Where's Our Wildcat?

[McBoller]

Wildcat, wildbird, suggs package...whatever you want to call it. It was MORE than obvious that with the stagnation of our offense agiainst cincy that we needed some kind of spark, wrinkle, WHATEVER to get the ball moving down the field.

Granted Ray Rice is not Ronnie Brown, and Willis is not Ricky Williams, but dman them phins know how to tear up a D with that thing. Weve gotta find a way to make it work for us when simply running, passing, and plain old play action is not working.

How many times has Troy Smith been on the field this year? maybe twice?

[Gtown Purple]

I'd like to see our offense get back to being consistent before bringing in trick plays.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='14 October 2009 - 09:20 AM' timestamp='1255526418' post='256873']
I'd like to see our offense get back to being consistent before bringing in trick plays.
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If our offense ever gets back to being consistent there will be no trick plays. If we can win like we did against KC and CLE there is no need to risk a trick play. When you are struggling then you have to at least try soemthing. Id rather see a trick play not work then see 2 straight runs that gain 2 yards.

And speaking for miami, those are not even trick plays. Thats over a third of their offense.

[meckman71]

I would also like to see us perfect standard play first as we have the talent on offense. Lack of discipline on both sides of the ball have cost us our 2 losses. Now is not the time to try to confuse the opponent. Most of our wildcat plays in the past were busts or resulted in a time out being called due to our own confusion.

[ZIBBY28]

i agree that a wrinlke like the suggs package could be very useful in games where nothing seems to be going right, but there's a reason why we pay to get into the stadium and sit here and post on these forums, while others are Offensive Coordinators in the NFL. they know a lot more than we do. they see a lot of things we dont on the field. i agree that it was extremely frustrating to watch on Sunday, but you never really know if what we did was simply the best we could do with what they were giving us. sure, the play calling was questionable and its easy to see that it would probably help to run the ball more often when your backs are gaining 6 yards per carry and you're getting absolutely nothing down field, but idk.. i trust cam. I was pulling my hair out because of him the past couple weeks, but he's one of the best at what he does. Im sure we'll figure something out, but its not going to be easy against a GREAT Vikings D.

[PuRock]

If they run the wildcat. I would like to see some throws out of it.

Because our wildcat variation isn't really scary. It's Troy Smith Running the ball right up the gut nearly every time.

BTW, I love what Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are doing in Miami. I'm a fan. Ronnie Brown is a true Beast.

[McBoller]

Troy Smith is the suggs package. When i say wildcat, I mean Ray Rice at QB.

[Gtown Purple]

Cam busts out a trick play every so often. If this was something we could do well then it would be in place already. They tried the suggs package last year and it didn't work. If Miami uses it then that's fine, they can do whatever they want. I don't think we need the "wildcat" or whatever you want to call it to be explosive. We just need to give the right players the opportunities to make plays and the offensive staff has not been doing that effectively.



[quote name='McBoller' date='14 October 2009 - 09:24 AM' timestamp='1255526643' post='256876']
If our offense ever gets back to being consistent there will be no trick plays. If we can win like we did against KC and CLE there is no need to risk a trick play. When you are struggling then you have to at least try soemthing. Id rather see a trick play not work then see 2 straight runs that gain 2 yards.

And speaking for miami, those are not even trick plays. Thats over a third of their offense.
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[Ed_Reed20]

The offense needed a spark on Sunday but how many big play have really come out of the Wildcat when the Ravens run it?

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 October 2009 - 11:10 AM' timestamp='1255533030' post='256929']
The offense needed a spark on Sunday but how many big play have really come out of the Wildcat when the Ravens run it?
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Clayton TD pass to Mason. Troy Smith pass to Flacco for 43yd.

Miami waited until the 4th quarter with the game on the line to bring Pat White in. His skinny ****** got a first down on a QB draw and one more positive play.

Its not always about every wildcat play being HUGE, just about mixing it up and keeping the defense on their heels.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='McBoller' date='14 October 2009 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1255533526' post='256933']
[b]Clayton TD pass to Mason.[/b] Troy Smith pass to Flacco for 43yd.

Miami waited until the 4th quarter with the game on the line to bring Pat White in. His skinny ****** got a first down on a QB draw and one more positive play.

Its not always about every wildcat play being HUGE, just about mixing it up and keeping the defense on their heels.
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Clayton's TD pass to Mason wasn't the wildcat.

The Dolphins ran the Wilcat all night and ate up yards out of the formation too. The reason that is because Miami practices the Wildcat more than any other team in the league. I'm sure Cam doesn't doesn't spend time running the Wildcat with Troy Smith in practice.

In my opinion, you can mix it up and keep the defense guessing in many other way without running the Wildcat.

[Gtown Purple]

Honestly, I don't see why brown and williams are so productive out of that formatiuon anyway. All they are doing is running with the ball, the only difference is they take the snap rather than taking a handoff. OK, that gives them a second or 2 heard start as compared to handing the ball off but if the defense plays disciplined football then how is it different than a normal running play. Pat White adds a scary dimension I will admit due to him playing qb in college.

[tweety]

We have not effecfively used our most versatile players Smith and Clayton. We can always move the ball through them.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='14 October 2009 - 11:27 AM' timestamp='1255534045' post='256941']
Honestly, I don't see why brown and williams are so productive out of that formatiuon anyway. All they are doing is running with the ball, the only difference is they take the snap rather than taking a handoff. OK, that gives them a second or 2 heard start as compared to handing the ball off but if the defense plays disciplined football then how is it different than a normal running play. Pat White adds a scary dimension I will admit due to him playing qb in college.
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Brown is the key. The way Gruden and Jaws have broken down how the Wildcat operates in two Miami MNF games this year have shown me how good Brown really is. When he snaps the ball, he reads whether the DE is playing contain or trying to running around the edge. Depending on what the DE does, Brown either hands it off to Ricky sweeping around or keep it himself and find a hole.

I really don't remember how the Ravens seemingly stopped the Wildcat with ease but I'm sure gap integrity and discipline were a big part of it.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='14 October 2009 - 11:27 AM' timestamp='1255534045' post='256941']
Honestly, I don't see why brown and williams are so productive out of that formatiuon anyway. All they are doing is running with the ball, the only difference is they take the snap rather than taking a handoff. OK, that gives them a second or 2 heard start as compared to handing the ball off but if the defense plays disciplined football then how is it different than a normal running play. Pat White adds a scary dimension I will admit due to him playing qb in college.
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It sounds simple. But Ronnie is reading the D and determining the option to take. They can also make the D commit to something but then change directions quickly with a handoff or hold.

The way they're executing it is amazing. Ronnie's playing smart ball. They must be averaging over 5 yards per play on the wildcat - probably more.

Plus they are starting to look for the pass more, as apparent in the last game. Ronnie only threw once, but he looked for the pass a couple other times as well.

[Gtown Purple]

Gap integrity and man assignments are key. It's similar to playing the option. One man plays the qb and another plays the back. The blocking scheme in the wild cat is similar to a isolation play, each lineman just fires off and hits his guy and maybe gets to the second level depending. The back has his choice of which hole to go through similar to a stretch play. Against a disciplined defense the wildcat shouldn't work in all honesty. I do credit brown for having good vision and decisiveness.



[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 October 2009 - 11:35 AM' timestamp='1255534550' post='256948']
Brown is the key. The way Gruden and Jaws have broken down how the Wildcat operates in two Miami MNF games this year have shown me how good Brown really is. When he snaps the ball, he reads whether the DE is playing contain or trying to running around the edge. Depending on what the DE does, Brown either hands it off to Ricky sweeping around or keep it himself and find a hole.

I really don't remember how the Ravens seemingly stopped the Wildcat with ease but I'm sure gap integrity and disciplines was a big part of it.
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[12th man]

well were is our fake punt?? if we would have done this once it would make the difference i know you can't make a habbit of this but come on., somthing to get a spark. it's kinda like Cam showed us all this inventive stuff and now we don't use it.

[McBoller]

[quote name='12th man' date='15 October 2009 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1255619862' post='257602']
well were is our fake punt?? if we would have done this once it would make the difference i know you can't make a habbit of this but come on., somthing to get a spark. it's kinda like Cam showed us all this inventive stuff and now we don't use it.
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yeah, i cant quite figure that out. Our offense sputtered 3 or 4 times before Reeds pick6. I guess they figured it was going to be a close game and didnt need to pull any trickery, but when u look as inept as our offense did u have to do something. I guess they just arent practicing those things anymore bc they think flacco is so awesome he can complete passes to double covered tight ends and c level slot receivers...

[Alexir]

We should run the wishbone. Or just run the real wild cat with Ray Rice, Leron and Willis.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1255638371' post='257786']
We should run the wishbone. Or just run the real wild cat with Ray Rice, Leron and Willis.
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wth is the wishbone?

[Alexir]

[quote name='McBoller' date='15 October 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1255638466' post='257788']
wth is the wishbone?
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3 Running backs behind and to the side of the quarterback.

dammit my diagram isnt workin, its like a triangle around the qb.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1255638610' post='257793']
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3 Running backs behind and to the side of the quarterback.

dammit my diagram isnt workin, its like a triangle around the qb.
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oh yeah, Miami runs that a lot...

[mhead66]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 October 2009 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1255638610' post='257793']
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3 Running backs behind and to the side of the quarterback.

dammit my diagram isnt workin, its like a triangle around the qb.
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Yeah, the Wishbone was a great college formation, in the old days... A FB and 2 RBs behind the FB, and a quick QB runs the option left/right, has 3 options to pitch it to... or a receiver to pass to, with 3 blockers around him to pass protect. Kind of like a Triple Option offense.

Only problem is, NFL players are too quick, and the 'Bone needs time to develop...

But I love the way you're thinking - the Ravens' best Offensive players, all on the field at once - The OLine, Flacco, McClain as FB, Rice & Willis, and Heap & Mason in the flat.

[Gtown Purple]

The system my high school team ran....


[quote name='McBoller' date='15 October 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1255638466' post='257788']
wth is the wishbone?
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[Gtown Purple]

The threat of a pass is what I think is most dangerous about the formation. Brown can chuck it if he needs to but Pat White is getting in the mix more.



[quote name='PuRock' date='14 October 2009 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1255534816' post='256954']
It sounds simple. But Ronnie is reading the D and determining the option to take. They can also make the D commit to something but then change directions quickly with a handoff or hold.

The way they're executing it is amazing. Ronnie's playing smart ball. They must be averaging over 5 yards per play on the wildcat - probably more.

Plus they are starting to look for the pass more, as apparent in the last game. Ronnie only threw once, but he looked for the pass a couple other times as well.
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[Perfekt]

i dont think trick plays will work all the time but i feel that a few here and there will make it to where our offense will get a little breathing room to make plays.

[J-man]

I think we shoould try one of those Clayton passes, or Flacco throws to clayton, then clayton back to flacco, then flacco deep or check down to rice who could just run forever

[Virginia Ravens Fan]

Hey Ravens Fans,

Getting back to my original suggestion, Atwaan Randel El. He was a QB at IU and has good hands. Get rid of the dead weight and pickup Antwaan. He not only adds depth to the receiving corps but was an excellent KR and PR in the Steeler offense. He's a wasted talent in DC and Troy Smith can easily replace Jason Campbell. Use him in the RAVENS "WildCat" and let it Rock!! God Bless from Iraq!!

[Virginia Ravens Fan]

Hey RAVENS Fans,

Let's get back to my original suggestion. Troy Smith and Jalen Parmalee for Atwaan Randel El. Randel El has excellent hands, was an excellent KR and PR for the Steeler City. Get rid of the dead weight LJ Smith, David Tyree, Chris Carr. You want a "WildCat" that can Run and Pass get Randel El and help out the Skins by giving them a legitimate QB. God Bless from Iraq!!

[Gtown Purple]

Isn't that alot to give up for him? Ever since he left Pittsburgh he hasn't performed the same, that may be because the redskins are using him wrong. We have Webb who can be our returner. The "trick" about trick plays is when you run them. You can't run them multiple times a game and expect them to fool the opposing team. These are plays you see once or twice a season if at all. The element of surprise is the key here. As I mentioned before, we don't need the wildcat to be effective. Look at what we did in the first 4 games without the wildcat. we averaged 31 points per game without it.



[quote name='Virginia Ravens Fan' date='16 October 2009 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1255667633' post='258030']
Hey RAVENS Fans,

Let's get back to my original suggestion. Troy Smith and Jalen Parmalee for Atwaan Randel El. Randel El has excellent hands, was an excellent KR and PR for the Steeler City. Get rid of the dead weight LJ Smith, David Tyree, Chris Carr. You want a "WildCat" that can Run and Pass get Randel El and help out the Skins by giving them a legitimate QB. God Bless from Iraq!!
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