Merged: Officiating Threads

[funky141]

Twice now the Ravens are making bad mistakes late in games, why? Two games now that could be Wins.
Can't argue these calls, they were correctly called.

[darklight1216]

I beg to differ. The PI on Ed Reed was NOT a good call.

[bce086]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='11 October 2009 - 04:04 PM' timestamp='1255291445' post='254094']
I beg to differ. The PI on Ed Reed was NOT a good call.
[/quote]

Yea but it should have been called on Walker... so who cares.

[Shawn`]

We played like Ravens

[macbrak]

Meh, if it was PI on Walker, it was the O-PI with 8-5 and Foxworth.

[mdrsharon]

even the obnoxious network guys couldn't figure out that last call on Ed Reed - they did not even show a replay,as they thought the penalty was on Chad so they just handed the game to the Bengals.
Officiating was beyond bad.
Let's see what happens next week...

[Osiris]

NO excuses for these penalties!
Why the hell did Ray hit Ochocinco like that!? The ball was miles away!

Too many mistakes, some questionable play calls.. what about this long 3rd down attempt to Clayton?! We just needed a 1st time and game's over! Oh and Carr SUCKS and our defense is average at best!

[reediddy]

our defense is no longer elite. thanks bye.

and regarding the ray lewis hit. when ray lewis is running full steam at chad, he is expecting chad to make the catch, and he is ready to deliver the hit and jar the ball loose. game speed is too fast for ray to watch the ball and see that it missed ochocinco and then stop his full speed momentum. but when this play is watched on replay of course it looks like a cheap shot. and sooooo many penalties not called against the bengals, such as the hold and offensive PI. if the ravens lose next week we will NOT make the playoffs guaranteed

[Mick0311]

[quote name='funky141' date='11 October 2009 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1255291372' post='254079']
Twice now the Ravens are making bad mistakes late in games, why? Two games now that could be Wins.
Can't argue these calls, they were correctly called.
[/quote]

Yeah, I disagree as well. I think the question is; why are they letting teams play until the 4th quarter, then start calling crap they have let go all game?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='macbrak' date='11 October 2009 - 04:07 PM' timestamp='1255291649' post='254119']
Meh, if it was PI on Walker, it was the O-PI with 8-5 and Foxworth.
[/quote]

I agree. If they want to ignore the contact on that play, how could they call pass interference on Walker? That was the worst call in my opinion. Honestly, none of the penalties are the reasons why the Ravens lost but like last week, they definitely helped the Bengals win the game.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

Maybe Cam needs to go back to last years O plays. We were way more succesful last year. maybe we should not let Flacco air it out this soon. Not a knock on Flacco, judt trying to figure out where we've gone wrong this year

[Flacco-the-Unitas]

My dad called me and said he was giving up on the nfl because of the officiating in this game. I prefer to give it a second chance because I like my Ravens! Just about every call in the fourth qtr was unacceptable- the pass to Ocho that was caught out of bounds, the penalties, and ESPECIALLY the illegal formation on the defence for an extra point!. How does that happen? In just about every game I watch (including last game) I would be able to say the Ravens just needed to play harder and they could have won IN SPITE of zebra calls. Now I see that if a team like the bengals has a history of being "cardiac cats" and someone wants them to win in 4th Qtr, then the refs will make sure this happens even when its BLATANTLY obvious they shouldn't! I see many fans throwing in their towels because of this game or because of the combination of this game and the last. I really can't though. I like my Ravens. They don't officiate the game- they play it. Even with zebras that are out to kill them, I believe we should cheer for them. To think that my ravens can win in spite of corrupt officiating would be AWESOME! To see them in spite of all of the corruption in the playoffs would be miraculous! I already sent them a poem about how great they play as prfessionals. Today proved that as we can see the penalties were far from real. The refs have to make up penalties for teams to win against the Ravens. Just that idea by itself is FANTASTIC! Keep playing guys and play hard! I'll certainly be there.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

it wasnt just our game, steelers OT kicked the ball late in the half no lions arround penalty Lions for delay of game this needs to be fixed sorry nfl fans should be pissed its all the teams the REFS hate they hate baltimore because one ref in 95 was heard saying I should never have to go to baltimore they had thier chance

this is not a new thing

[mhead66]

Sorry...

But after watching the NFL for forty years, I can't believe the refs get together, and decide to penalize the Ravens, because they hate the team. This paranoia is common here, but I think it's perhaps unjustified. I think it's more of a lack of discipline. Players know the rules, they have to have relentless, intense control.

Seems to be an oxymoron, but it's not. Hit as hard as you want, but legally - including on the QB. Play hard, but smart. Refs blow calls, at times - ask the Chargers about Ed Hochuli.

Have to admit, the Suggs RTP call last week was garbage...

[mhead66]

[quote name='funky141' date='11 October 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1255291372' post='254079']
Twice now the Ravens are making bad mistakes late in games, why? Two games now that could be Wins.
Can't argue these calls, they were correctly called.
[/quote]
With all due respect... (you know when you read that, you're gonna get slammed...)

I know the Colts look great right now... but your comments are obvious, and a dagger in the heart for many here. Hence, they were unnecessary.

[Raven_In_Canada]

[quote name='mhead66' date='11 October 2009 - 10:21 PM' timestamp='1255317694' post='254997']
Sorry...

But after watching the NFL for forty years, I can't believe the refs get together, and decide to penalize the Ravens, because they hate the team. This paranoia is common here, but I think it's perhaps unjustified. I think it's more of a lack of discipline. Players know the rules, they have to have relentless, intense control.

Seems to be an oxymoron, but it's not. Hit as hard as you want, but legally - including on the QB. Play hard, but smart. Refs blow calls, at times - ask the Chargers about Ed Hochuli.

Have to admit, the Suggs RTP call last week was garbage...
[/quote]

Well if you've been watching for 40 years, then you know this league is going down the drain fast! They introduce rules every year so that the defense can't do anything!! Do you think Ray would have been called for that 10-15 years ago?

IMO, the sporting world is getting pussified, it's not just the NFL. I'm from Canada, I stop watching the NHL in 97 because it's started to become a no hit league. I can vouch for other sports too. Now will I have to stop watching the NFL because I'm pissed off every game even when we win?!? What's the point of having a defense if you're gonna get them so many rules that they won't be able to do anything. The Ravens front seven belongs in the 90's and that's not being disrespectful, actually, it's a compliment. The 21st century is a joke in contact sports!

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='bce086' date='11 October 2009 - 04:05 PM' timestamp='1255291515' post='254104']
Yea but it should have been called on Walker... so who cares.
[/quote]

WHY? WHAT should be called? He didn't do anything but break up the pass! You people are SO persuaded by what you hear some commentator or analyst say when they describe a game. There was no penalty on that play. And when they called it on Reed I thought... okay, I missed something and just didn't see it. Now after seeing replays, Reed was nowhere near any receivers... and the explanation is that they meant to call it on WALKER? Only... Walker didn't do anything.

The call is ridiculous. The calls in the Patriots game were ridiculous. And this has been how the NFL has treated the Ravens for the last 6 years.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='reediddy' date='11 October 2009 - 04:41 PM' timestamp='1255293680' post='254295']
our defense is no longer elite. thanks bye.

and regarding the ray lewis hit. when ray lewis is running full steam at chad, he is expecting chad to make the catch, and he is ready to deliver the hit and jar the ball loose. game speed is too fast for ray to watch the ball and see that it missed ochocinco and then stop his full speed momentum. but when this play is watched on replay of course it looks like a cheap shot. and sooooo many penalties not called against the bengals, such as the hold and offensive PI. if the ravens lose next week we will NOT make the playoffs guaranteed
[/quote]

I agree with you on everything EXCEPT that the play looks like a cheap shot. I watched it plenty of times on replay and I still don't get how it's anyone could see this as such. Ray Lewis's head is BEHIND Ocho's head. There was no helmet to helmet contact. That was all shoulder. And the hit wasn't late. Look, this was OchoCinco going over the middle. He's tall, and he can jump. This is not Wes Welker. There's a completely legitimate chance that Chad came down with that throw.

But still, the call after that one... there was absolutely NOTHING that would warrant ANY penalty. Frank Walker made a great play on the ball and broke it up and did NOT get there before the ball. Just blatant cheating.

[korkaz]

The Two Worst Calls IMO was the Horrible spot but that was a fumble and never should have been spotted bad

[quote name='darklight1216' date='11 October 2009 - 12:04 PM' timestamp='1255291445' post='254094']
I beg to differ. The PI on Ed Reed was NOT a good call.
[/quote]

Wrong player right call

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

By speaking out against the officiating, we probably did ourselves no favours... even if we were correct in our stance. Developing a negative reputation amongst the officials will hurt us again and again when one or two dicey calls are key in determining the game.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Raven_In_Canada' date='11 October 2009 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1255321408' post='255046']
Well if you've been watching for 40 years, then you know this league is going down the drain fast! They introduce rules every year so that the defense can't do anything!! Do you think Ray would have been called for that 10-15 years ago?

IMO, the sporting world is getting pussified, it's not just the NFL. I'm from Canada, I stop watching the NHL in 97 because it's started to become a no hit league. I can vouch for other sports too. Now will I have to stop watching the NFL because I'm pissed off every game even when we win?!? What's the point of having a defense if you're gonna get them so many rules that they won't be able to do anything. The Ravens front seven belongs in the 90's and that's not being disrespectful, actually, it's a compliment. The 21st century is a joke in contact sports!
[/quote]
If your truly Canadian and know hockey then you can pinpoint the root of the NHLs wussification problems. The Instigator Rule, that one rule single handedly ruined hockey from what it was to what it is now. Theres no retribution for being a dope on the ice, nobody can regulate the game within the game. Superstars get dinged up all game because the good ol boys cant take care of them. Sean Avery would not be in the game anywhere if players could beat his a** three times a game because of all the bush league crap he does. Now theres no more redline, F'in shootouts, you get a point for losing in OT why the hell would you get a point for losing in OT. Thank you Gary Bettman, you ruined hockey.

The front 7 belongs in the 90s and early 00s, the secondary belongs in 2056 where everything is done in some weird simulation so nobody gets hurt. Ray Lewis must go home and watch his old game tapes and cry "where did this game" go.

[korkaz]

There are gonna be bad calls "cough fumble" but like Harbaugh said in press conf & I remember marvin saying in the past you have to put yourself in position to win even if so you dont get screwed by few bad calls the Ravens didn't do that they were out played in every part of the game...But I don't see this holding ravens back still be in run for division.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Sports are being 'de-physicalised' in my opinion, also. In New Zealand, Rugby is our national sport. Decades ago, in a ruck (for those who don't know the game, a ruck is the pile of bodies after a tackle where possession is contested), players were aloud to 'ruck' - or use their cleats on their boots to clear the bodies of tacklers away. In essence, this meant that attackers use their boots almost in a cycling motion to get the defenders off the ball.

However, this rule has been removed from the game, and is policed more and more strictly every season. In the early 1990s, famous All Black Wayne Shelford had his scrotum ruptured by rucking, crushing a testicle. He played the rest of the game! NO WAY would you get that now! This was within the rules at the time. Nowadays, that would be a penalty and possibly more.

Ultimately, I'm saying I agree with your point.

[Osiris]

[img]http://i34.tinypic.com/nv8q3s.jpg[/img]

That was a close call, but it looks he hit him with his helmet.
There was absolutely no need for this, they were on midfield!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

That's right [i]shoulder[/i] to the underside of the helmet, isn't it?

[funky141]

[quote]That's right shoulder to the underside of the helmet, isn't it? [/quote]

Watch the football......I think thats the real issue here. The ball was clearly 7 yards over 85 head and un catchable. Ocho-cinco didn't even put his arms up thus why I think the flag was thrown. If Cinco had his arms up and the ball was at his hands then maybe a clean hit.
Ray needs to see this and pull back.

[Flacco-the-Unitas]

I have to say that paranoia with refs conspiring against the ravens just because they are the ravens is unjustified. Everytime I watch a ravens game I go out of my way to be that fan that says "It's doesn't matter what the officials say, the ravens are good enough to pull through". I focus all of my energy on the positive outcome of the game because I am a most grateful fan when our team makes a HUGE play.

The officiating in the Bengals game was horrible in the last quarter. And it wasn't just the penalties-it was the calls they completely ignored as well. Catches made out of bounds considered in, balls spotted nowhere near their placement, holding ignored, etc. Is complaining about these calls going to cheer our team forward as they look to playing away against a vicious opponent? No, it won't.

Last week game I was able to say that the ref calls don't score points and a team just has to rise above it. This week, I'm forcing myself to do the same thing. It's tougher this week as the ref calls are blatantly terrible. They didn't even try to make a decent job of covering it up. I'm wondering what will be said on that "official review" show about these calls-or even if they have the gull to show them.

BUT the ref calls didn't stop the ravens from getting only 3 first downs before the Bengals had 10 in the first quarter. The ref calls didn't make the defensive guy (Carr??) fall over before the catch was made for the final TD. The ref calls didn't stop Washington from actually blocking the passer more than he actually did (there was one call but I'm talking about the whole game). I'm a Flacco fan myself BUT the calls didn't stop him from throwing to Mason once in a while which he didn't. The ravens looked stale out there, Flacco didn't move around at all, our receivers weren't getting open, and the offensive line gave Flacco MAYBE until 3 mississippi to throw the ball. Usually he was forced to throw it left because no one was open. The ravens know they have a lot of work to do to get their respect back and they will when they play the Vikings. I will experience a paramount game where the ravens play so hard that ref calls will become irrelevant. And Suggs even said they have to be such a good team that calls don't matter and a win can't be taken from us. If this wake-up game will propel the ravens to be this good, then go ravens!

[Ed_Reed20]

I'm not saying officiating was the reason the Ravens lost. The Bengals were the better team yesterday. Also, a lot of people say a team doesn't deserve to win if they put themselves in a position to allow the refs to change the game but after two weeks of watching poor officiating, that philosophy is B.S. in my opinion.

Consistency is what players and want from officials. If they decided not to call pass interference on Chad Johnson on the deep ball Foxworth almost intercepted, how could they call illegal touching on Foxworth for a little shove that barely threw Chad off on the same drive?

I didn't like the PI call on Walker but they decided to call it.

On 105.7, Bulldog just talked about Caldwell yanking Carr's facemask to get separation before catching his TD pass. I know it would've been tough to catch it but it happened, the refs missed it and it led to a TD.

Had the defensive line and offense played better or had Flacco made a better throw to Clayton deep down the sideline, none of this would matter. Still, I feel the calls need to be discussed.

[funky141]

Every play, every snap there is holding by someone. Its all in how its done that will get the penalty or not. Last week someone said leave no doubt, the Ravens did not this time.

[jschultz]

I only saw one replay of the game winning TD and it looked like the receiver bull rushed the defender and just bolled him over. Has anyone else been able to watch film of that play and can chime in on whether or not it was offensive interference?