Winning Play!

[Marc2k6]

Here is the play the winning touchdown, let's all view it again and see where it breaks down. Looks like a play that should have been covered. [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-anatomy-of-a-play/09000d5d81367c53/WK-5-Anatomy-Palmer-to-Caldwell-beats-Ravens"]Chris Carr[/url]

[Va BeaCh RaVeN]

pulls carr down by his shoulder *** (inside arm pit section)......and no flag. then chris carr just falls down like always and looks like complete trash.

[YYZ66]

It's interesting that he mentions it's a 3 man rush. ummmm, Nakamura was rushing, so that was 4 men. Anyway, that leaves 7 in coverage, and he was still wide open. Ay carumba! And yes, Carr was on the turf when Caldwell scored. Might as well put Webb in as the nickel back, he couldn't possibly play any worse than Carr has!

[Ravenite]

Alot of things went bad on that play... it was a good call defense wise.. we just didn't execute it right.

[Purple-Haze]

My what the mighty defense has come to. We go from guys like Starks, C-mac, Woodson, Herring, and Rolle, to guys like washington, foxworth, Walker, and CHRIS CARR! What happened?? I clearly must have missed something. We have set a high bar over the last decade. Guys like Carr dont belong on this defense PERIOD!!!!!

[12th man]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='14 October 2009 - 11:54 PM' timestamp='1255578843' post='257429']
Here is the play the winning touchdown, let's all view it again and see where it breaks down. Looks like a play that should have been covered. [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-anatomy-of-a-play/09000d5d81367c53/WK-5-Anatomy-Palmer-to-Caldwell-beats-Ravens"]Chris Carr[/url]
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Yep Chris fell like a sack of potatoes and that's the end.Another carr problem

[YYZ66]

[quote name='12th man' date='15 October 2009 - 01:46 PM' timestamp='1255625210' post='257644']
Yep Chris fell like a sack of potatoes and that's the end.[b]Another carr problem[/b]

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There's a phrase worth repeating!!!

[Ed_Reed20]

I've been saying Caldwell grabbed onto Carr's facemask since Tuesday and very few people seemed to believe me. You can clearly see Carr's head getting pulled in one direction whiles Caldwell continues to run up-field.

Still, Bulldog on 1057 The Fan was saying how if he were Carr, he would've tackeled Caldwell grabbed his facemask. Regardless, it doesn't change that Carr has been THE weak link on defense and needs to benched pronto.

I'm over the Bengals game though. The Vikings are up next and I'm eager to see how the Ravens bounce back from too different but equally disappointing losses.

[mhead66]

[quote name='YYZ66' date='15 October 2009 - 02:15 AM' timestamp='1255587321' post='257489']
It's interesting that he mentions it's a 3 man rush. ummmm, Nakamura was rushing, so that was 4 men. Anyway, that leaves 7 in coverage, and he was still wide open. Ay carumba! And yes, Carr was on the turf when Caldwell scored. Might as well put Webb in as the nickel back, he couldn't possibly play any worse than Carr has!
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Like the video showed, it was man-to-man, 4 CBs vs. 4 WRs, Ray in the short zone, 4 rushers and 2 safeties deep. The corners only had to stay close for the first 10 yards. Looking at the video, 2:35-2:42, Carr & Caldwell [b]did[/b] battle, some tugging occured. However, Carr was still right there, at 2:39, but he overruns Caldwell at 2:40 - long after the contact occurred - and it allowed Caldwell to catch the ball. Carr compensated for the earlier contact and got back in the play, but his lack of body control cost the game...

Carr failed.

Also, Cincy had 6 blockers in, vs. 4 rushers, and Palmer got [b]no[/b] pressure...

[Gtown Purple]

Carr was held but he still had a chance to get back in the play. he got beat plain and simple. I can't wait until tolle comes back so we can put a better quality player at nickel cb.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='15 October 2009 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1255626938' post='257666']
Carr was held but he still had a chance to get back in the play. he got beat plain and simple. I can't wait until Rolle comes back so we can put a better quality player at nickel cb.
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I want Rolle to come back too but considering he showed up at the facility in a neck brace Monday, it doesn't seem he'll be back until late in the season if he even plays again at all.

[Marc2k6]

In a play like that you can not let the WR get on top of you like that. Ray was in the middle to cover the under, all Caarr had to do is keep his man in front of him. Our CB's are playing OK but the need to stop falling on the ground. <----- You can not make plays like this!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Purple-Haze' date='15 October 2009 - 12:43 AM' timestamp='1255588989' post='257498']
My what the mighty defense has come to. We go from guys like Starks, C-mac, Woodson, Herring, and Rolle, to guys like washington, foxworth, Walker, and CHRIS CARR! What happened?? I clearly must have missed something. We have set a high bar over the last decade. Guys like Carr dont belong on this defense PERIOD!!!!!
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The front office apparently has gone from guys who actually knew how to play their position, how to tackle, and how to cover but were lesser "athletes" to guys that can run fast and are agile. Even though they arent as good at actually playing the position lol.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='15 October 2009 - 05:08 PM' timestamp='1255640910' post='257841']
The front office apparently has gone from guys who actually knew how to play their position, how to tackle, and how to cover but were lesser "athletes" to [b]guys that can run fast[/b] and are agile. Even though they arent as good at actually playing the position lol.
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You mean AlDavisitis?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='mhead66' date='15 October 2009 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1255641143' post='257845']
You mean AlDavisitis?
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lol apparently its contagious

[wolfzie06]

Anyone ready to see Webb replace Carr?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wolfzie06' date='15 October 2009 - 05:45 PM' timestamp='1255643108' post='257867']
Anyone ready to see Webb replace Carr?
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Everyone is ready to see it. At this point, I'd rather have Walker who seemingly draws penalties at will than Carr who is softer than paper mache. I don't want to Carr on the field at all anymore.

[wolfzie06]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 October 2009 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1255643461' post='257872']
Everyone is ready to see it. At this point, I'd rather have Walker who seemingly draws penalties at will than Carr who is softer than paper mache. I don't want to Carr on the field at all anymore.
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I went to training camp this year and got to see Chris Carr up close. I'm 6 ft. tall, and he was one of the smallest players I can remember seeing. I can't picture him being physical at all, and I think he has shown this. I think Webb could end up being a super sleeper. His potential seems sky-high. Anyone see him knock that ball out of Wes Welker's hands in the Pats game?

[Alexir]

That Carr is a lemon!

what the heck was Nakamura doing on that play, he went in to blitz then stopped in front of the guard

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1255645022' post='257887']
That Carr is a lemon!

what the heck was Nakamura doing on that play, he went in to blitz then stopped in front of the guard
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In that play I think Nakamura has the HB, and since he stayed in to block Nakamura came in to blitz, then decided against it in case the HB released.

[Gtown Purple]

Yeah, I got wind of that not long ago. He's eligible to come back next week I think. I don't understand why the ravens wouldn't put him on IR if he was going to be out half the season or more.


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 October 2009 - 01:27 PM' timestamp='1255627631' post='257675']
I want Rolle to come back too but considering he showed up at the facility in a neck brace Monday, it doesn't seem he'll be back until late in the season if he even plays again at all.
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[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 06:17 PM' timestamp='1255645022' post='257887']
That Carr is a lemon!

what the heck was Nakamura doing on that play, he went in to blitz then stopped in front of the guard
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[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Anyone notice Landry's lack of awarness on that play? Cover 2 on his side he has 2 recievers to look at and he did not react at all to chris carr getting beat. I played safety and i have common sense. 2 Recievers on 2 of my corners, one is doing fine up the sideline with sideline to help him and one getting man handled in the middle i'm going to jump on that.

But yeah i'm done with chris carr also!

I'm also glad the media and bandwagoners are gone

[J-man]

He just like stops

[TSizzle00]

Dont you just love how Carr was laying on the ground when the WR caught the ball?....

[J-man]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='15 October 2009 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1255656685' post='257967']
Dont you just love how Carr was laying on the ground when the WR caught the ball?....
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He was burnt. Stop, Drop, and Rolllll

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='PurpleClawsOfFURY' date='15 October 2009 - 09:25 PM' timestamp='1255656333' post='257963']
Anyone notice Landry's lack of awarness on that play? Cover 2 on his side he has 2 recievers to look at and he did not react at all to chris carr getting beat. I played safety and i have common sense. 2 Recievers on 2 of my corners, one is doing fine up the sideline with sideline to help him and one getting man handled in the middle i'm going to jump on that.

But yeah i'm done with chris carr also!

I'm also glad the media and bandwagoners are gone
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In the video you could see Chris Henry going outside so Landry went to the sideline to cover over the top. By the time the WR caught it Landry was not even close enough to make the tackle.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='PurpleClawsOfFURY' date='15 October 2009 - 09:25 PM' timestamp='1255656333' post='257963']
Anyone notice Landry's lack of awarness on that play? Cover 2 on his side he has 2 recievers to look at and he did not react at all to chris carr getting beat. I played safety and i have common sense. 2 Recievers on 2 of my corners, one is doing fine up the sideline with sideline to help him and one getting man handled in the middle i'm going to jump on that.

But yeah i'm done with chris carr also!

I'm also glad the media and bandwagoners are gone
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That was not on Landry, if you are laying on the ground and your man is running free there is nothing else to say!