Ravens Audition Veteran Free Agent Receivers Again?

[theFRANCHISE]

The Ravens brought in former Giants WR David Tyree for another tryout Monday, as well as former Raiders WR Ronald Curry. Neither were signed immediately to a contract, according to a league source.

Link: [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Ravens-try-out-Ronald-Curry.html"]The National Football Post[/url]

The link itself doesn't contain much beyond that snippet (other than background info), but interesting move. This could signal the eventual demotion of Mark Clayton and the possible elevation of Kelley Washington, as such a move wouldn't make much sense if all four receivers (Clayton, Washington, Derrick Mason, and Demetrius Williams) are all healthy and active. Keep in mind, the signing of a veteran wouldn't necessarily signal an [i]immediate[/i] benching of Clayton, as there would still be growing pains in having a new player even as the #3 receiver, but this could be just one of many evaluative changes that Coach Harbaugh promised. Also, Mason may have some injury issues stemming from Week 4 that hadn't been disclosed publicly yet, so this could be insurance depth for all we know.

Either way, a signing wouldn't be a ground-breaking move by any means, but a move nonetheless.

[MagicianCamille]

Uhm, I don't see Clayton being demoted. I can see someone being brought in to be a fourth receiver over Mr. Irrelevant, Demetrius Williams though. Has he caught a pass yet?

Either way, our problem isn't receivers, it's not running the ball enough despite high yards per carry.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I would rather add depth at nickelback, or just cornerback in general!

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='13 October 2009 - 01:49 AM' timestamp='1255412997' post='255912']
I would rather add depth at nickelback, or just cornerback in general!
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There's no one out there that I know of that would be worth bringing in.

Wouldn't mind seeing Curry coming aboard. He's got some talent, and god knows we could use some of that at WR.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I think we'll work through our problems, so we probably don't need a trade. I know you aren't high on #89 though so I see where you're coming from.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='13 October 2009 - 02:34 AM' timestamp='1255415655' post='255918']
I think we'll work through our problems, so we probably don't need a trade. I know you aren't high on #89 though so I see where you're coming from.
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didnt mean just because of him. Mace is either going to retire, or be like 96 years old next year, so we need all the help and depth we can get. lets see what Curry's got.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Touche!

[drfeelgood]

I am no Clayton fan at all and I am all for bring guys in that will make us better, as for our secondary we need help. What we have is just not working. We are giving up a like of Touchdowns and big pass plays. We finally got an offence(Even with clayton on the field) and now our defence is not doing their part. These big arm QB's are killing us and from the look of it , it will not get any better. We have the Vikes next week(Brett is doing what he does best), the Broncos(Coming off a great win against New England) and then Bengals again. All these teams coming in the next 3 weeks have good QB's and WR's who could embarass our secondary.

The worst part is . its really no one in free agency thats stands out to be of any help..but then again we can't get any worst.

[Guest RBates]

What about getting another corner like an Allen Rossum or Justin Miller to help out with the return game. Getting another receiver at this point isn't something I'm willing to consider. Just put Kelley Washington on the field please and get Foxworth some help in the secondary. He gets beat every week. I'm tired of seeing this guy give up the big play. Defensively we need a linebacker to step up and make some plays they are killing our corners because the lack of QB pressure. Kelley Gregg may not be the answer on the d-line we need a guy that can take some of the double teams off Haloti. If we cant be strong we must be quick and stop tipping your hand before the snap Gregg mattison your d is so predictable.

[POPS1]

Good analysis. Ravens have to always be looking for someone who can help but seems a bit unusual timing for another WR tryout, one of whom they tried out not long ago. Can only assume play of someone has triggered the tryout and since Williams has been dog-housed all season, all roads would seem to point to Clayton as you correctly suggest. Any available cover corners out there?

[theFRANCHISE]

Allen Rossum is the only corner on the market that immediately comes to mind as being worth a look, but his value is more as a returner than even a nickelback (he only has 2 interceptions in his 10+ year career.)

All indications are that, if the Ravens were to acquire a big-name free agent CB, it may be someone like Dunta Robinson of the Houston Texans next offseason; essentially, someone with talent who's unhappy with their situation but is far from a behavioral problem. Drafting a CB may not be the way to go in this case since he may not be immediately ready to start as one would hope (see: Lardarius Webb.)

Going back to the subject of this tryout, I still firmly believe that it would only be spurred by performance or injury, given the timing. Speaking strictly to performance, I'm again looking to Mark Clayton or Demetrius Williams as being on shaky ground.

[I AM LEGEND]

I can think of a CB out there In Free Agency that can help this team...

*evil laugh*

muahahahajaha

[Runnin Raven]

I don't know how D-Will can be on "shaky ground" if he never actually sees the field at wideout. There is no way any of those guys we tried out are any better than Justin Harper. No way.

[Just_Chad]

"@RavensInsider Demetrius Williams' stock has hit an all-time low. Not high on the coaching staff's list right now. Stay tuned."

Take that for how you will.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Just_Chad' date='13 October 2009 - 08:16 AM' timestamp='1255443388' post='255989']
"@RavensInsider Demetrius Williams' stock has hit an all-time low. Not high on the coaching staff's list right now. Stay tuned."

Take that for how you will.
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Harbaugh needs to save it with his my way or the highway crap, you can be on the same team as someone you dont like as long as you respect them and their space. Your really going to bring in some WR bums that are 30 years old instead of playing your finally healthy only vertical threat because what he doesnt practice balls to the wall, maybe he doesnt practice balls to the wall cuz he thinks its useless cuz u wont play his ****** anyway. Why dont you go sit Foxworth's useless ******, hey if your looking to bring in a FA WR and downgrading the talent at a talentless position you better do the damn same at corner.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 02:16 AM' timestamp='1255414566' post='255915']
There's no one out there that I know of that would be worth bringing in.
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If the team is willing to try out Tyree and Curry, why not try out Patrick Surtain or Mike McKenzie? To me, this team needs a CB more than it does a receiver? Can you imagine Carr playing nickel against Peyton?

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='13 October 2009 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1255441185' post='255972']
All indications are that, if the Ravens were to acquire a big-name free agent CB, it may be someone like Dunta Robinson of the Houston Texans next offseason; essentially, someone with talent who's unhappy with their situation but is far from a behavioral problem. Drafting a CB may not be the way to go in this case since he may not be immediately ready to start as one would hope (see: Lardarius Webb.)
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I understand what you mean but Webb isn't ready because he's undersized and played for a subdivision school. Look at the Colts. Two of their starting corners are rookies. One of them wasn't even drafted. I'm sure a player like Perrish Cox(who I hope the Ravens draft) from Oklahoma State would come in and ready to play from day one.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 October 2009 - 08:29 AM' timestamp='1255444178' post='255996']
If the team is willing to try out Tyree and Curry, why not try out Patrick Surtain or Mike McKenzie? To me, this team needs a CB more than it does a receiver? Can you imagine Carr playing nickel against Peyton?
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I am instantly regretting getting Colts/Ravens tickets for that very reason.

[Mishel]

Tyree is supposed to be an excellent special teams player...perhaps we are looking at him to fill the void Ayanbadejo's injury has left on special teams?

[NeoZer0]

Where is Marvin Harrison in this? He is still on the market right? Yeah, he's old. But he has great hands.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='13 October 2009 - 01:49 AM' timestamp='1255412997' post='255912']
I would rather add depth at nickelback, or just cornerback in general!
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Our wide receivers are every bit as bad as our cornerbacks.

The cornerbacks look worse than they are because the d-line isn't getting any pressure, while the wide receivers look better than they are due to Flacco and a good running game.

Furthermore, you don't see wide receivers screw up as the camera isn't on them if they don't get the ball, whereas cornerbacks' mistakes are obvious.

Our wide receivers are absolutely abysmal; they're horrendous, and not picking up a legitimate WR in the offseason looks really, really bad right now.

We had doubts that our wide receivers were going to be really bad, but after a mirage in the preseason and first few games, those fears completely disappeared. Now, however, the ugly truth has come to a head.

I don't mean to be overly pessimistic, but our wide receivers haven't been good all season; their numbers in the first four games came as a result of playing horrible defenses. Make no mistake, Flacco still struggled to find anyone even in those games because they simply do not get open.

Heap and Rice should be thanking Clayton, Washington, and Williams, though, as they are definitely benefiting from being the checkdown men.

I don't mean to understate the magnitude of the suckage of our secondary, though, as they're terrible too.

[BeastModeOn]

[quote name='RBates' date='13 October 2009 - 03:44 AM' timestamp='1255423458' post='255930']
What about getting another corner like an Allen Rossum or Justin Miller to help out with the return game. Getting another receiver at this point isn't something I'm willing to consider. Just put Kelley Washington on the field please and get Foxworth some help in the secondary. He gets beat every week. I'm tired of seeing this guy give up the big play. Defensively we need a linebacker to step up and make some plays they are killing our corners because the lack of QB pressure. Kelley Gregg may not be the answer on the d-line we need a guy that can take some of the double teams off Haloti. If we cant be strong we must be quick and stop tipping your hand before the snap Gregg mattison your d is so predictable.
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man ur funny on the whole foxworth thing. u must not go and watch the corners carefully, cuz they hardly never get beat. one play. and lets jump on it right, lol. that was a push off on henry btw, but yea lets say he gets beat every week and call him a bad corner. if anything we need help at linebackers, safetys cuz guess what they cant cover worth crap.. especially chris carr.. landry gets embarrased to much and carr just gives up the big play.. go read corners topics or something then make ur post. because alot of peeps on here put blame on the corners.. lol, wheres the pressure. find another team out there who has great corners. lets use last night game for example. chad henne had all the time in the world to throw the ball last night cuz of no pressure what happened. every1 was open, jeez even darrell revis gave up big plays. and i have talked to so many other team fans and they even say stop blaming ur own corners for ur pathetic pass rush and giving an elite quarterback all day to throw. it also doesnt help when ur linebackers can cover either over the middle.. WHERE DOES FOXWORTH GET BEAT... noone cant talk [i]<trash>[/i] about fabian, cuz hes proving hes becoming shut down corner.

[Ed_Reed20]

The only reason I don't see the team bringing in T.O. is because of the asking price. I think it was Adam Schefter who said the Bills are looking for a mid-round pick. With the way Ozzie prizes his draft picks, I don't think he'll pull the trigger.

[Runnin Raven]

I would be the most conflicted football fan on the planet if the Ravens got TO. I HATE that guy.

Is it really that tough a decision to bring up a practice squadder?

[Gtown Purple]

Even if the ravens sign either of them do you think they will make that much of a difference?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 October 2009 - 08:45 AM' timestamp='1255445114' post='256009']
The only reason I don't see the team bringing in T.O. is because of the asking price. I think it was Adam Schefter who said the Bills are looking for a mid-round pick. With the way Ozzie prizes his draft picks, I don't think he'll pull the trigger.
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Seriously who hes drafted in the mid rounds in the past 3 years he should be trading them away right now for guys who actually contribute to teams.

07- Figurs, Yanda, Barnes
08-Cousins, Tom Z, Gooden, Hale, Smith
09-Webb, Phillips, Drew

So in 3 years we have 1 guy who splits time as a starting LB, a situational pass rusher we dont even use in those situations, and 2 ST'ers in Z and Smith. Figurs was useless, Cousins is the holding master, Yanda is a good backup and the rest of the guys havent even seen the field. But guess what you dont draft guys in the 3rd round to be ST'ers. You can find those cats in the FA pool.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='13 October 2009 - 10:53 AM' timestamp='1255445610' post='256019']
Seriously who hes drafted in the mid rounds in the past 3 years he should be trading them away right now for guys who actually contribute to teams.

07- Figurs, Yanda, Barnes
08-Cousins, Tom Z, Gooden, Hale, Smith
09-Webb, Phillips, Drew

So in 3 years we have 1 guy who splits time as a starting LB, a situational pass rusher we dont even use in those situations, and 2 ST'ers in Z and Smith. Figurs was useless, Cousins is the holding master, Yanda is a good backup and the rest of the guys havent even seen the field. But guess what you dont draft guys in the 3rd round to be ST'ers. You can find those cats in the FA pool.
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I'm not saying Ozzie has found absolute studs in the mid-rounds but he's drafted some good players. I think it's too early to judge Webb. What if he become the greatest corner in Ravens history? Zibby hasn't seen the field because better players are ahead of him but he has provided great depth and so have Yanda, Gooden and Barnes. Smith wasn't making strides as a receiver but he was one of the better special teams players on the team.

Players in the mid-rounds are usually players with potential but to a certain degree, projects. It's no surprise you'll miss on a few.

Jason Brown was also selected in the 4th round and look at his last season here.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1255416127' post='255920']
didnt mean just because of him. Mace is either going to retire, or be like 96 years old next year, so we need all the help and depth we can get. lets see what Curry's got.
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probably more than D.will has shown..... WR is deep this year in the draft and i do see D.Mase Retireing after this year

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='13 October 2009 - 08:50 AM' timestamp='1255445422' post='256014']
Even if the ravens sign either of them do you think they will make that much of a difference?
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special teams and wr#4 comp.

[slayback0317]

If we get a reciever He should be tall and fast that seems to be Flaccos recipe for success. And i definatly think our secondery needs help bring in a veteran to help out our corners and keep them working hard and push them for there starting spots.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='13 October 2009 - 10:12 AM' timestamp='1255443155' post='255983']
I don't know how D-Will can be on "shaky ground" if he never actually sees the field at wideout. There is no way any of those guys we tried out are any better than Justin Harper. No way.
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Curry is far superior to Harper. I have no idea how he's not on a roster, but we need to fix that.