So Who Decided Not To Sign Stover Back Again?

[neepo13]

[quote name='VA_Fan' date='18 October 2009 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1255900077' post='261007']
Stover would have missed it too. Last year most everybody on here lost it when Harbs would let Matt kick anything passed the 30.
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The difference being this was in a dome. NO WIND. Stover has the leg to have made that kick. It would have been questionable if the wind was a factor but it wasnt.

[SickBoy]

Matt Stover wouldn't have been sent out there to attempt that kick if he were on the team. He is only accurate when the offense gets the ball within the 25 yard line. And since Matt Stover can't cover wide outs or pressure the quarterback, Matt Stover can't help us!!!

[Sean Ryan]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='18 October 2009 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1255899460' post='260958']
You cannot blame Frank Walker for the deep pass at the end. Favre had forever to throw the ball and you cant expect Frank to stay locked in one on one coverage for that long
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I don't care if favre had and hour to throw the ball. Franks job is to cover the WR. It wasn't rocket science, it was a simple go-route. This was his 2nd big penalty of the game. If you think its not his fault then you are an idiot.

[BmoreRav]

[quote name='Sean Ryan' date='18 October 2009 - 10:22 PM' timestamp='1255900964' post='261062']
I don't care if favre had and hour to throw the ball. Franks job is to cover the WR. It wasn't rocket science, it was a simple go-route. This was his 2nd big penalty of the game. If you think its not his fault then you are an idiot.
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Was Fabian benched for Walker or was he injured?

[whaven]

Ok what are some of you guys smoking? Matt Stover was making 44 yard field goals easy last year, releasing Stover was a bad move period.
And no, Steve "what's his name" wasn't the reason we are 3-3, but he helped. As for not going with Ray Rice, have you guys been playing attention? him, Mason, Flacco and sometimes Clayton is the only reason we aren't 0-6.
Who is the real reason we are 3-3? Coaching staff, here's why.....First half Ravens ran the running game with McGree as point. Didn't work, McGree was off his game today..it happens...problem was the coaching staff didn't adjust until the second half using the most valuable weapon in the offense, Ray and Mason. That cost the Ravens. Second it was the coaching staff that release a "in the crunch" kicker like Stover, does he still have a strong leg like like Steve "what's his name" probably not, but he does have the intangible experience to make those kick like the ones today. Lastly it was the coaching staff who started CBs like Foxworth, whom may have the heart, but not the ability to play Raven's style defense.

In the end the Ravens have the talent, but lacking the leadership

[BmoreRav]

[quote name='whaven' date='18 October 2009 - 10:41 PM' timestamp='1255902118' post='261126']
Ok what are some of you guys smoking? Matt Stover was making 44 yard field goals easy last year, releasing Stover was a bad move period.
And no, Steve "what's his name" wasn't the reason we are 3-3, but he helped. As for not going with Ray Rice, have you guys been playing attention? him, Mason, Flacco and sometimes Clayton is the only reason we aren't 0-6.
Who is the real reason we are 3-3? Coaching staff, here's why.....First half Ravens ran the running game with McGree as point. Didn't work, McGree was off his game today..it happens...problem was the coaching staff didn't adjust until the second half using the most valuable weapon in the offense, Ray and Mason. That cost the Ravens. Second it was the coaching staff that release a "in the crunch" kicker like Stover, does he still have a strong leg like like Steve "what's his name" probably not, but he does have the intangible experience to make those kick like the ones today. Lastly it was the coaching staff who started CBs like Foxworth, whom may have the heart, but not the ability to play Raven's style defense.

In the end the Ravens have the talent, but lacking the leadership
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McGree?? In the crunch??

[trooper1973]

I'm not sure Hauschka is the answer as kicker

[Ravnet]

[quote name='trooper1973' date='18 October 2009 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1255902805' post='261169']
I'm not sure Hauschka is the answer as kicker
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So what would you suggest we do?

Sign another young kicker?

There are no other options; Stover wasn't a plausible solution as he is just extremely unpredictable outside of 40.

[MagicianCamille]

Yeah downrate my post for stating facts from LAST YEAR to somebody saying Stover hasn't been able to make good kicks "for years".

[PuRock]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='18 October 2009 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1255903029' post='261185']
Yeah downrate my post for stating facts from LAST YEAR to somebody saying Stover hasn't been able to make good kicks "for years".
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I helped you get back to 0 on all your posts.

[MagicianCamille]

Oh I don't care that I got downrated, I just thought it was amusing.

"How dare you post FACTS that contradict me!"

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='BmoreRav' date='18 October 2009 - 05:14 PM' timestamp='1255900495' post='261040']
It was a 44yd FG attempt!
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Yes but it was from around the 27 because you have to count the 10 yards in the back of the inzone, and the 7 the holder is back to kick it.

[MagicianCamille]

Is that where people are getting confused? The whole saying was "Stover is automatic from inside the 30", that means up to about 46-47 yard kicks Stover can make them. I guess some people think we got rid of Stover cause he couldn't make kicks from the 45 like a Jason(?) Elam circa-2000.

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='18 October 2009 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1255903004' post='261180']
So what would you suggest we do?

Sign another young kicker?

There are no other options; Stover wasn't a plausible solution as [b]he is just extremely unpredictable outside of 40.[/b]
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Steve is unpredictable everywhere, not just passed 40 yards... Id rather have an automatic guy under 40 yards, then a guy that is capable of kicking a 57 yarder, but who knows when the hell he'll have the accuracy to make it from short and long distance attempts.

[BmoreRav]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' date='18 October 2009 - 11:15 PM' timestamp='1255904109' post='261237']
Yes but it was from around the 27 because you have to count the 10 yards in the back of the inzone, and the 7 the holder is back to kick it.
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Yes I know that, but when the other poster said "outside the 30" I think he meant a 30yd+ fg as opposed to the line of scrimmage.

[TomskyDe'Raven]

This is what happens when you let a vet leave not on his own terms....

[BmoreRav]

nvm

[J-man]

It wasnt his power it was his accuracy. If they were positioned in the middle of the field besides to the left, he would have made it. I dont know whether he kicked it wrong, or just didnt take into account that he had to kick it more to the right.

[Moderator 3]

Didn't anyone notice the bad snap on the attempt?

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='Moderator 3' date='18 October 2009 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1255907967' post='261394']
Didn't anyone notice the bad snap on the attempt?
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i was thinking the ball didn't look right in place when they showed close up were the laces right?IDK Steve is beating him self up he still getting support from his team.All kickers have this happen

[PuRock]

[quote name='Moderator 3' date='18 October 2009 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1255907967' post='261394']
Didn't anyone notice the bad snap on the attempt?
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It was a bad snap but Koch did a great job of reeling it in and planting it down quickly and on point.

[TXRaven]

I love Matt Stover but he would not have made this field goal. About as long as he can kick now is 42 yards maybe 43 in a dome. like today. It would have been on the mark but short.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='PuRock' date='18 October 2009 - 07:21 PM' timestamp='1255908116' post='261401']
It was a bad snap but Koch did a great job of reeling it in and planting it down quickly and on point.
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True, but things like that tend to throw a young kicker. Give him a few years and he wouldn't be fazed by that at all.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Steve is in his second year and if you look at stover in his second year he was 2-6 from 40-49 yards.and 126 for 179 career from that range.in total fg attempt in stovers second year he was 21 for 29 steve is 5 for 7 we need to let him grow.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Moderator 3' date='18 October 2009 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1255908195' post='261408']
True, but things like that tend to throw a young kicker. Give him a few years and he wouldn't be fazed by that at all.
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I was just hoping this was the chance for him to make a name for himself. Hmmm a few years, huh? Well I guess we shouldn't count on him to make a game winning kick in the playoffs until this time.

[mhead66]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='18 October 2009 - 06:09 PM' timestamp='1255903748' post='261220']
Oh I don't care that I got downrated, I just thought it was amusing.

"How dare you post FACTS that contradict me!"
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Yeah, someone's getting their kicks, giving neg. rep.

I'm giving all your posts a +1, just to compensate...

[DocMartin]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='18 October 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1255897631' post='260904']
Called it during the preseason. Hauschka couldn't make preseason kicks, how could we expect him to make them in games that matter when it matters?

We really should have gotten Stover back. That ship has sailed though.
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Well said.
I predicted this 2 months ago, when I made a post about it, you can look it up. When Ravens signed Hauschka instead of Stover, it was based on decision not to have 2 kickers on the roster, like last year. Stover might not have a leg to kick 50+ yarders like Hauschka, but he is automatic from 45-49 range. Remember, the Titans playoff game last year, in the rain on cold muddy field, game on the line? Hauschka couldn't make 44 yarder inside the dome, no wind, no rain, what's the excuse? Snap was good, hold was good. It's too late to cry over it, now.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' date='18 October 2009 - 07:30 PM' timestamp='1255908614' post='261420']
Steve is in his second year and if you look at stover in his second year he was 2-6 from 40-49 yards.and 126 for 179 career from that range.in total fg attempt in stovers second year he was 21 for 29 steve is 5 for 7 we need to let him grow.
[/quote]

Please keep repeating this often. We fans sometimes forget that patience is required.

[admartian]

[quote name='Patrickxworld' date='19 October 2009 - 08:27 AM' timestamp='1255897651' post='260910']
I'd rather have Haushka... even after this game!!!! Stover may have made it YEARS ago... but I want Haushka taking that kick now because he has the power... just give him time. The story of this game was our NON existent Defense.
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Really?

I think there is a flaw in thinking that in situations like that, we would rather have a power kicker than an accurate kicker.

Let me explain.

In what happened today, kicking a long field goal like that, is a crapshoot anyway. The philosophy should always get to the Redzone to score, and if not, it's a chip-shot for 3. For long field goals, it doesn't really matter because pressure situations like those don't always pull-off.

A 44-yarder is not that long for the avg. NFL kicker, so having someone with 'decent leg' should suffice. Not one that can hoof it 65+ yards in practice but not make tight kicks is redundant.

I mean, we may as well have had Kyle throwing from one knee.

[quote name='Sean Ryan' date='19 October 2009 - 08:53 AM' timestamp='1255899229' post='260936']
agreed. The key players in this game today were D. Landry and Frank (I should be cut because i have never made a play) Walker. The game was won and wouldn't have even come down to a field goal if Frank Walker would get cut off this team ASAP. I don't understand how he continues to make the team and we trade away good players like D. Martin. This loss really stings.
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[quote name='BmoreRav' date='19 October 2009 - 08:54 AM' timestamp='1255899265' post='260939']
Agreed. Even though Stover would have probably made it there comes a time when you need to move on to someone younger. OK he missed a game winning FG, he'll learn from it.

It's not as if Stover or any other kicker didn't miss game winning FGs in their young careers!

This loss is ALL on the Defense!!
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Agreed, that the defense gave up some very big plays.

But all of that is moot because the plays made by the offense to GET US INTO position pretty much 'saves' that.

Think about it.

Last week (Bengals) the D [b]DID[/b] lose that game (game winning drive. But [b]THIS WEEK[/b] the O made plays to give the team an opportunity.

An opportunity blown by a decision to have someone able to kick long field goals.

Which is stupid because why you would want someone attempting 50+ yarders if they can't make shorter field goals is beyond me.


Will he learn from it though?

The loss came from a play the KICKER COULD NOT MAKE. And not FROM A DEFENSE TRYING to make a stop.

Big difference.

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='19 October 2009 - 08:56 AM' timestamp='1255899388' post='260951']
Please stop with that, I f you had been doing any research or paying attention to any of our games you would know that Haushka has no accuracy. any expert knows kicking a ball 60 yards means nothing unless you can put it through the uprights. Haushka just like the defense showed there colors in the preseason games you could see where all the problems were going to be. you can give him all the time you want but if he's not accurate he's know good.

And let me get your statement right you would rather have a non accurate kicker then one who is accurate. glad you don't run the Ravens we would really be in trouble.
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Well the funny thing is, [b]we DO HAVE AN INNACURATE kicker[/b] and that those who run the Ravens do think like many here.

Probably why we're in trouble.
[quote name='Alexir' date='19 October 2009 - 08:59 AM' timestamp='1255899577' post='260965']
How a kicker misses a 44 yarder like that in a DOME with no WINDS is beyond me. But that didnt lose us the game. Our defense was terrible.
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Agree and disagree. That was pretty much ALL on Hauschka to make.

However, the D put us into a terrible situation, but the KICKER lost the game due to not being able to make it. Not the other way around.

[Guest RBates]

ok yall he missed a kick that could have sent us into the bye at 4-2 instead we are 3-3 not suprising fresh out of college some veterans would have had a hard time with that kick, game on the line in the opposing teams stadium lets not look to much into this tough kick a pressure kick that he didn't make. We need to find answers with our defense.