, they might have won that game. The Ravens have drawn some penalties on special teams but they haven't been gashed by return-men like they were last year.

[reediddy]

I don't think Dumervil will have nearly as much pass-rushing success against us like he did against San Diego (he was abusing Jeromey Clary, ever heard of him???). Michael Oher did a superb job against arguably the best pass-rusher in the league in Jared Allen, and I think he will do just as good a job, maybe better, against Dumervil. And then the day after, Dumervil will start talking just like Allen...

[flygunit88]

i just think that the denver broncos are more of a complete and solid team...and they are playing together really well under the new coach..they have a offense that will give the ravens secondary alot of trouble..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flygunit88' date='20 October 2009 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1256061778' post='263367']
i just think that the denver broncos are more of a complete and solid team...and they are playing together really well under the new coach..they have a offense that will give the ravens secondary alot of trouble..
[/quote]

Good points. However, San Diego has seen both their offensive and defensive lines decimated by injuries. That hasn't happened with the Ravens. Gaither should be back after the bye and so I believe the offense will have success running the ball.

It's on defense where the problems could arise(still can't believe I'm saying this). The Broncos have two great tackles and unless Suggs, J.J. and Pryce bring their A+ game or Mattison brings the heat, Orton will have all day to throw like he did yesterday.

[Bltravens]

This game is scary for a lot of reason. If we thought out pass rush was bad before its going to be virtually non existant without 6 man blitzes in this game, Denver has arguably a top Oline unit in the entire league. They run a vast variety of formations on offense, and execute them all well. Orton manages that offense and puts up yards prob better than anyone Ive seen in a game manager role. Moreno is a capable back that can run inside and outside as well as catch the ball almost as well as Rice does. Their WR are going to have a field day on our corners, just imagine how many tackles Marshall is going to break on our soft corners especially considering the kind of cushion theyll give him. They should be fine with Royal because hes finally a WR thats a comparable player to our corners. Gaffney knows their offense inside and out, and should appear over the middle frequently. Their defense will shutdown our outside recievers for the most part, Mason is going to have a tough day with Champ, Clayton is going to need to do something consistently for a change. DJ Williams is as athletic a LB as there is in the entire league he does it all and he does it all well, nothing exceptional but hes a well rounded LB that can do everything. Add Dawkins sniffing around the box, and Dumerville on the edge against Oher and this could be a long day. I really am not looking forward to this game, to say this matchup worries me is an understatement.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 October 2009 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1256063767' post='263395']
This game is scary for a lot of reason. If we thought out pass rush was bad before its going to be virtually non existant without 6 man blitzes in this game, Denver has arguably a top Oline unit in the entire league. They run a vast variety of formations on offense, and execute them all well. Orton manages that offense and puts up yards prob better than anyone Ive seen in a game manager role. Moreno is a capable back that can run inside and outside as well as catch the ball almost as well as Rice does. Their WR are going to have a field day on our corners, just imagine how many tackles Marshall is going to break on our soft corners especially considering the kind of cushion theyll give him. They should be fine with Royal because hes finally a WR thats a comparable player to our corners. Gaffney knows their offense inside and out, and should appear over the middle frequently. Their defense will shutdown our outside recievers for the most part, Mason is going to have a tough day with Champ, Clayton is going to need to do something consistently for a change. DJ Williams is as athletic a LB as there is in the entire league he does it all and he does it all well, nothing exceptional but hes a well rounded LB that can do everything. Add Dawkins sniffing around the box, and Dumerville on the edge against Oher and this could be a long day. I really am not looking forward to this game, to say this matchup worries me is an understatement.
[/quote]

A lot of what you said is fact but a lot of it is opinion too. You're entitled to your opinion but why talk in absolutes when the team is two weeks away from playing a game?

After the receivers did almost nothing against Cincy, do you really think Cam is going to go into a game without a plan? It's not like none of the players on their defense have zero weaknesses. Norv Turner did a terrible job of adjusting when it was clear the Broncos were bringing the heat. Other than one game, Cam has shown he can make major adjustments IN games. Dawkins is still a good player but he didn't prove he can stop Antonio Gates yesterday. Granted, Heap isn't Gates athletically but he can still work the deep middle.

[Bullrush]

Not sure who's gonna cover Marshall. Maybe Walker, he's our most physical corner and he's pretty solid in coverage. Don't want to see Foxworth or Fabian anywhere near Marshall. That being said i'm not really worried, we should win this game. It will come down to our run defense and our running game on offense. Gaither needs to shut down Dumervil, if he does that Flacco should be able to throw a couple touchdown passes. Rice will do the rest on the ground.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='flygunit88' date='20 October 2009 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1256060986' post='263354']
[b]i think this will be a fairly easy win for the broncos[/b]...i dont think we win until the cincy game comes around hopefully but thats just my opinion...
[/quote]
WHAT!?!? are you serious, i think the patriots and the vikings are better teams than the broncos and we battled both of them till the last second, i think this will be another hard fought game and hopefully we can get the edge

[Ed_Reed20]

Marshall could abuse most corners in the league. The best thing to do is have the secondary play a Tampa 2 and tell Ed Reed to stay in position. I understand his freelancing ways are what he's had success with but for the good of the team, he needs to play in the system.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='20 October 2009 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1256064897' post='263414']
A lot of what you said is fact but a lot of it is opinion too. You're entitled to your opinion but why talk in absolutes when the team is two weeks away from playing a game?

After the receivers did almost nothing against Cincy, do you really think Cam is going to go into a game without a plan? It's not like none of the players on their defense have zero weaknesses. Norv Turner did a terrible job of adjusting when it was clear the Broncos were bringing the heat. Other than one game, Cam has shown he can make major adjustments IN games. Dawkins is still a good player but he didn't prove he can stop Antonio Gates yesterday. Granted, Heap isn't Gates athletically but he can still work the deep middle.
[/quote]
Dawkins was out for most of that game with a Hamstring injury. Obviously what I say is opinion because if it was fact then id go bet on the game lol. But I like to think its somewhat educated opinion after watching 3 broncos games and 5 ravens games this year. DJ Williams is athletic enough to limit Rice's damage in this game. And their corners are more than capable to limit Mason on 3rd downs. Their run D is just as stout mainly because they all swarm to the ball carrier. Their defense after playing 4 very capable offenses (Dallas, Cincy, NE, SD) is ranked 1st in points with 11 thats nasty, 2nd in yards, 7th against the pass, and 4th against the run. This game is not going to be easy, and I dont mean in a "well every team in the NFL is good" kind of way. We lose this game and we have to win 8 of our next 9 to have a chance at playoffs, and this is a game that poses serious matchup problems.

[Sovereignty]

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=154488

I've been defending us as much as I could lol.

[flygunit88]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 October 2009 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1256066990' post='263447']
Dawkins was out for most of that game with a Hamstring injury. Obviously what I say is opinion because if it was fact then id go bet on the game lol. But I like to think its somewhat educated opinion after watching 3 broncos games and 5 ravens games this year. DJ Williams is athletic enough to limit Rice's damage in this game. And their corners are more than capable to limit Mason on 3rd downs. Their run D is just as stout mainly because they all swarm to the ball carrier. Their defense after playing 4 very capable offenses (Dallas, Cincy, NE, SD) is ranked 1st in points with 11 thats nasty, 2nd in yards, 7th against the pass, and 4th against the run. This game is not going to be easy, and I dont mean in a "well every team in the NFL is good" kind of way. We lose this game and we have to win 8 of our next 9 to have a chance at playoffs, and this is a game that poses serious matchup problems.
[/quote]

looks like some facts to me..already made my bet...hate to feel this way but i see a 5-13 season cause suddenly the RAIDERS even look good....lol

[flygunit88]

i hope im wrong and its the other way around...13-5..i know they can do it...the defense needs to step up...and this would be a good team to get some confidence from and start the winning cycle over again...

[Bltravens]

you do realize we play 16 games right?

[Alexir]

going 13-3 will not happen at this point. I would be surprised if we won next week. Mattison, get your $#!% together: 3-4 Defense. Freaking do it.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='flygunit88' date='20 October 2009 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1256072782' post='263553']
i hope im wrong and its the other way around...13-5..i know they can do it...the defense needs to step up...and this would be a good team to get some confidence from and start the winning cycle over again...
[/quote]
There are only 16 games in the season.

13+5=18

As for the Broncos: I don't think we stand a chance. The Broncos offense has been efficient, but when they face us, they will probably look like the Saints... okay, slight exaggeration, but I don't think it's going be pretty.
Our offense might (and that's a big might) overcome the odds, but the Ravens will probably fall short just like they have everytime they've faced a good opponent this year.

However, if the defense can get itself together we might not have to suffer through four straight losses.

Either way, I think we'll see our team on the replay for the fourth time in a row, and the sixth time this season.

[Jamal]

Boy, am I not looking forward to this game.

[Orange&Blue19]

Hey all, Broncos fan here! I rarely go to other teams message boards, but seeing as though you guys are in my top 3 favorite teams, and that you have my favorite non-bronco on your team, I thought I'd stop in and have some good convo for the 13 days leading to game day!

First off, I am extremely surprised by our team, and I will stay straight up, I never saw this coming. Nolan has seriously transformed our defense, and having a play like BDawk leading the team, has helped us a ton! Orton is a great game manager, and now that BMarsh has his head in the game, he is a force once again. We are a very dangerous team I am not going to lie, and our second half stats are insane. We have out scored opponents 79-10 in the second half, as well has only allowed 2 of 35 3rd down conversions. I'm not trying to be cocky, just showing how SURPRISED I am of how well my team is playing.

Now onto the Ravens. I respect your guys team a ton, and almost always root for you unless it comes down to the Broncos making the playoffs, or if you are playing the Broncos. The Ravens and Eagles are my 2 favorite teams, other than the Broncos of course. My favorite non-bronco is Ed Reed by a mile. I love the dude, he is an amazing player, and always exciting to watch. I really do think you guys should be 5-1. Your defense just gave up on Cincy during that last drive unfortunately, and against the Vikings, your kicker missed that field goal which was a bummer.

I really do think this weeks game is going to be an extremely close, well fought game. We are both coming off bye weeks, but you guys obviously have more to play for with the 3 straight losses, and I do hope you guys bring your A game so it is a fun game to watch. I wish you guys the best of luck all season, besides this game, and I do hope this game is a very physical, well fought battle, w/o any injuries though. I will stick around for the 13 leading up to the game, and occasionally after!

[Perfekt]

i love my team as much as any other ravens fan but to think they we may not lose this game would be crazy. do i think we can beat them yes but we need to make major changes.

1st we need to fix our scheme because its not working.
2nd we need to keep carr off the field.
3rd we need to stick to taking what the defense is giving us. if the passing game is working keep throwing it because that will open up the running lanes.
4th and i feel the most important we need to play with a sense of urgency and get over this bull**** attitude of thinking that we are ok when we are not.

[Bltravens]

We have to play defense that limits them to under 17 to have a chance to win this game.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='Perfekt' date='20 October 2009 - 05:29 PM' timestamp='1256074148' post='263574']
i love my team as much as any other ravens fan but to think they we may not lose this game would be crazy. do i think we can beat them yes but we need to make major changes.

1st we need to fix our scheme because its not working.
2nd we need to keep carr off the field.
3rd we need to stick to taking what the defense is giving us. if the passing game is working keep throwing it because that will open up the running lanes.
4th and i feel the most important we need to play with a sense of urgency and get over this bull**** attitude of thinking that we are ok when we are not.
[/quote]
the offense is ok i guess...other than that I cant stand this team right now. The coaching staff are old school hard heads, and ozzie is set in his ways also. I dislike the cowboys and redskins but one thing you can say is they dont play it safe. Y not trade Kruger, he was drafted 2nd round for 3-4...and wont c the field

[J-man]

Where are all these Broncos fans coming from?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ravensfolife' date='20 October 2009 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1256075621' post='263598']
the offense is ok i guess...other than that I cant stand this team right now. The coaching staff are old school hard heads, and ozzie is set in his ways also. I dislike the cowboys and redskins but one thing you can say is they dont play it safe. Y not trade Kruger, he was drafted 2nd round for 3-4...and wont c the field
[/quote]
Ill wait to see Kruger on the field before i downgrade his pick value in the draft the next year. If the coaches were actually hard head oldschool guys then we would have seen our secondary would have been chewed out on national tv, pretty much every game. And our corners would have been sat down a long time ago.

[ravenwildman]

It depends on which Ravens team shows up on that day,

The awsome, fired up, super balanced, football machine that we saw before the Bengals game? or the team that played in the Bengals game and the first half of the Vikings game?

In the 3-4th quarter last week somehow, the Ravens I know and love suddenly appeared on the field. If [u]that [/u]team takes the field from now on.... it's a done deal to win every week!

The Ravens have what it takes, to take it all. Will they?

What can we do? Nothing. This is something that experts, trades, free agents, and coaches can't fix. Only way to fix this is for each player to look at themselves (and each other) and answer the big question:

How can I help us win?

GO RAVENS!

[Bronco_Hyde]

Hi all, yet another Broncos fan here (obviously).
I'm sorry to burst in on your community like this. I very rarely ever go to another team's boards. The thing is, one of our members posted a link to this thread, and I was very impressed with your posts. (Which is understandable after listening to the SD fan's drivel for a week).

There were a couple posts that I thought needed a bit of correction. But believe me, I'm just trying to keep you informed about the Broncos, not trying to start any fights or anything.


First:
[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='20 October 2009 - 07:47 AM' timestamp='1256039234' post='263173']
What do we need to do? We need to not give up 30 points on defense. And we need to run the ball [i]much[/i] more than 18 times! Not because we can't pass, but because it will keep our defense off the field and give the Broncos very limited opportunities to develop any kind of chemistry on offense.
[/quote]
I think you'll find that our Rush Defense is quite good in both halves of the game this year. If you can get a run going to keep our Offence off the field, it would be good for you. But I don't think you can do it. We haven't given up 100 yards to a whole team yet this year (And that includes the big run teams of Cincinnati, Dallas, NE, and SD). Our only glaring weakness so far has been the screen passes.


Which leads to the next post:

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='20 October 2009 - 07:54 AM' timestamp='1256039652' post='263177'] I don't recall the Chargers running one screen pass last night(yes, I'm sure there were a couple), and that is how you stop the opponent from blitzing. Ravens love to throw to Ray Rice. They also have a much better offensive line.
[/quote]
On the contrary, SD actually ran a ton of screens. Being in their division and watching them closely for years, I'm confident in saying that the screen is Norv Turner's "signature" play. Gruden even commented that he thought Turner has more screen plays than the rest of the NFL combined. That's why Sproles has had such success, is because of the little dump offs.

So, yes, we got beat by the screen quite a bit in the first half. I think more than half of SD's pass yardage was due to screens. But then we made adjustments at the half and stuffed 2 screen attempts early in the 3rd for losses and Norv gave them up.

So, again, sorry to interrupt. I thought you'd like to know. Screens are your best bet.
I think this will be a fairly close game, but really I don't see how the Ravens will win. Our team is too cohesive as a team at the moment. Hopefully the bye week doesn't throw off our juju.

[kidrock]

Keys to the game:

1. Power run blocking by Gaither and Oher. We need to establish this so that our offesne can stay on the field and tire out their defense. Also, this will allow our defense to rest.

2. Strong secondary tackling, especially on Marshall

3. Lardarius Webb bringing us to the 35-45 on every kick return


I think Webb really sparks our offense when he jumps us out to the 40 (unlike Carr fumbling or bring it back to the 17)

[gilgamesh]

Denver's defense is aggressive but they are also aware and fast. Chargers ran a lot of screens. The safeties and linebackers just bolted to the ballcarrier. They were able to get yards on a couple though.

For the first time in years, I'm worried about the entire offense of the opposing team. Orton is a smart passer. They have a spectacular O-line, so Orton gets time to survey the field (he will even throw it away if no one's open)and the RB's get yards before they are even touched. Brandon Marshall is a big mismatch, and I feel even worse about Carr/Walker/Landry/Linebackers on their tight end.

This might be a shootout if we can contain their pass rush, that's a big if. I can only hope it's enough time for Gaither to recover, Yanda is not getting it done and Dumervil can blitz from either side. I don't mind him taking Chester's place though. Either way, this will be a tough game to win on offense, defense and special teams. Denver has been playing great football. Looking at the past weeks, I have to say that Denver wins, but that's why the game is played (see Raiders vs )

[Alexir]

How is it that every fan I have talked to and every fan on here says Carr sucks yet the coaching staff wont make any changes. I mean this many fans cant be wrong. Cut Carr.