So Who Decided Not To Sign Stover Back Again?

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='19 October 2009 - 08:56 AM' timestamp='1255899388' post='260951']
Please stop with that, I f you had been doing any research or paying attention to any of our games you would know that [b]Haushka has no accuracy[/b]. any expert knows kicking a ball 60 yards means nothing unless you can put it through the uprights. Haushka just like the defense showed there colors in the preseason games you could see where all the problems were going to be. you can give him all the time you want but if he's not accurate he's know good.

And let me get your statement right you would rather have a non accurate kicker then one who is accurate. glad you don't run the Ravens we would really be in trouble.
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Look, to say he has no accuracy is silly.

But, I did notice on several kicks that they weren't kicked very straight at all. I mean like hooking 30 yarders just inside the uprights. I won't lie, because of this my hopes weren't high before that kick.

Now to say its all on him is unfair - but I share the sentiments of those who think his accuracy is concerning.

[superd]

Stover would have made that kick. Stover was great is clutch situations. Stover should be on our roster and use Haushka as a place kicker. It worked for us many many times in the past. And for the people who say Stover wouldn't of made it. I can't wait until he hits a 44+ field goal for Indy. I bet he will. As much as I hate Indy I hope he makes a 44 yard game winning field goal for them next week. To show Whoever in the hell made the decision to get rid of him that they blew it. And blame the Defense all you want. NFL Games come down to the wire all the time. And big players make big plays. And Great kickers make game winning kicks. You don't look back at the PATS And say wow they played terrible that game there lucky Vinatieri bailed them out. Our team turned around and got it done. We weren't out played. We changed the whole game around. We couldn't shut the door because of 1 bad decision this week. It's worst than Clayton's dropped pass. Because we had a player who could do it and we let him go.

[BmoreRav]

[quote name='admartian' date='19 October 2009 - 12:57 AM' timestamp='1255910276' post='261467']
Agreed, that the defense gave up some very big plays.

But all of that is moot because the plays made by the offense to GET US INTO position pretty much 'saves' that.

Think about it.

Last week (Bengals) the D [b]DID[/b] lose that game (game winning drive. But [b]THIS WEEK[/b] the O made plays to give the team an opportunity.

An opportunity blown by a decision to have someone able to kick long field goals.

Which is stupid because why you would want someone attempting 50+ yarders if they can't make shorter field goals is beyond me.


Will he learn from it though?

The loss came from a play the KICKER COULD NOT MAKE. And not FROM A DEFENSE TRYING to make a stop.

Big difference.[/quote]

I see what your saying, but the D's performance was the reason why we were in the position where we needed a FG to win.

The Offense put us up by 1 late in the game only for the D to give up a 58yd pass to set up the Vikings for a game leading FG with 2 minutes remaining!

If the D had held firm on that drive like we are used to seeing from our D in that position then this would be a moot point.

Hauschkas kick was just one play, the D gave up many! That's the reason we lost the game.

[jdynamite]

what happen to the kid from Florida State ummmm Gano !!! I think.... (just asking) Cuz in the preseason games I never payed much attention to which one was kicking but I was rooting for the FSU kid!!

[Bea]

[quote name='jdynamite' date='19 October 2009 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1255915276' post='261600']
what happen to the kid from Florida State ummmm Gano !!! I think.... (just asking) Cuz in the preseason games I never payed much attention to which one was kicking but I was rooting for the FSU kid!!
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He lost out to Hauschka. Maybe we'll give him a shot next year. Or maybe we'll cut him and sign Gano, but I doubt it.

[BmoreRav]

[quote name='jdynamite' date='19 October 2009 - 02:21 AM' timestamp='1255915276' post='261600']
what happen to the kid from Florida State ummmm Gano !!! I think.... (just asking) Cuz in the preseason games I never payed much attention to which one was kicking but I was rooting for the FSU kid!!
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I remember hearing he signed for one of the UFL teams!

[Bea]

So he did, he signed with Las Vegas.

[cravn4ravens]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='18 October 2009 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1255909214' post='261436']
Well said.
I predicted this 2 months ago, when I made a post about it, you can look it up. When Ravens signed Hauschka instead of Stover, it was based on decision not to have 2 kickers on the roster, like last year. Stover might not have a leg to kick 50+ yarders like Hauschka, but he is automatic from 45-49 range. Remember, the Titans playoff game last year, in the rain on cold muddy field, game on the line? Hauschka couldn't make 44 yarder inside the dome, no wind, no rain, what's the excuse? Snap was good, hold was good. It's too late to cry over it, now.
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Exactly! A few hours after the game, I'm still questioning how Hauschka missed a field goal in a dome (perfect conditions). I am really dissapointed and now we have to face the Colts and Steelers (total 3 games)on a field with possible weather elements. Give time to grow? No time allowed. H needs to take the two weeks and make the best out of practicing field goals.

I like Ray Rice - gets through, runs fast, and scores. It's sad he wasn't passed the ball to get us closer in fg range.

[wolfzie06]

Not only did Haushcka miss the kick, but I have noticed he hasn't gotten very deep on kickoffs either, which isn't good. I don't think he should lose his job, but I am not going to lie that I am pretty pissed right now. If he works his butt off and tries to fix whatever it is he did to pull that ball left, then I'll feel better.

[Alexir]

[quote name='wolfzie06' date='18 October 2009 - 11:08 PM' timestamp='1255921699' post='261850']
Not only did Haushcka miss the kick, but I have noticed he hasn't gotten very deep on kickoffs either, which isn't good. I don't think he should lose his job, but I am not going to lie that I am pretty pissed right now. If he works his butt off and tries to fix whatever it is he did to pull that ball left, then I'll feel better.
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dunno what game you were watching but his kickoffs have been great.

[LilyRaven]

[quote name='BmoreRav' date='18 October 2009 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1255914888' post='261585']

Hauschkas kick was just one play, the D gave up many! That's the reason we lost the game.
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This bears repeating. Football is a sixty minute game played between two complete teams. One play, one call, one person neither wins nor loses a game. To dump the entire thing on Haushka is shortsighted and ignores the other 59 minutes and however many seconds of the game.

Does the miss stink in stereo? Yes, yes it does. But it wasn't the only stinky thing.

[TSizzle00]

Sign Ocho, he looked good during the preseason lol

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

This just capped off an already bad day. Now a bye to stew on our recent under-performing...

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' date='18 October 2009 - 06:19 PM' timestamp='1255904373' post='261253']
Steve is unpredictable everywhere, not just passed 40 yards... Id rather have an automatic guy under 40 yards, then a guy that is capable of kicking a 57 yarder, but who knows when the hell he'll have the accuracy to make it from short and long distance attempts.
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Dream on, because we're not carrying two kickers.

[Sixbrgh]

Yeah, missing the kick was "the difference" in the game, but let's be realistic here. No kicker is going to make them all and in the best of circumstances any of a 100 things can make a kick bad. The real problem is that for the second week in a row the defense gave up too many yards and too many points.

[admartian]

[quote name='BmoreRav' date='19 October 2009 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1255914888' post='261585']
I see what your saying, but the D's performance was the reason why we were in the position where we needed a FG to win.

The Offense put us up by 1 late in the game only for the D to give up a 58yd pass to set up the Vikings for a game leading FG with 2 minutes remaining!

If the D had held firm on that drive like we are used to seeing from our D in that position then this would be a moot point.

Hauschkas kick was just one play, the D gave up many! That's the reason we lost the game.
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I get what you're saying too.

My point is, that the offense gave Hauschka the chance to kick the GW FG - but didn't. Regardless of what happened before, that is irrelevant in terms of the moment.

I'm not saying we have nothing to worries on D (don't get me started ) - but in a given moment, the latest and current play (at the time of the kick) is what matters in the end.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I'm so angry we lost another close game, with the deciding play being a skills failure.

[ravenschicks]

probably you're right MagicianCamille, we should have gotten Stover back once and for all, I think that matters most

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='ravenschicks' date='19 October 2009 - 06:08 PM' timestamp='1255932532' post='262017']
probably you're right MagicianCamille, we should have gotten Stover back once and for all, I think that matters most
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Matters most to what?

[BloodRaven]

What is the point of "I told you so" threads? it means nothing when nobody here is accountable when they are wrong.

Is Stover supposed to kick for us until he's using a cane to walk?

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Sounds like it lol

[CorvusCorax]

If he made the kick this thread wouldn't exist. Please.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I don't think it's fair to place complete blame on Hauschka (although he should carry some of the blame). I'd lump more blame on Walker for his [i]amazing[/i] pass defense skills. I'm waiting for him to just starting jumping on wide outs' backs, piggy back style, he's already half way there now anyways.

Had he not given up that huge PI call, there could have been a chance that Minnesota never would have gotten those 3 points to begin with. Walker set up the loss, and unfortunately, Hauschka capped it off... and became the sole scapegoat.

[Tighthead420]

Total points lost by Haushcka=3

Total points given up by the Ravens' D=33

Yep...all his fault, let's cut him, throw him under the bus, give him a swirly in the locker room. Get real folks. Haushcka blew a big kick, no doubt, but did not lose the game. The D let the offense down, again. Never thought those words would come out, but there it is.

[shore]

I knew when they cut Stover it would cost us a game and now it has.Also how stupid was it to let Bart Scott go 2 100 yard runners back to back fellow Raven fans the playoffs are now out of reach you heard it here first.
Discussed on the shore

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='shore' date='19 October 2009 - 08:13 AM' timestamp='1255957995' post='262119']
I knew when they cut Stover it would cost us a game and now it has.Also how stupid was it to let Bart Scott go 2 100 yard runners back to back fellow Raven fans the playoffs are now out of reach you heard it here first.
Discussed on the shore
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To be honest you should go back.

[Marc2k6]

Matt Stover was 5-10 for 40 yard plus FG [url="http://http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/statistics?season=2008&team=BAL&seasonType="]My link Stover's stats![/url] Please stop with all of the M. Stover would have made it. I myself did fly to Miami in 2007 and watched M. Stover Miss a 40 yard or so FG that would have won the game instead Miami gets it 1st and only win of the season.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='19 October 2009 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1255959564' post='262131']
Matt Stover was 5-10 for 40 yard plus FG [url="http://http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/statistics?season=2008&team=BAL&seasonType="]My link Stover's stats![/url] Please stop with all of the M. Stover would have made it. I myself did fly to Miami in 2007 and watched M. Stover Miss a 40 yard or so FG that would have won the game instead Miami gets it 1st and only win of the season.
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Would some one please turn this into a billboard? We need to remind everyone that Stover was [b]not[/b] perfect, especially over 40 yards.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='19 October 2009 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1255959564' post='262131']
Matt Stover was 5-10 for 40 yard plus FG [url="http://http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/statistics?season=2008&team=BAL&seasonType="]My link Stover's stats![/url] Please stop with all of the M. Stover would have made it. I myself did fly to Miami in 2007 and watched M. Stover Miss a 40 yard or so FG that would have won the game instead Miami gets it 1st and only win of the season.
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That and...HELLO?!?!?!...two roster spots! This was one of the main issues. It was too much to have to carry a special guy just to kickoff. The Stover move made sense, and it still does. Haushcka MUST make those kicks (especially indoors), but throwing him to the wolves isn't the solution. He will get another shot.

[PuRock]

You know what the problem is. There are lapses by all players. We can't point the finger at one player for any of our 3 losses. They've all lapsed at some point this season. If you list everything that's gone wrong, everybody's name gets listed. Guys aren't being consistent enough. It's easy to point the finger at the person that screwed up the last play, or missed the big play. But we are losing as a team.

Haush misses the kick, Clayton drops the ball, Flacco throws too long, Foxworth falling down, frank walker getting PIs, Ray Lewis roughing call, Cams off play-calling, Mason's missed reception, Ed Reed disapperance at times and Bad Refs.