So Who Decided Not To Sign Stover Back Again?

[Gtown Purple]

It's something different each week. That's the kicker....


[quote name='PuRock' date='19 October 2009 - 10:49 AM' timestamp='1255963753' post='262205']
You know what the problem is. There are lapses by all players. We can't point the finger at one player for any of our 3 losses. They've all lapsed at some point this season. If you list everything that's gone wrong, everybody's name gets listed. Guys aren't being consistent enough. It's easy to point the finger at the person that screwed up the last play, or missed the big play. But we are losing as a team.

Haush misses the kick, Clayton drops the ball, Flacco throws two long, Foxworth falling down, frank walker getting PIs, Ray Lewis roughing call, Cams off play-calling, Mason's missed reception, Ed Reed disapperance at times and Bad Refs.
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[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='shore' date='19 October 2009 - 08:13 AM' timestamp='1255957995' post='262119']
I knew when they cut Stover it would cost us a game and now it has.Also how stupid was it to let Bart Scott go 2 100 yard runners back to back fellow Raven fans the playoffs are now out of reach you heard it here first.
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Oh yes, one game behind Pitts and Cincy and the playoffs are out of reach. How funny, considering last year at week 7 we were... bet you can't guess. 3-3, how odd. Where did we end up last year, I cannot remember for the life of me. Oh...wait, that's right, the AFC Championship game. Yes, the defense this year is not the defense of last year, but we can and will win games. The point is, everyone thought we were dead in the water last year around this time, and we proved them wrong.

I also love how we "let Bart Scott go". If a player leaves and performs badly, then the nay sayers say "Heh, guess he shouldn't have left". Now, if that same person leaves and does well, then we hear "We shouldn't have let him go". Scott wanted to go, if I remember correctly, we tried to keep him, but Ryan wanted him more. Sometimes players leave because, you know, they want to leave.

But yeah, on topic, Stover wouldn't have made that kick for certain. There still is a chance that he would have missed too. I'm all for giving Hauschka some more time to hone his kicking skills, he's still young.

[admartian]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='20 October 2009 - 06:38 AM' timestamp='1255977491' post='262485']
Oh yes, one game behind Pitts and Cincy and the playoffs are out of reach. How funny, considering last year at week 7 we were... bet you can't guess. 3-3, how odd. Where did we end up last year, I cannot remember for the life of me. Oh...wait, that's right, the AFC Championship game. Yes, the defense this year is not the defense of last year, but we can and will win games. The point is, [b]everyone thought we were dead in the water last year around this time, and we proved them wrong.
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I also love how we "let Bart Scott go". If a player leaves and performs badly, then the nay sayers say "Heh, guess he shouldn't have left". Now, if that same person leaves and does well, then we hear "We shouldn't have let him go". Scott wanted to go, if I remember correctly, we tried to keep him, but Ryan wanted him more. Sometimes players leave because, you know, they want to leave.

But yeah, on topic, Stover wouldn't have made that kick for certain. There still is a chance that he would have missed too. I'm all for giving Hauschka some more time to hone his kicking skills, he's still young.
[/quote]But how does that logic even worse? If our good defense last year can win it, how does a worse defense make that more possible?

Sure, our offense is good now. But what difference does that make if out D can't make a stop? If our Kicker can't make a play?

It's redundant.

Look, I'm not saying we won't win, just saying some of the logic used by some is flawed.

Hope we win, regardless of how we do it though. The best we can hope for is the league lays off on the bad calls and that our O turns more into New Orleans or SD.

[ravens27]

[quote name='SaVaGe' date='18 October 2009 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1255897589' post='260900']
Matt Stover 2008 - Longest 47 Yards Makes 27/33, 41/41 XP but apparently he doesn't have a leg anymore. I mean why would the colts go sign him then?
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I heard that Stover was making 52 yard field goals during his tryouts with the Indianapolis Colts.

Although I don't think Hauschka is the answer at kicker, I don't think we should totally give up on him. I know Stover was automatic, but who really knows if he would have made it. Nothing is guaranteed.

I don't think finding another kicker is all that hard. There are probably some good undrafted kickers out there.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='admartian' date='19 October 2009 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1255977908' post='262497']
But how does that logic even worse? If our good defense last year can win it, how does a worse defense make that more possible?

Sure, our offense is good now. But what difference does that make if out D can't make a stop? If our Kicker can't make a play?

It's redundant.

Look, I'm not saying we won't win, just saying some of the logic used by some is flawed.

Hope we win, regardless of how we do it though. The best we can hope for is the league lays off on the bad calls and that our O turns more into New Orleans or SD.
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Apparently you missed the point completely, so do not call my logic "flawed". The logic is a 3-3 start is not the end of the season. Which it is not, especially when we have a bye after those 3 losses to get our priorities straight. So I'd appreciate you to not call my logic flawed when you obviously do not understand my point. I'm not saying we won't lose, just saying the reading skills of some are flawed.

[quote name='ravens27' date='19 October 2009 - 02:11 PM' timestamp='1255979493' post='262546']
I heard that Stover was making 52 yard field goals during his tryouts with the Indianapolis Colts.

Although I don't think Hauschka is the answer at kicker, I don't think we should totally give up on him. I know Stover was automatic, but who really knows if he would have made it. Nothing is guaranteed.

I don't think finding another kicker is all that hard. There are probably some good undrafted kickers out there.
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Correct, Stover [i]was[/i] automatic. Keyword was. His accuracy is fine, but his leg strength has diminished. He may have been making 52 yards in tryouts, but how consistent was he in those 40 yard plus kicks? Probably not very.

[Raven52fan]

[quote name='superd' date='18 October 2009 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1255914109' post='261565']
Stover would have made that kick. Stover was great is clutch situations. Stover should be on our roster and use Haushka as a place kicker. It worked for us many many times in the past. And for the people who say Stover wouldn't of made it. [b]I can't wait until he hits a 44+ field goal for Indy. I bet he will. As much as I hate Indy I hope he makes a 44 yard game winning field goal for them next week[/b]. To show Whoever in the hell made the decision to get rid of him that they blew it. And blame the Defense all you want. NFL Games come down to the wire all the time. And big players make big plays. And Great kickers make game winning kicks. You don't look back at the PATS And say wow they played terrible that game there lucky Vinatieri bailed them out. Our team turned around and got it done. We weren't out played. We changed the whole game around. We couldn't shut the door because of 1 bad decision this week. It's worst than Clayton's dropped pass. Because we had a player who could do it and we let him go.
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Thats pretty funny. Okay, so lets get this straight. Rivers threw all over our defense, as well as Palmer, Favre, Brady. You really actually think, with Peyton back there they would actually kick a 44 yarder. All those other guys are great in there own way, but Peyton reads us all too well, hell, he's proved it the past 3 years when he's played us. Not to mention, our CB's are worse than last year! I'm happy for Stover, now he gets to see the playoffs on a more regular basis. Possibly a Super Bowl this year.

[superd]

[quote name='Raven52fan' date='19 October 2009 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1255979944' post='262557']
Thats pretty funny. Okay, so lets get this straight. Rivers threw all over our defense, as well as Palmer, Favre, Brady. You really actually think, with Peyton back there they would actually kick a 44 yarder. All those other guys are great in there own way, but Peyton reads us all too well, hell, he's proved it the past 3 years when he's played us. Not to mention, our CB's are worse than last year! I'm happy for Stover, now he gets to see the playoffs on a more regular basis. Possibly a Super Bowl this year.
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Yeah with Peyton if they were on the 27 Yard line and it was 4th down they would kick a 44 yard field goal. Are you stupid? Just because teams throw all over us doesn't mean there not going to be put in a position to kick a field goal. And even with the reputation were earning right now doesn't mean teams are going to go for it on 4th down just because they think they can pass all over us thats just doesn't happen. The Colts will be put in a position to kick a field goal. I can bet on that.

[neepo13]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' date='19 October 2009 - 04:21 AM' timestamp='1255940493' post='262047']
If he made the kick this thread wouldn't exist. Please.
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But he didnt make, which is why it does exist. This isnt an issue thats new. There were concerns about whether he could make the kick with the game on the line going into the preseason and its going to be an issue until he proves he can. So far he's failed.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='19 October 2009 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1255959564' post='262131']
Matt Stover was 5-10 for 40 yard plus FG [url="http://http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/statistics?season=2008&team=BAL&seasonType="]My link Stover's stats![/url] Please stop with all of the M. Stover would have made it. I myself did fly to Miami in 2007 and watched M. Stover Miss a 40 yard or so FG that would have won the game instead Miami gets it 1st and only win of the season.
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How many of those missed kicks came in DOME WITH NO WIND? None.