Terrell Suggs And Sack

[Sizzle]

Watching guys like Jarred Allen even James Harrison one wonders why is suggs not getting sacks. It cant be the kind of defense we play which is primarily 4-3. I thought it might even be an advantage since he is known for his "Pass rushing skills". So what is it????

He has got to pick up his play. Even a guy like Jarret Johnson who used an interior lineman has more sacks than him. Trevor Pryce has more sacks than him.

[theFRANCHISE]

Do we also call out Ed Reed for having such a slow start, as he notoriously has in recent years? He's worth a pretty penny, too. Do we call out Haloti Ngata for missing out on quite a few sack opportunities as well?

No, we don't.

So why do people call out Terrell Suggs? Because he hasn't racked up sacks in 5 games? Because he hasn't had the benefit of facing some porous offensive lines like, say, Antwan Odom of the Bengals has? Even Jared Allen has had it a bit easy in Minnesota this season.

Fact is, Suggs' value thus far has been in the pressure he's caused. Looking back at the past five games, Suggs hasn't gotten the sacks, but he's gotten the pressure. He's helped collapse the pocket -- he just hasn't finished the plays. Sure, James Harrison has gotten 6 sacks through 5 games -- but 3 of them were against the lowly Lions.

The onus may be on Suggs to produce -- but patience is also a virtue.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

Its hard to say why he isnt getting the sacks. It doesnt mean he is not getting pressure on the qb. Ive seen alot of double teams on Suggs this year. Im not making excuses for the man but give it time, the sacks will come.

[Fred Sanford]

It is true, though, that his rookie year was the only time he put up surprising stats. 2006 was fine but everybody got about 10 sacks that year. It'd be nice to see him get 10-15 sacks each year, but it's always about 8 with him.

He's still not in very good shape from missing TC. Suggs has been a good pass rusher, but not nearly as good as I thought after his 24 sack college record. He has, of course, been much better at run support than anyone anticipated.

[Sizzle]

You cant really compare Ed Reed to Suggs because in reeds case QB's simply dont throw his way. Ill admit Suggs causes pressure but dont most if not all OLB's or DE cause pressure. im just saying its the nfl and the guy is getting paid like one of the best. 2.5 sacks is an embarrassment.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Sizzle' date='17 October 2009 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1255830738' post='258795']
You cant really compare Ed Reed to Suggs because in reeds case QB's simply dont throw his way. Ill admit Suggs causes pressure but dont most if not all OLB's or DE cause pressure. im just saying its the nfl and the guy is getting paided like one of the best. 2.5 sacks is an embarrassment.
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I can understand that. But at the same time, it's hard to say that all OLB's and DE's cause pressure even in his tax bracket -- would Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora and Julius Peppers be considered massive disappointments as well despite having barely a sack over Suggs? DeMarcus Ware and Lamar Woodley are pretty damn good, but even they have fewer sacks than Suggs thus far. If anything, you'd have to say Ware's a massive disappointment for racking up 20 sacks last year and registering only 2 this year, as opposed to Suggs' 8 sacks in 2008 to 2.5 this year. If anything, Suggs may be on-pace to have a similar season this year.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='Sizzle' date='17 October 2009 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1255830738' post='258795']
You cant really compare Ed Reed to Suggs because in reeds case QB's simply dont throw his way. Ill admit Suggs causes pressure but dont most if not all OLB's or DE cause pressure. im just saying its the nfl and the guy is getting paid like one of the best. 2.5 sacks is an embarrassment.
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I dont see how it is an embarrassment to have 2.5 sacks in 5 games. One of the leagues leaders from last year, Ware, didnt register 1 sack till week 4. Take some and give it time. If at the end of the season he only has 6 or 7 sacks, then come back with the embarrassment comment.

[Sizzle]

I guess i am putting suggs to a higher standard or im nervous about tomorrows game. Either way i still think Suggs could improve in the Sack catagory. Other than that, i love suggs he plays 110% every snap. Great against the run and never gives up on a play.

lol by the way i see they have updated this emotion thing. im gonna use alot of these.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Sizzle' date='17 October 2009 - 10:10 PM' timestamp='1255831844' post='258800']
I guess i am putting suggs to a higher standard or im nervous about tomorrows game. Either way i still think Suggs could improve in the Sack catagory. Other than that, i love suggs he plays 110% every snap. Great against the run and never gives up on a play.
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Oh no no no, don't get me wrong, we should definitely expect Suggs to produce. Big contract or not, nothing wrong with holding him to a higher standard.

Just wanted to show you that there's a bright side to it.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Sizzle' date='17 October 2009 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1255830738' post='258795']
You cant really compare Ed Reed to Suggs because in reeds case QB's simply dont throw his way. Ill admit Suggs causes pressure but dont most if not all OLB's or DE cause pressure. im just saying its the nfl and the guy is getting paid like one of the best. 2.5 sacks is an embarrassment.
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Wow dude, 2.5 sacks in 5 games is an embarrassment? Does he not get credit for the TD he was responsible for either? The great job he does at sealing off the run (did you notice all Bensons gains last week were up the gut--now tell me what he gained running to Suggs' side) ? Or how about simply being the guy most consistently getting into the backfield?

When are people going to learn to take stats with a grain of salt?

[tweety]

The team as a whole has 11 sack. The "great" Jets only have 4 sacks. If Suggs can consistently get enough pressure so the QB only has 3 seconds to throw that would be better than getting a sack once or twice a game. On average the Ravens bring 4 or 5 guys so together they must deliver good QB pressure. I don't regret giving Suggs the big contract.

[TSizzle00]

Jared Allen was virtually unblocked all game vs Green Bay

[macbrak]

I like to think that the best thing about the Ravens is they don't know where its coming from. We don't have individual leaders because the whole is strong.

[Betweenthetackles]

[quote name='Sizzle' date='17 October 2009 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1255830738' post='258795']
You cant really compare Ed Reed to Suggs because in reeds case QB's simply dont throw his way. Ill admit Suggs causes pressure but dont most if not all OLB's or DE cause pressure. im just saying its the nfl and the guy is getting paid like one of the best. 2.5 sacks is an embarrassment.
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agree

Suggs looks soft..like he spent weeks on end eating Moon Pies.

Seriously, look at his media guide picture a couple of years ago and him now...

ohhhh doggy, too much southern cuisine for sure.

He's not worth the money...I'd rather have a high motor guy and pay him 1/20 as much and get more production..


Ravens have made some pretty questionable moves over the past few years with personel. Seems to me that we need an impact wide receiver...haven't gotten one yet. Grandpa Mason is retiring after this season for sure

[Alexir]

Well Im not buying into the "slow start" concept. He is the highest paid Linebacker and hast had double digit sacks since his sophomore year...

[BloodRaven]

Considering your namesake that was a pretty quick bail from the suggswagon.

[52Kia Kaha92]

Franchise had it right. Suggs may not be getting sacks but he is getting great pressure and he has been a monster on running plays. He just blows up TE and LT's on running plays. he isnt the James Harrison, Demarcus Ware pass rusher. Suggs is a very well rounded end/OLB. He is very good on coverage and you couldnt find a more disruptive run stopper. I value Suggs and Trent Cole very similar although Suggs is a better playmaker and all around player.

Sacks are the most over rated stat there is. Id rather Suggs get consistent pressure every play than have the quarterback trip over and have suggs dive on him so we can say "oh man suggs is a beast off the edge with all his sacks"

[Bullrush]

Not this again...

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='Betweenthetackles' date='18 October 2009 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1255839206' post='258824']
agree

Suggs looks soft..like he spent weeks on end eating Moon Pies.

Seriously, look at his media guide picture a couple of years ago and him now...

ohhhh doggy, too much southern cuisine for sure.

He's not worth the money...I'd rather have a high motor guy and pay him 1/20 as much and get more production..


Ravens have made some pretty questionable moves over the past few years with personel. Seems to me that we need an impact wide receiver...haven't gotten one yet. Grandpa Mason is retiring after this season for sure
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This is probably the last time I am going to respond to a comment that has absolutely no fact or even a hint of football knowledge behind it. Im tired of hearing that the organization has overpaid a man because he is not living up to the standards you think he should.

Suggs goes out on every play, at full speed, usually double teamed, and continously applies pressure on the QB disrupting the timing of the play. Whether it be a run or a pass, he is doing his job.

Success is not always determined by statistics. None of us know the full extent of the outcome of a play, which may have come just by the actions of one player.

The remarks of moon pies and southern cuisine, come on dude, grow up. Id like to see a picture of you. Bet that might bring a few chuckles.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

I thought we all had mutually agreed that forcing a QB to make bad throws because of pressure is better than a sack because it will most likely end up as an INT. Too bad that with a 4-3, it's much harder to pick off the ball.

[RoflDogs]

The defensive tackles are not getting enough push, so when Suggs rushes hard outside, all the quarterback does is step up in the pocket to avoid the pressure

[PSU RAVEN]

[quote name='RoflDogs' date='18 October 2009 - 09:41 AM' timestamp='1255873307' post='258878']
The defensive tackles are not getting enough push, so when Suggs rushes hard outside, all the quarterback does is step up in the pocket to avoid the pressure
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I agree! If there was more pressure up the middle the team (and Suggs) may have more sacks.
Say what you want about Suggs but I have never seen a lack of effort or passion.

[Ravens549]

I, and many Ravens' fans I tailgate with all feel Sizzle has been a letdown 'so far' this season.
I thought from game 1 that he looked out of shape. He also seem to lack that quickness to roll out of blocks. He is more of a bull rush guy this year.
The before mentioned names are not the biggest guys on end, but incedibly quick.

I feel the reason why Sizzle is under the microscope as opposed to other players is the extra half mill he demanded last season and the 'highest paid linebacker' title he earned this year. When paid as the best, you cannot blame fans for then demanding the best.

I have stated it already in another thread, what an embarrassment it will be if Sizzle misses the pro-bowl......