David Tyree Signing With Ravens

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 October 2009 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1255463975' post='256276']
The team felt bringing in a more experienced corner(Foxworth) was better. You can't say they were wrong yet either.
[/quote]

Well if anything a little depth at the CB position wouldn't hurt. A pass-rushing LB? Suggs - Barnes - McClain. Dwan Edwards for that matter if you want to talk DE.

We have all these fast little guys trying to play with the big boys and they keep falling.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 October 2009 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1255463975' post='256276']
The team felt bringing in a more experienced corner(Foxworth) was better. You can't say they were wrong yet either.
[/quote]
Well I cant say ive watched every Miami game, but that one play Smith made to break up the deep pass to Braylon Edwards showed me a lot. If hes an inch shorter he doesnt make that play, and hes got the footspeed to keep up as well. Foxworth may be fast but he doesnt have the footwork(constantly tripping over his own feet and stumbling around) doesnt have the coverage(too short, lack of aggressiveness sometimes) and lacks the general football IQ(constantly getting beat inside on man coverage blitzes)

[PuRock]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='13 October 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1255464141' post='256280']
Uhhh, the Phins selected 2 CB's in rounds 1 & 2 of the draft. Yes they did grab Vontae, but they also (let me research....) did select....

Round 2 (61) - Sean Smith, CB, Utah– 6’4”, 214 lbs., born July 17, 1987

Big guy, finesse player, but may be lacking on the hit and tackle end of things. May need some work before he is ready. In his last two seasons, he totaled nine interceptions and 15 pass breakups.

6'4 - JESUS Ozzie!
[/quote]

You want to talk about a physical corner. There he is.

FYI he was a classmate of Kruger at Utah. And they were drafted 3 spots apart.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='13 October 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1255464141' post='256280']
Uhhh, the Phins selected 2 CB's in rounds 1 & 2 of the draft. Yes they did grab Vontae, but they also (let me research....) did select....

Round 2 (61) - Sean Smith, CB, Utah– 6’4”, 214 lbs., [b]born July 17, 1987[/b]

Big guy, finesse player, but may be lacking on the hit and tackle end of things. May need some work before he is ready. In his last two seasons, he totaled nine interceptions and 15 pass breakups.

6'4 - JESUS Ozzie!
[/quote]

That's my exact birthday!

[PuRock]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='13 October 2009 - 04:07 PM' timestamp='1255464461' post='256289']
That's my exact birthday!
[/quote]

Now the question is can you play corner?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='13 October 2009 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1255463931' post='256275']
So the solution was to do nothing at all?

I can't speak for Bullrush, but even if Boldin and Marshall weren't "possibilities," we still needed to do something, and the fact is that our big offseason move was to sign [i]Kelly Washington[/i].

It was a pipedream to think that Mason/Clayton/Williams/Washington would miraculously turn into a cohesive unit.

The fact is that receivers have the highest burnout rate in the NFL, and we're going through Travis Taylor part deux with Clayton right now with no "plan B."

What are we going to do next year? Draft another wide receiver and watch him not pan out as well? Why don't we just trade for a proven wide receiver as we clearly cannot produce our own? Yes, we would take a cap hit, lose a quality player, or have to fork over a draft pick, but you can't have everything, and with our wide receivers right now, we have nothing anyway.
[/quote]

Wow. The fact is, Mason, Clayton and Wahsington [i]have[/i] turned into a cohesive unit. One game of fine CB play doesn't change that.

How in the heck can you call Clayton "Travis Taylor part deux"? Clayton didn't drop a ball all last year and only has two on target drops this year? Taylor dropped the ball regularity his entire career.

How do you know he won't pan out if the team drafts another receiver next year? Yes, they have failed before but the CB class is loaded next year and not with undersized playmakers like Clayton was but big-bodied studs that can be productive in the NFL.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='13 October 2009 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1255463931' post='256275']
So the solution was to do nothing at all?

I can't speak for Bullrush, but even if Boldin and Marshall weren't "possibilities," we still needed to do something, and the fact is that our big offseason move was to sign [i]Kelly Washington[/i].

It was a pipedream to think that Mason/Clayton/Williams/Washington would miraculously turn into a cohesive unit.

I realize that a few of the wide receivers in Baltimore, and some guys on the practice squad (Riley/Smith/etc.), have nice "potential," but again, every single wide receiver has that potential as it is the nature of their position to be quick and make big plays.

The fact is that receivers have the highest burnout rate in the NFL, and we're going through Travis Taylor part deux with Clayton right now with no "plan B."

[b][u]What are we going to do next year? Draft another wide receiver and watch him not pan out as well? Why don't we just trade for a proven wide receiver as we clearly cannot produce our own? Yes, we would take a cap hit, lose a quality player, or have to fork over a draft pick, but you can't have everything, and with our wide receivers right now, we have nothing anyway.
[/u][/b][/quote]

[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/plus-un2.gif[/img] ,000

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='PuRock' date='13 October 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1255464157' post='256281']
Well if anything a little depth at the CB position wouldn't hurt. A pass-rushing LB? [b]Suggs - Barnes - McClain. Dwan Edwards [/b]for that matter if you want to talk DE.

We have all these fast little guys trying to play with the big boys and they keep falling.
[/quote]

How many sacks do those guys have? You can never have too many GOOD pass rushers. Edwards, Barnes and McClain have talent, but haven't seen them near the QB much. I think Kruger will be solid once he develops, just need to have patience with the rookie. I feel like some people forget that this is the NFL and everyone can't just walk in and be a dominating force in the league.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='13 October 2009 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1255463931' post='256275']
So the solution was to do nothing at all?

I can't speak for Bullrush, but even if Boldin and Marshall weren't "possibilities," we still needed to do something, and the fact is that our big offseason move was to sign [i]Kelly Washington[/i].

It was a pipedream to think that Mason/Clayton/Williams/Washington would miraculously turn into a cohesive unit.

I realize that a few of the wide receivers in Baltimore, and some guys on the practice squad (Riley/Smith/etc.), have nice "potential," but again, every single wide receiver has that potential as it is the nature of their position to be quick and make big plays.

The fact is that receivers have the highest burnout rate in the NFL, and we're going through Travis Taylor part deux with Clayton right now with no "plan B."

What are we going to do next year? Draft another wide receiver and watch him not pan out as well? Why don't we just trade for a proven wide receiver as we clearly cannot produce our own? Yes, we would take a cap hit, lose a quality player, or have to fork over a draft pick, but you can't have everything, and with our wide receivers right now, we have nothing anyway.
[/quote]
First of all to call Clayton "Travis Taylor part deux" is kind of foolish. Travis Taylor SUCKED. While Mark Clayton isn't a pro bowl receiver,he's a heck of alot better than Taylor was. Also, Kelly Washington wasn't brought here to be a go to receiver, he was brought here because he was a solid special teams player and he has panned out to be a lot better than we expected him to be. Actually, I think he needs to be on the field more often.Would the Ravens benefit from having a star WR? yes. But you have to remember, who is taking Ray Lewis' place in a few years? Are either Zibby or Haruki really an answer for when Reed retires? We have to find out if Kruger is going to be a long term solution when Pryce goes as well. Just saying that WR isn't the only position that is going to have a need in the near future

[McBoller]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='13 October 2009 - 04:13 PM' timestamp='1255464785' post='256295']
How many sacks do those guys have? You can never have too many GOOD pass rushers. Edwards, Barnes and McClain have talent, but haven't seen them near the QB much. I think Kruger will be solid once he develops, just need to have patience with the rookie. I feel like some people forget that this is the NFL and everyone can't just walk in and be a dominating force in the league.
[/quote]
you're right, you cant have too many good pass rushers. From what Ive seen so far, itwould be nice to have one GOOD pass rusher

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='PuRock' date='13 October 2009 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1255464519' post='256290']
Now the question is can you play corner?
[/quote]


I can. But I might be too small.

6'1 217lbs, I run a 40 in 4.63s

Didnt goto college, instead joined the military. Im in Kuwait right now instead of playing for the Ravens! lol

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='13 October 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1255464157' post='256281']
Well if anything a little depth at the CB position wouldn't hurt. A pass-rushing LB? Suggs - Barnes - McClain. Dwan Edwards for that matter if you want to talk DE.

We have all these fast little guys trying to play with the big boys and they keep falling.
[/quote]

A little depth at LB/DE doesn't hurt either. Kruger was brought in to replace Pryce. He isn't big enough to be a 3-4 DE. I still think he should be playing but that's another story.

To me size isn't very important when playing corner. There have been dozens of corners 5'10 or under who have had good careers in the NFL.


[quote name='McBoller' date='13 October 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1255464214' post='256283']
Well I cant say ive watched every Miami game, but that one play Smith made to break up the deep pass to Braylon Edwards showed me a lot. If hes an inch shorter he doesnt make that play, and hes got the footspeed to keep up as well.
[/quote]

Key phrase: that one play. I remember Foxworth making a great play while covering V-Jax to bat down a deep ball against the Chargers. Does that mean he's had a great year or is better than anyone else?

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='PuRock' date='13 October 2009 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1255464519' post='256290']
Now the question is can you play corner?
[/quote]

Define "play"

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='13 October 2009 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1255465057' post='256299']
I can. But I might be too small.

6'1 217lbs, I run a 40 in 4.63s

Didnt goto college, instead joined the military. Im in Kuwait right now instead of playing for the Ravens! lol
[/quote]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='13 October 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1255465324' post='256305']
Define "play"
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Sounds good. Open tryouts like the movie Invincible.

[Bltravens]

lets just all line up at the team facility tomorrow and say "we're here for the open CB tryout" one of us has got be able to make a play one time right?!

[ravensalways]

I hope this is for WR and ST. If it's just for a WR I would be dissapointed because we have 2 WR's on the practice squad that I would like to see get another shot.

I had to check if this was still the david tyree thread with all the CB talk.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='13 October 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1255465637' post='256309']
lets just all line up at the team facility tomorrow and say "we're here for the open CB tryout" one of us has got be able to make a play one time right?!
[/quote]

I'm 6'3" 220. Can't say I'm as fast as I used to be. Turning 30 in a few months.

[ArtModells Moving Company]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 October 2009 - 02:19 PM' timestamp='1255465184' post='256302']
A little depth at LB/DE doesn't hurt either. Kruger was brought in to replace Pryce. He isn't big enough to be a 3-4 DE. I still think he should be playing but that's another story.

[b]To me size isn't very important when playing corner. There have been dozens of corners 5'10 or under who have had good careers in the NFL.
[/b]

[/quote]

I agree. Look no further than Antoine Winfield.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='13 October 2009 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1255465707' post='256313']
I'm 6'3" 220. Can't say I'm as fast as I used to be. Turning 30 in a few months.
[/quote]
Shoot you can be our new SS, or maybe your the WR we've been looking for.

Im 5'11 202, used to be a pro athlete gotta count for something right?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ArtModells Moving Company' date='13 October 2009 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1255465816' post='256315']
I agree. Look no further than Antoine Winfield.
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Or Darrell Green. Some people will say those guys are the exceptions but if those guys can be physical, why can't you? I can understand if that's not your game but when a receiver shoves you to the ground and holds you there with one arm, you need to man up.

[quote name='ravensalways' date='13 October 2009 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1255465680' post='256311']
I hope this is for WR and ST. If it's just for a WR I would be dissapointed because we have 2 WR's on the practice squad that I would like to see get another shot.

I had to check if this was still the david tyree thread with all the CB talk.
[/quote]

Of course Tyree's was signed for special teams. Kelley Washington is the man but considering Tyree has over 40 less catches in his career than Kelley, you know he's going to be playing special teams.

[ArtModells Moving Company]

[quote name='ravensalways' date='13 October 2009 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1255465680' post='256311']
I hope this is for WR and ST. If it's just for a WR I would be dissapointed because we have 2 WR's on the practice squad that I would like to see get another shot.

[b]I had to check if this was still the david tyree thread with all the CB talk. [/b]
[/quote]

There isn't 3 pages worth of David Tyree to talk about.

[mhead66]

[quote name='McBoller' date='13 October 2009 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1255465025' post='256298']
you're right, you cant have too many good pass rushers. From what Ive seen so far, itwould be nice to have one GOOD pass rusher
[/quote]
At the time the starting rosters were released, I said that 10 Linebackers were too many, and 4 WRs - with Kelley Washington (who's done well) only catching one pass the last 2 seasons, as the #1 backup. David Tyree was probably brought in as a ST player - he made the ProBowl as a ST player in '05, and he replaces BA... but the fact remains, the depth at corner and WR are a concern...

[J-man]

I love this. Our special teams suck, and a extra receiver can't hurt us.

[Richmond Raven]

[font="Tahoma"]Why are we not going after a big, deep threat WR. There are a couple guys out there who are not happy where they are and would fit in to give Flacco that tall go to speed guy.[/font]

[mhead66]

[quote name='Richmond Raven' date='13 October 2009 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1255467428' post='256342']
[font="Tahoma"]Why are we not going after a big, deep threat WR. There are a couple guys out there who are not happy where they are and would fit in to give Flacco that tall go to speed guy.[/font]
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If there were any impact WRs, tall and fast, they wouldn't be Free Agents. All have liabilities, or they would be on someone's roster.

Tyree is useful, as J-Man said - he's a ST asset, and could be a backup WR - but he doesn't solve any WR problems the Ravens may have. I certainly don't think he's better, as a WR, than Mason, Clayton or Washington.

Figurs just got signed by TB... That tells you the talent pool remaining. They had brought in Chris Davis (7 career receptions), Jordan Kent (1 career reception) and Matt Jones...

[flygunit88]

this aint gonna change nothing...he couldnt even make a New york team he helped win a superbowl with...just a waste of money...imo...

[Richmond Raven]

I think even Matt Jones could have been the tall deep threat, granted he comes with baggage, however Ozzie knows how to handle those guys. Why didn't we go after Marshall, or Boldin when he was looking to get traded?

[ArtModells Moving Company]

[quote name='Richmond Raven' date='13 October 2009 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1255468177' post='256361']
I think even Matt Jones could have been the tall deep threat, granted he comes with baggage, however Ozzie knows how to handle those guys. [b]Why didn't we go after Marshall[/b], or Boldin when he was looking to get traded?
[/quote]

Considering Denver had no plans to trade him, unless you were up for just kidnapping him or targeting him for a hit, I'm not sure how the Ravens could have gone after him.

[KelleyWashington#1]

[quote name='Richmond Raven' date='13 October 2009 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1255468177' post='256361']
I think even Matt Jones could have been the tall deep threat, granted he comes with baggage, however Ozzie knows how to handle those guys. Why didn't we go after Marshall, or Boldin when he was looking to get traded?
[/quote]

Because they cost too much! We dont have the cap room to sign them yet. Hence david tyree. I do think Kelley Washington has panned out well for us and should be put in Clayton's spot (just for a couple games) to see what he could give us as a deep threat. Hes tall, fast and very reliable at catching the football. It wouldnt hurt. As for Tyree, he will mostly see ST but I wouldnt mind seeing him line up as a 4th reciever here and there...

[Richmond Raven]

[quote name='ArtModells Moving Company' date='13 October 2009 - 04:13 PM' timestamp='1255468394' post='256368']
Considering Denver had no plans to trade him, unless you were up for just kidnapping him or targeting him for a hit, I'm not sure how the Ravens could have gone after him.
[/quote]

When McDaniels first came on board, he and Marshall got off on the wrong foot, and then he suspended him the month of Aug. There was a window there where he was looking to get out of there. Regardless however, it seems that we are always bringing in B/C caliber WR, we need that A WR. Mason has done a tremendous job, as good as he can do, but he needs some support and someone to take the pressure off, and Clayton was never able to do that and live up to his potential.