Whats Our Identity?

[Ravens_Fan13]

RAVENS!!!!!!!

ok first im sitting here wondering if we have focused to much on the Offense since Cam think about it 2 years staright we used our high picks on the Offense are we gettin away from what we do? now dont get me wrong flacco was a beautiful pick and rice but......do you think we should have went back to the D this year just imagine if we would have got a vernon davis or a malaluga? instead of a boring o lineman......michael O is a great talent and there is no doubt he has boosted our line but i mean c'mon... but my main question is with the new coaching changes are we losing our identity?

[flynismo]

Taking Oher falls in line with our usual M.O., which is building through the trenches. If you wanted more of the same, you got it with the Oher pick. And really, that is the one pick of the draft that we can all agree was the right one to make.
In the second, I was praying we were going to take either Sean Smith or one of the receivers. We took Kruger instead. I love me some Kruger, but with the quality of the guys still on the board at WR and CB, I felt like Oz just flipped us all a collective bird. Along with OT, those were our biggest needs, but instead we added yet another project at LB.

Is our identity changing? Of course it is. We have an offense now .

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='15 October 2009 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1255624864' post='257642']
instead of a boring o lineman......michael O is a great talent and there is no doubt he has boosted our line but i mean c'mon...
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If you have a QB that you wan't to build an offense around why would you not to ensure he's protected? The fans may not like taking an o-line but it's the o-line that opens up the holes for RB to rip off big runs and give the QBs time to throw down-field.

It's great constantly drafting top-notch defensive talent but do you want an offense that struggles to score 17 points a game while the defense shuts down opponents or do you want a balanced team?

Do you remember the divisional play-off game where the defense held Peyton Manning to 15 points the entire game and yet the offense could only muster 6 points themselves? I don't want to watch a team like that again. Do you?

[Gtown Purple]

Hard to say, we've seen mixed signals in the first 5 games. I think we need to revisit this after at least 2-3 more.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='15 October 2009 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1255624864' post='257642']
RAVENS!!!!!!!

ok first im sitting here wondering if we have focused to much on the Offense since Cam think about it 2 years staright we used our high picks on the Offense are we gettin away from what we do? now dont get me wrong flacco was a beautiful pick and rice but......do you think we should have went back to the D this year just imagine if we would have got a vernon davis or a malaluga? [b]instead of a boring o lineman[/b]......michael O is a great talent and there is no doubt he has boosted our line but i mean c'mon... but my main question is with the new coaching changes are we losing our identity?
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I'm sorry but when you dissed the pick at oher.... I pretty much had to stop reading... that was the steal of the first round.... especially where we were at... he was a Top 10 pick..... and fell to us.... and right now I'm thinking if we had picked up anyone else with that pick our record would be worse than it is now... because Joe Flacco would be on his back.... alot from being sacked... especially with the Gaither injury

The way we are playing now isn't so much of losing our identity but more of going through growing pains... Flacco is proving why he was the right call in the first round... and our defense just changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3... Its a whole new system... and I'll agree with the other person... our Identity has changed due to our offense... but it isn't forgotten... We're kind of spoiled as ravens fans of having a top 5-10 D every year

[Gtown Purple]

I have to agree with your assessment of picking oher. if we didn't we would have Yanda starting who is serviceable but a backup otherwise. Plus, with gaither out last game who replaces him in spite of Oher?



[quote name='Reddawn36' date='15 October 2009 - 01:13 PM' timestamp='1255626789' post='257663']
I'm sorry but when you dissed the pick at oher.... I pretty much had to stop reading... that was the steal of the first round.... especially where we were at... he was a Top 10 pick..... and fell to us.... and right now I'm thinking if we had picked up anyone else with that pick our record would be worse than it is now... because Joe Flacco would be on his back.... alot from being sacked... especially with the Gaither injury

The way we are playing now isn't so much of losing our identity but more of going through growing pains... Flacco is proving why he was the right call in the first round... and our defense just changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3... Its a whole new system... and I'll agree with the other person... our Identity has changed due to our offense... but it isn't forgotten... We're kind of spoiled as ravens fans of having a top 5-10 D every year
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[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

In order to protect our new found Franchise quarterback we drafted one the the best tackles, at a steal I might add, to come out of the draft in the past 5 years. Michael Oher is a beast. There wasnt one player at that pick that I would have wanted instead. He will be IMO the best of the best.

As far as our second pick last year I agree with some that we might have chosen a reciever or possibly DB. The fact is our front office sees something in Kruger that they like, and have said, in time he will be on the field.

Agreed, Carr seems to have become a dissapointment and for some reason is still getting the reps. I think we may see quite a bit more of Webb this week. Hopefully if given the chance, he takes it and runs with it.

Our identity has changed. It has changed to a complete team that relies on each other to do their part. Years past it was put a couple field goal points up and let the D. hold on to it. Now that has changed.

[Alexir]

Our identity is tons of talent being under coached.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 02:00 PM' timestamp='1255629619' post='257700']
Our identity is tons of talent being under coached.
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Who's being under-coached?

[Ravens_Fan13]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 October 2009 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1255626356' post='257658']
If you have a QB that you wan't to build an offense around why would you not to ensure he's protected? The fans may not like taking an o-line but it's the o-line that opens up the holes for RB to rip off big runs and give the QBs time to throw down-field.

It's great constantly drafting top-notch defensive talent but do you want an offense that struggles to score 17 points a game while the defense shuts down opponents or do you want a balanced team?

Do you remember the divisional play-off game where the defense held Peyton Manning to 15 points the entire game and yet the offense could only muster 6 points themselves? I don't want to watch a team like that again. Do you?
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Of course i remember that it was a huge let down im not really dissing Oher at all and he was a steal at that pick i agree there all im saying is a CB would have made more since there to me lets look at it this way our cb's are here for a reason simply because they lost there jobs on there last teams!!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='15 October 2009 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1255635219' post='257738']
Of course i remember that it was a huge let down im not really dissing Oher at all and he was a steal at that pick i agree there all im saying is a CB would have made more since there to me lets look at it this way our cb's are here for a reason simply because they lost there jobs on there last teams!!
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There were no corners that the team was comfortable with taking at that spot. Malcolm Jenkins and Vontae Davis were gone. After them, there was Alphonso Smith and Darius Butler weren't first round caliber players. Also, the coaches had no idea Samari Rolle would go down. If Samari was healthy, Chris Carr wouldn't even sniff the field.

As for Washington and Foxworth, Ozzie traded for Washington and that has been a good trade so far in my opinion. And Fabian lost his job to the best corner in football right now so that's not a knock on him. As for Foxworth, he had a good year in Atlanta but they didn't want to pay him. He hasn't been great this year but not all of it has been his fault.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 October 2009 - 02:01 PM' timestamp='1255629669' post='257701']
Who's being under-coached?
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Defense, Special Teams, Offense.

Why play a 4-3 when 3-4 has worked for years? Matti, go back to the 3-4.

Yamon Figurs was one of the best young upcoming returners in 2007 with 2 TDs. He enters Rosburg's system and doesnt put up anything. (yeah, i know he was injured.) Chris Carr, amazing returner in tennessee enters the ravens and cant return a thing.

Cam is just not coaching smart football. you have 2[b] great[/b] running backs and average at best recievers and you are throwing the ball 40+ times a game? Child please, Peyton and Drew dont even throw that much.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1255638301' post='257783']
Defense, Special Teams, Offense.

Why play a 4-3 when 3-4 has worked for years? Matti, go back to the 3-4.

Yamon Figurs was one of the best young upcoming returners in 2007 with 2 TDs. He enters Rosburg's system and doesnt put up anything. (yeah, i know he was injured.) Chris Carr, amazing returner in tennessee enters the ravens and cant return a thing.

Cam is just not coaching smart football. you have 2[b] great[/b] running backs and average at best recievers and you are throwing the ball 40+ times a game? Child please, Peyton and Drew dont even throw that much.
[/quote]

You're right about the defense but are you seriously talking about Yamon "Too Soft" Figurs and Chris Carr not being coached up properly? For one, players execute. Every play is drawn up to work, it's up to the players to ensure it works. Special teams is slightly different. As a returner, you follow your blocks, find a seam and hit it hard. Figurs took some big hits in Indy and wasn't the same for the rest of the year. How is that Rosbrug's fault? Carr hasn't looked explosive returning kicks and when he's returning punts, he's too indecisive.

As for Cam, I agree he needs to use McGahee and McClain more but Flacco threw the ball 40+ times in a game where the team was down the entire game.

[Ravens549]

We needed to build a good offense.
Unfortunately it came too slowly and at the expense of our once young defense.
I hate to admit, I feel losing Rex was the biggest hit to us and our defense.

Thank God we have Ray though. If anybody can make adjustments and knows how to work best with what we have got...it has to be Ray!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravens549' date='15 October 2009 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1255640317' post='257833']
I hate to admit, I feel losing Rex was the biggest hit to us and our defense.
[/quote]

Teams moved the ball and had game-winning drives when Rex was managing the defense too. Losing Bart has hurt and some would argue Leonhard is a better player than Landry but losing Rex hasn't hurt as much as people think.

[wolfzie06]

Our offense last year had some growing pains, and they still are. We had new players and a new coordinator. The same goes for our defense. Remember at this time last year, we were 2-3 and looked listless. We then started to really play with some fire, seemingly out of nowhere. I always feel that football seasons seem totally different in the first 8 to the last 8 games. I think we will start pounding the football and taking a couple shots here and there, and I think our defense will continue to adjust to a new coordinator and a couple new players.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 October 2009 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1255639248' post='257811']
You're right about the defense but are you seriously talking about Yamon "Too Soft" Figurs and Chris Carr not being coached up properly? For one, players execute. Every play is drawn up to work, it's up to the players to ensure it works. Special teams is slightly different. As a returner, you follow your blocks, find a seam and hit it hard. Figurs took some big hits in Indy and wasn't the same for the rest of the year. How is that Rosbrug's fault? Carr hasn't looked explosive returning kicks and when he's returning punts, he's too indecisive.

As for Cam, I agree he needs to use McGahee and McClain more but Flacco threw the ball 40+ times in a game where the team was down the entire game.
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When a teams weakness is the running game and you go out there lobbing bombs that is just stupid.

I think it is Rosburgs fault, 2 returners excel returning the ball in another Special Team coaches system and become duds when they get to Baltimore.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Ravens_Fan13' date='15 October 2009 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1255624864' post='257642']
RAVENS!!!!!!!

ok first im sitting here wondering if we have focused to much on the Offense since Cam think about it 2 years staright we used our high picks on the Offense are we gettin away from what we do? now dont get me wrong flacco was a beautiful pick and rice but......[b]do you think we should have went back to the D this year just imagine if we would have got a vernon davis or a malaluga?[/b] instead of a boring o lineman......michael O is a great talent and there is no doubt he has boosted our line but i mean c'mon... but my main question is with the new coaching changes are we losing our identity?
[/quote]

Yeah our D would be awesome if we had vernon davis!!! Oh wait...remind me how a TE would help our defense and how we could draft someone who was already in the NFL.

[wolfzie06]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1255644810' post='257881']
When a teams weakness is the running game and you go out there lobbing bombs that is just stupid.

I think it is Rosburgs fault, 2 returners excel returning the ball in another Special Team coaches system and become duds when they get to Baltimore.
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I know when Rosburg was in Cleveland and Atlanta, their special teams were pretty good. I believe that each punter he has worked with in his first year with that team had career years, including Sam Koch last year. I know that Cribbs and Dennis Northcutt had great years with him in Cleveland as well. Check out his resume:

http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=26&aid=2208&view=archive

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Ravens549' date='15 October 2009 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1255640317' post='257833']
We needed to build a good offense.
Unfortunately it came too slowly and at the expense of our once young defense.
[b]I hate to admit, I feel losing Rex was the biggest hit to us and our defense.[/b]
Thank God we have Ray though. If anybody can make adjustments and knows how to work best with what we have got...it has to be Ray!
[/quote]

Did you happen to catch Monday Night Football this week? I am guessing that is a no

[Ravens549]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='15 October 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1255645254' post='257891']
Did you happen to catch Monday Night Football this week? I am guessing that is a no
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Yes, I did. And I cheered my ****** off for the fins!
However, my analogy is Rex with our defense not the Jets. IMO, we still have a better defense with in which Rex to work with as compared to New York's.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1255644810' post='257881']
I think it is Rosburgs fault, 2 returners excel returning the ball in another Special Team coaches system and become duds when they get to Baltimore.
[/quote]

Then you obviously weren't paying attention to how Yamon returned the ball in '08 and how Carr has returned the ball this year.

Did you see Lardarius Webb's kick-return against Cincy? Carr had a kick-return for 21 yards? Webb had for 43 yards. You want to know why? Because Webb is more explosive and decisive. It's not Rosburg's fault a return-man doesn't know how to find a seam and hit it.